1 pc of matl = 2 seperate parts [Reverse assembly]

I went 'round and 'round with tech support on this issue. At one
point the Job Parts tab in labor entry did not function but I
beleive they got it going. It has been a while but if I recall
correctly, the salvage part you receive into stock does not carry
any of the labor or burden costs with it - they all hit the part
created by the job only - which is not good.

We will engineer parts to backflush only the amount that each part
will actually consume. We engineer the 9'part# - it consumes 40%,
we engineer the 11' part#, it consumes 60%. (9' + 11' = 20' raw mtl)

When demand is created for the 9 footers, someone has to be wary
enough to create a job for 11 footers (same qty), then batch them
together.

When you record the labor, go to the LABOR>JOB PARTS tab and you
should see 2 lines, one for each part that you batched together. It
is asking you to input the qty of 9' and the qty of 11' parts you
created on the batched job, which then is cumulative to the total
qty field on the LABOR>DETAIL tab.

This will spread the labor, mtl & burden to each part.
We have an upside down BOM to create. Basically, we need to take a
single piece of material and make 2 separate parts out of it (typically,
Right & Left for example). BOMs are designed in version 6.1 to work the
opposite. I believe I have seen this functionality in version 8.0, but,
as far as I know, this is not available in 6.1



We have run into this in the past. How we handled it was to setup the
BOM for one of the two part numbers, create a job for that part number,
ship that part number, change the job's part number to the other part
number, and ship the second part.



How have others dealt with this? Maybe, as a Salvaged Material?





Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester <http://www.knappe-koester.com/>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@...





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It does work in 8.0, but not in 6.1

Another way in 6.1 would to have one of the parts as a subassembly and receive the subassembly into stock seperately

You could overrun the subassembly yo get your demand to stock

Gary Parfrey

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Bruce Butler
Sent: Fri 07/07/2006 20:15
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Nick Kuffel; Lisa Ricci
Subject: [Vantage] 1 pc of matl = 2 seperate parts [Reverse assembly]



We have an upside down BOM to create. Basically, we need to take a
single piece of material and make 2 separate parts out of it (typically,
Right & Left for example). BOMs are designed in version 6.1 to work the
opposite. I believe I have seen this functionality in version 8.0, but,
as far as I know, this is not available in 6.1

We have run into this in the past. How we handled it was to setup the
BOM for one of the two part numbers, create a job for that part number,
ship that part number, change the job's part number to the other part
number, and ship the second part.

How have others dealt with this? Maybe, as a Salvaged Material?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester <http://www.knappe-koester.com/ <http://www.knappe-koester.com/> >

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>

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In Vantage 6.1 I would consider making a separate job for each co-product
part but I would override the job numbering default by adding the suffix L
to the first job number and manually number the second with the same job
number but suffixed with a R. The BOM's for both jobs xxxxxxL and xxxxxxR
would be identical for a left and right co-product so their production ratio
is 1:1. In this situation Vantage's policy of splitting the collected labor
equally will work just fine. If the co-products are produced at a ration
other than 1:1 (say 1:2 or 1:2:4 for 3 co-products) I would consider back
flushing labor on all but one co-product, then doing a labor adjustment on
the data collection job.



Steve Ashton





-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce Butler
Sent: July 7, 2006 3:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Nick Kuffel; Lisa Ricci
Subject: [Vantage] 1 pc of matl = 2 seperate parts [Reverse assembly]



We have an upside down BOM to create. Basically, we need to take a
single piece of material and make 2 separate parts out of it (typically,
Right & Left for example). BOMs are designed in version 6.1 to work the
opposite. I believe I have seen this functionality in version 8.0, but,
as far as I know, this is not available in 6.1

We have run into this in the past. How we handled it was to setup the
BOM for one of the two part numbers, create a job for that part number,
ship that part number, change the job's part number to the other part
number, and ship the second part.

How have others dealt with this? Maybe, as a Salvaged Material?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester <http://www.knappe- <http://www.knappe-koester.com/>
koester.com/>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@knappe- <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com> koester.com

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The similar job numbers described previously will give visibility to need to
pair-up the jobs in the production. I'd add header comments to instruct
operators not to run one job with-out the other(s) and operation comments on
how to do the data collection.



Hope this helps



Steve Ashton



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Ashton
Sent: July 7, 2006 10:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 1 pc of matl = 2 seperate parts [Reverse assembly]



In Vantage 6.1 I would consider making a separate job for each co-product
part but I would override the job numbering default by adding the suffix L
to the first job number and manually number the second with the same job
number but suffixed with a R. The BOM's for both jobs xxxxxxL and xxxxxxR
would be identical for a left and right co-product so their production ratio
is 1:1. In this situation Vantage's policy of splitting the collected labor
equally will work just fine. If the co-products are produced at a ration
other than 1:1 (say 1:2 or 1:2:4 for 3 co-products) I would consider back
flushing labor on all but one co-product, then doing a labor adjustment on
the data collection job.

Steve Ashton

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From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
Bruce Butler
Sent: July 7, 2006 3:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Cc: Nick Kuffel; Lisa Ricci
Subject: [Vantage] 1 pc of matl = 2 seperate parts [Reverse assembly]

We have an upside down BOM to create. Basically, we need to take a
single piece of material and make 2 separate parts out of it (typically,
Right & Left for example). BOMs are designed in version 6.1 to work the
opposite. I believe I have seen this functionality in version 8.0, but,
as far as I know, this is not available in 6.1

We have run into this in the past. How we handled it was to setup the
BOM for one of the two part numbers, create a job for that part number,
ship that part number, change the job's part number to the other part
number, and ship the second part.

How have others dealt with this? Maybe, as a Salvaged Material?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester <http://www.knappe- <http://www.knappe-
<http://www.knappe-koester.com/> koester.com/>
koester.com/>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@knappe- <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com> koester.com

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I don't have access to the system right now, but I am almost certain
that in 6.1 the Salvaged Material cannot be valued higher than the
original material. If one of the two finished goods is much cheaper
than the other, Salvaged Material would be an easy way to go. It
can pull the costs off the job as long as the costs removed doesn't
exceed the most expensive material (salvaged material has to be tied
to a material number).

As a side note, if the two seperate parts (Right and Left) are
normally used together, create a part number for the pair. If you
on occassion need just a right, you then could issue the pair to the
job requiring the right and salvage the left since it would be half
the value of the pair. You could follow the same path even if the
Right and Left are never used together. You have Job A for Pair,
Job B for Right with Left set as the Salvaged Material. Depending
on the situation, it might be easier to track the costs than the
Parallel Jobs option.

Last idea: If Right and Left are of equal value, create a new part
number for the Pair and create lot numbers for Right and Left. If
you want 10 Rights and 10 Lefts, Job A is for 10 Pairs: 5 into Lot
Right and 5 into Lot Left. When needed, issue 0.5 of Pair and pick
the correct lot.


Michael Randolph
Infinity Business Consulting
mrandolph@...


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Butler" <bbutler@...> wrote:
>
> We have an upside down BOM to create. Basically, we need to take a
> single piece of material and make 2 separate parts out of it
(typically,
> Right & Left for example). BOMs are designed in version 6.1 to
work the
> opposite. I believe I have seen this functionality in version
8.0, but,
> as far as I know, this is not available in 6.1
>
>
>
> We have run into this in the past. How we handled it was to setup
the
> BOM for one of the two part numbers, create a job for that part
number,
> ship that part number, change the job's part number to the other
part
> number, and ship the second part.
>
>
>
> How have others dealt with this? Maybe, as a Salvaged Material?
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester <http://www.knappe-koester.com/>
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@...
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Bruce,
One of the other options that I have not seen is using salvage parts. You
can assign the costs and such. The major problem is it's not as easy to
handle on the floor.
Basically you create a job for Right, and add a salvage part of Left. Once
you have created all the Right parts with the job, salvage the Left parts
from the job, then either ship the Right from the job, or rec. to stock.
Then ship the Left parts from stock and you are golden.
It's not as clean as could be, but it should work.
Good luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Bruce Butler
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Nick Kuffel; Lisa Ricci
Subject: [Vantage] 1 pc of matl = 2 seperate parts [Reverse assembly]


We have an upside down BOM to create. Basically, we need to take a
single piece of material and make 2 separate parts out of it (typically,
Right & Left for example). BOMs are designed in version 6.1 to work the
opposite. I believe I have seen this functionality in version 8.0, but,
as far as I know, this is not available in 6.1

We have run into this in the past. How we handled it was to setup the
BOM for one of the two part numbers, create a job for that part number,
ship that part number, change the job's part number to the other part
number, and ship the second part.

How have others dealt with this? Maybe, as a Salvaged Material?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester <http://www.knappe-koester.com/>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@...

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