[6.1] byproduct manufactuting

We have the same manufacturing scenario where we do by-products/co-products as our SOP- We do a sales order jobs (3999-9-9 numbered jobs with one set of actions for the finished product and we have independent one off jobs (1000 numbered jobs where we use Vantage to sequentially generate the numbers for us) that we have to tie back into operations on the sales order jobs. You can either do jobs to receive into the sales order jobs or opt to build the second set of jobs to inventory and then issue the by-product/co-product from inventory into the sales order jobs to mate into the finished product step as a material requirement. The trick here is to schedule and link these jobs with each other and will require the production mgr to keep a tight rein on jobs in the air at any given time. Its a challenge for us now and we are looking to optimize this process further.


----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Smith <CSmith@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:35:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

My only suggestion in these matters has always been to run the 2 jobs
(or subassemblies) parallel. An example is a right and left from the
same material at the same time followed by the mating of the parts. Assy
1 makes the right. Assy 2 makes the left and assy 0 puts them together.
Each Assy has its own part ID (1234L and 1234R go into making 1234) and
MOM. The Stamping ops J9876/1/10 and J9876/2/10 are clocked in and run
together. The assembly op (J9876/0/10) mates the two parts.

It's the only solution I have ever been able to come up with.

Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant .com <http://www.vistacon sultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

The issue comes up every so often: 2 parts are manufactured out of one
piece of raw stock. This time it is a situation where one part is the
mating part for another. The limitation I run into is the job can only
be setup with one part number. I looked at the "salvage" material for
answers, but this doesn't fit the bill. That seems to work only for Raw
stock / material items.

Any suggestions?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe- koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

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The issue comes up every so often: 2 parts are manufactured out of one
piece of raw stock. This time it is a situation where one part is the
mating part for another. The limitation I run into is the job can only
be setup with one part number. I looked at the "salvage" material for
answers, but this doesn't fit the bill. That seems to work only for Raw
stock / material items.



Any suggestions?



Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@...



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In Vantage 8.0 they have added the advanced production module, you can
have multiple finished parts on the job header. I do not think it is
available in 6.1 though?



Salvage doesn't quite work because you can only have one salvage part
per material





Gary Parfrey

Dot Net IT Limited, Reg No 4412519

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: 30 August 2007 13:13
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting



The issue comes up every so often: 2 parts are manufactured out of one
piece of raw stock. This time it is a situation where one part is the
mating part for another. The limitation I run into is the job can only
be setup with one part number. I looked at the "salvage" material for
answers, but this doesn't fit the bill. That seems to work only for Raw
stock / material items.

Any suggestions?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>

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My only suggestion in these matters has always been to run the 2 jobs
(or subassemblies) parallel. An example is a right and left from the
same material at the same time followed by the mating of the parts. Assy
1 makes the right. Assy 2 makes the left and assy 0 puts them together.
Each Assy has its own part ID (1234L and 1234R go into making 1234) and
MOM. The Stamping ops J9876/1/10 and J9876/2/10 are clocked in and run
together. The assembly op (J9876/0/10) mates the two parts.



It's the only solution I have ever been able to come up with.



Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting



The issue comes up every so often: 2 parts are manufactured out of one
piece of raw stock. This time it is a situation where one part is the
mating part for another. The limitation I run into is the job can only
be setup with one part number. I looked at the "salvage" material for
answers, but this doesn't fit the bill. That seems to work only for Raw
stock / material items.

Any suggestions?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>

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Gary, I just saw your response on this. we are on V8 and I am not sure if we have APS or not- how can you tell?
I'm curious can you elaborate further on how you do multiple finished parts on the job header?
Thx
RSN

----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Parfrey <garyp@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:22:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

In Vantage 8.0 they have added the advanced production module, you can
have multiple finished parts on the job header. I do not think it is
available in 6.1 though?

Salvage doesn't quite work because you can only have one salvage part
per material

Gary Parfrey

Dot Net IT Limited, Reg No 4412519

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: 30 August 2007 13:13
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

The issue comes up every so often: 2 parts are manufactured out of one
piece of raw stock. This time it is a situation where one part is the
mating part for another. The limitation I run into is the job can only
be setup with one part number. I looked at the "salvage" material for
answers, but this doesn't fit the bill. That seems to work only for Raw
stock / material items.

Any suggestions?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe- koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@knappe- koester.com <mailto:bbutler% 40knappe- koester.com>

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Its not APS (Advanced Production and Scheduling), its Advanced
production.



If you look in Vantage Admin tool, under your license configuration it
is in there under 'Advanced Production'. It will tell you whether it is
installed or not. Or look at your license document and look for the
same.



The module does job parts and the ability to batch operations and the
like.

Gary

Dot Net IT Limited, Reg No 4412519

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of RSN
Sent: 06 September 2007 23:43
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting



Gary, I just saw your response on this. we are on V8 and I am not sure
if we have APS or not- how can you tell?
I'm curious can you elaborate further on how you do multiple finished
parts on the job header?
Thx
RSN

----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Parfrey <garyp@... <mailto:garyp%40dotnetit.co.uk>
>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:22:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

In Vantage 8.0 they have added the advanced production module, you can
have multiple finished parts on the job header. I do not think it is
available in 6.1 though?

Salvage doesn't quite work because you can only have one salvage part
per material

Gary Parfrey

Dot Net IT Limited, Reg No 4412519

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: 30 August 2007 13:13
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

The issue comes up every so often: 2 parts are manufactured out of one
piece of raw stock. This time it is a situation where one part is the
mating part for another. The limitation I run into is the job can only
be setup with one part number. I looked at the "salvage" material for
answers, but this doesn't fit the bill. That seems to work only for Raw
stock / material items.

Any suggestions?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe- koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@knappe- koester.com <mailto:bbutler% 40knappe- koester.com>

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I believe, in v6 you can salvage more than one part per material on a
manual basis. However, this cannot be defined in the MOM/BOM and is
quite messy from a procedural point of view. Also there are some cost
restrictions on this through the salvage process. Depending on your
costing model it could cause problems.

As an aside, the salvage process does not include a serial number
tracking/entry. This has to be done through part maintenance.



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Parfrey" <garyp@...> wrote:
>
> In Vantage 8.0 they have added the advanced production module, you
can
> have multiple finished parts on the job header. I do not think it
is
> available in 6.1 though?
>
>
>
> Salvage doesn't quite work because you can only have one salvage
part
> per material
>
>
>
>
>
> Gary Parfrey
>
> Dot Net IT Limited, Reg No 4412519
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Bruce Butler
> Sent: 30 August 2007 13:13
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting
>
>
>
> The issue comes up every so often: 2 parts are manufactured out of
one
> piece of raw stock. This time it is a situation where one part is
the
> mating part for another. The limitation I run into is the job can
only
> be setup with one part number. I looked at the "salvage" material
for
> answers, but this doesn't fit the bill. That seems to work only for
Raw
> stock / material items.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com>
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
>
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and
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ok- so we don't have it. So how is it possible to do multiple parts at the job header. can you send me a snapshot of what the job header screen looks like for you.
thank you
RSN


----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Parfrey <garyp@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2007 4:59:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

Its not APS (Advanced Production and Scheduling), its Advanced
production.

If you look in Vantage Admin tool, under your license configuration it
is in there under 'Advanced Production'. It will tell you whether it is
installed or not. Or look at your license document and look for the
same.

The module does job parts and the ability to batch operations and the
like.

Gary

Dot Net IT Limited, Reg No 4412519

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of RSN
Sent: 06 September 2007 23:43
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

Gary, I just saw your response on this. we are on V8 and I am not sure
if we have APS or not- how can you tell?
I'm curious can you elaborate further on how you do multiple finished
parts on the job header?
Thx
RSN

----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Parfrey <garyp@dotnetit. co.uk <mailto:garyp% 40dotnetit. co.uk>
>
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:22:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

In Vantage 8.0 they have added the advanced production module, you can
have multiple finished parts on the job header. I do not think it is
available in 6.1 though?

Salvage doesn't quite work because you can only have one salvage part
per material

Gary Parfrey

Dot Net IT Limited, Reg No 4412519

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@ yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
Of Bruce Butler
Sent: 30 August 2007 13:13
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] [6.1] byproduct manufactuting

The issue comes up every so often: 2 parts are manufactured out of one
piece of raw stock. This time it is a situation where one part is the
mating part for another. The limitation I run into is the job can only
be setup with one part number. I looked at the "salvage" material for
answers, but this doesn't fit the bill. That seems to work only for Raw
stock / material items.

Any suggestions?

Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe- koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@knappe- koester.com <mailto:bbutler% 40knappe- koester.com>

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