6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned

Same here.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lee Henderson
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned



I don't know what you could be talking about, but we didn't face any
charges to upgrade from 6.X upwards to 8.03.4XX. We also did the
upgrades with in-house staff and the media supplied by Epicor.

We have always been current on our maintenance though, since purchase.

Lee Henderson

On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:55 PM, brucewbrannan wrote:

> Todd,
>
> The $10K is listed as...
>
> Vantage Core Module
> Vantage Advanced Production
>
> I don't remember the exact terminology used (phone conversation), but
> when we discovered this fee we were told it was due to enhanced/new
> technology added to the core system, that was not in prior versions.
> And all along I'd been saying, "The upgrade is free, it's covered in
> our maintenance fees." At least that's how it's been in the past.
> Made me look stupid. 8^)
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > "2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
> > discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement."
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> > Please tell me more about this. What "new technology" is not
> covered by the maintenance fees? I can 100% gaurantee if there is
> any additional cost (form Epicor) to upgrade to 8.x it will never
> happen here. We will stay on 6.1 until the day we need a new
> system...and probably also drop maintenance until then. I hope this
> is not the case but that's the reality of our ownership's attitude
> toward Epicor's continual revenue hounding from the exiting customer
> base. Not talking about new modules or if "we" decide to get a
> consultant involved....just things that are supposed to be covered by
> the maintenance agreement.
> >
> > As for the DB conversion steps....when (if) we upgrade we will
> start from scratch with a clean database and maybe buy Service
> Connect to automate loading a few tables. I guess that would be "new
> technology" if that's what you had to pay for.
> >
> > -Todd C.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of brucewbrannan
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:51 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned
> >
> >
> > We're still trying to get 6.1 upgraded to 8.03.404 (week-long
> > process). I'll share some of the obstacles we've encountered during
> > the upgrade and hopefully it will make your upgrade easier.
> >
> > 1. If you are running 6.1 and buy the 8.03.400 upgrade you will only
> > get the install CDs and codes for 8.03.400 and OpenEdge 10.1b. You
> > will have to request the install CDs for 8.00 and the codes for
> > OpenEdge 10.0b.
> >
> > 2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
> > discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement.
> >
> > 3. In order to upgrade from 6.1 to 8.03.404 you will have to perform
> > the first upgrade from 6.1 to 8.00, and then upgrade from 8.00 to
> > 8.03.404.
> >
> > 4. If you are installing the test upgrade on a new server you will
> > need your 6.1 CDs so you can install Progress 9.1d. This process is
> > documented in the 8.00 install notes, Appendix H.
> >
> > 5. 8.03 will run on Win2003 Server x64 but 9.1d will not (as
> discussed
> > in another post). Do the upgrades on a PC/Server with XP or Win2003
> > Standard. I'm using a Windows XP workstation.
> >
> > 6. Once you get 6.1 upgraded to 8.00 the next (sort of documented)
> > step is to upgrade the database to 8.03.4XX. Here's the process to
> do
> > that...
> > 1) Backup the 8.0 db using probkup
> > 2) Copy the backup to the mfgsy803\db
> > 3) Delete or move the existing files in the db folder
> > 4) Prorest the db with the 10.0B tool
> > 5) Truncate the bi using the 10.0B tool
> > 6) Truncate the bi using the 10.1B tool
> > 7) Run the Schema Change and conversions
> >
> > For #6, I found some detailed steps in the "Manufacturing Install
> > Progress_MSG803" document under the 8.03 documentation on the
> website.
> > https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%
<https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%25>
> > 20Progress_MSG803.pdf. These aren't the exact steps but can be used
> in
> > conjunction with the 1-7 steps in #6.
> >
> > This is as far as we've gotten. Right now I'm waiting on the
> OpenEdge
> > 10.0b install codes but we are close to getting 8.03.404 running.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
We're still trying to get 6.1 upgraded to 8.03.404 (week-long
process). I'll share some of the obstacles we've encountered during
the upgrade and hopefully it will make your upgrade easier.

1. If you are running 6.1 and buy the 8.03.400 upgrade you will only
get the install CDs and codes for 8.03.400 and OpenEdge 10.1b. You
will have to request the install CDs for 8.00 and the codes for
OpenEdge 10.0b.

2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement.

3. In order to upgrade from 6.1 to 8.03.404 you will have to perform
the first upgrade from 6.1 to 8.00, and then upgrade from 8.00 to
8.03.404.

4. If you are installing the test upgrade on a new server you will
need your 6.1 CDs so you can install Progress 9.1d. This process is
documented in the 8.00 install notes, Appendix H.

5. 8.03 will run on Win2003 Server x64 but 9.1d will not (as discussed
in another post). Do the upgrades on a PC/Server with XP or Win2003
Standard. I'm using a Windows XP workstation.

6. Once you get 6.1 upgraded to 8.00 the next (sort of documented)
step is to upgrade the database to 8.03.4XX. Here's the process to do
that...
1) Backup the 8.0 db using probkup
2) Copy the backup to the mfgsy803\db
3) Delete or move the existing files in the db folder
4) Prorest the db with the 10.0B tool
5) Truncate the bi using the 10.0B tool
6) Truncate the bi using the 10.1B tool
7) Run the Schema Change and conversions

For #6, I found some detailed steps in the "Manufacturing Install
Progress_MSG803" document under the 8.03 documentation on the website.
https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%
20Progress_MSG803.pdf. These aren't the exact steps but can be used in
conjunction with the 1-7 steps in #6.

This is as far as we've gotten. Right now I'm waiting on the OpenEdge
10.0b install codes but we are close to getting 8.03.404 running.
----------------------------------------------------------
"2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement."
--------------------------------------

Please tell me more about this. What "new technology" is not covered by the maintenance fees? I can 100% gaurantee if there is any additional cost (form Epicor) to upgrade to 8.x it will never happen here. We will stay on 6.1 until the day we need a new system...and probably also drop maintenance until then. I hope this is not the case but that's the reality of our ownership's attitude toward Epicor's continual revenue hounding from the exiting customer base. Not talking about new modules or if "we" decide to get a consultant involved....just things that are supposed to be covered by the maintenance agreement.

As for the DB conversion steps....when (if) we upgrade we will start from scratch with a clean database and maybe buy Service Connect to automate loading a few tables. I guess that would be "new technology" if that's what you had to pay for.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brucewbrannan
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned


We're still trying to get 6.1 upgraded to 8.03.404 (week-long
process). I'll share some of the obstacles we've encountered during
the upgrade and hopefully it will make your upgrade easier.

1. If you are running 6.1 and buy the 8.03.400 upgrade you will only
get the install CDs and codes for 8.03.400 and OpenEdge 10.1b. You
will have to request the install CDs for 8.00 and the codes for
OpenEdge 10.0b.

2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement.

3. In order to upgrade from 6.1 to 8.03.404 you will have to perform
the first upgrade from 6.1 to 8.00, and then upgrade from 8.00 to
8.03.404.

4. If you are installing the test upgrade on a new server you will
need your 6.1 CDs so you can install Progress 9.1d. This process is
documented in the 8.00 install notes, Appendix H.

5. 8.03 will run on Win2003 Server x64 but 9.1d will not (as discussed
in another post). Do the upgrades on a PC/Server with XP or Win2003
Standard. I'm using a Windows XP workstation.

6. Once you get 6.1 upgraded to 8.00 the next (sort of documented)
step is to upgrade the database to 8.03.4XX. Here's the process to do
that...
1) Backup the 8.0 db using probkup
2) Copy the backup to the mfgsy803\db
3) Delete or move the existing files in the db folder
4) Prorest the db with the 10.0B tool
5) Truncate the bi using the 10.0B tool
6) Truncate the bi using the 10.1B tool
7) Run the Schema Change and conversions

For #6, I found some detailed steps in the "Manufacturing Install
Progress_MSG803" document under the 8.03 documentation on the website.
https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%
20Progress_MSG803.pdf. These aren't the exact steps but can be used in
conjunction with the 1-7 steps in #6.

This is as far as we've gotten. Right now I'm waiting on the OpenEdge
10.0b install codes but we are close to getting 8.03.404 running.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I was confused by this too, but we went from 6.0-8.0 a while back. I
don't see how they'd charge you for this...but you never know.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:17 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned



----------------------------------------------------------
"2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement."
--------------------------------------

Please tell me more about this. What "new technology" is not covered by
the maintenance fees? I can 100% gaurantee if there is any additional
cost (form Epicor) to upgrade to 8.x it will never happen here. We will
stay on 6.1 until the day we need a new system...and probably also drop
maintenance until then. I hope this is not the case but that's the
reality of our ownership's attitude toward Epicor's continual revenue
hounding from the exiting customer base. Not talking about new modules
or if "we" decide to get a consultant involved....just things that are
supposed to be covered by the maintenance agreement.

As for the DB conversion steps....when (if) we upgrade we will start
from scratch with a clean database and maybe buy Service Connect to
automate loading a few tables. I guess that would be "new technology" if
that's what you had to pay for.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of brucewbrannan
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned

We're still trying to get 6.1 upgraded to 8.03.404 (week-long
process). I'll share some of the obstacles we've encountered during
the upgrade and hopefully it will make your upgrade easier.

1. If you are running 6.1 and buy the 8.03.400 upgrade you will only
get the install CDs and codes for 8.03.400 and OpenEdge 10.1b. You
will have to request the install CDs for 8.00 and the codes for
OpenEdge 10.0b.

2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement.

3. In order to upgrade from 6.1 to 8.03.404 you will have to perform
the first upgrade from 6.1 to 8.00, and then upgrade from 8.00 to
8.03.404.

4. If you are installing the test upgrade on a new server you will
need your 6.1 CDs so you can install Progress 9.1d. This process is
documented in the 8.00 install notes, Appendix H.

5. 8.03 will run on Win2003 Server x64 but 9.1d will not (as discussed
in another post). Do the upgrades on a PC/Server with XP or Win2003
Standard. I'm using a Windows XP workstation.

6. Once you get 6.1 upgraded to 8.00 the next (sort of documented)
step is to upgrade the database to 8.03.4XX. Here's the process to do
that...
1) Backup the 8.0 db using probkup
2) Copy the backup to the mfgsy803\db
3) Delete or move the existing files in the db folder
4) Prorest the db with the 10.0B tool
5) Truncate the bi using the 10.0B tool
6) Truncate the bi using the 10.1B tool
7) Run the Schema Change and conversions

For #6, I found some detailed steps in the "Manufacturing Install
Progress_MSG803" document under the 8.03 documentation on the website.
https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%
<https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%25>
20Progress_MSG803.pdf. These aren't the exact steps but can be used in
conjunction with the 1-7 steps in #6.

This is as far as we've gotten. Right now I'm waiting on the OpenEdge
10.0b install codes but we are close to getting 8.03.404 running.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Todd,

The $10K is listed as...

Vantage Core Module
Vantage Advanced Production

I don't remember the exact terminology used (phone conversation), but
when we discovered this fee we were told it was due to enhanced/new
technology added to the core system, that was not in prior versions.
And all along I'd been saying, "The upgrade is free, it's covered in
our maintenance fees." At least that's how it's been in the past.
Made me look stupid. 8^)

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> "2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
> discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement."
> --------------------------------------
>
> Please tell me more about this. What "new technology" is not
covered by the maintenance fees? I can 100% gaurantee if there is
any additional cost (form Epicor) to upgrade to 8.x it will never
happen here. We will stay on 6.1 until the day we need a new
system...and probably also drop maintenance until then. I hope this
is not the case but that's the reality of our ownership's attitude
toward Epicor's continual revenue hounding from the exiting customer
base. Not talking about new modules or if "we" decide to get a
consultant involved....just things that are supposed to be covered by
the maintenance agreement.
>
> As for the DB conversion steps....when (if) we upgrade we will
start from scratch with a clean database and maybe buy Service
Connect to automate loading a few tables. I guess that would be "new
technology" if that's what you had to pay for.
>
> -Todd C.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of brucewbrannan
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:51 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned
>
>
> We're still trying to get 6.1 upgraded to 8.03.404 (week-long
> process). I'll share some of the obstacles we've encountered during
> the upgrade and hopefully it will make your upgrade easier.
>
> 1. If you are running 6.1 and buy the 8.03.400 upgrade you will only
> get the install CDs and codes for 8.03.400 and OpenEdge 10.1b. You
> will have to request the install CDs for 8.00 and the codes for
> OpenEdge 10.0b.
>
> 2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
> discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement.
>
> 3. In order to upgrade from 6.1 to 8.03.404 you will have to perform
> the first upgrade from 6.1 to 8.00, and then upgrade from 8.00 to
> 8.03.404.
>
> 4. If you are installing the test upgrade on a new server you will
> need your 6.1 CDs so you can install Progress 9.1d. This process is
> documented in the 8.00 install notes, Appendix H.
>
> 5. 8.03 will run on Win2003 Server x64 but 9.1d will not (as
discussed
> in another post). Do the upgrades on a PC/Server with XP or Win2003
> Standard. I'm using a Windows XP workstation.
>
> 6. Once you get 6.1 upgraded to 8.00 the next (sort of documented)
> step is to upgrade the database to 8.03.4XX. Here's the process to
do
> that...
> 1) Backup the 8.0 db using probkup
> 2) Copy the backup to the mfgsy803\db
> 3) Delete or move the existing files in the db folder
> 4) Prorest the db with the 10.0B tool
> 5) Truncate the bi using the 10.0B tool
> 6) Truncate the bi using the 10.1B tool
> 7) Run the Schema Change and conversions
>
> For #6, I found some detailed steps in the "Manufacturing Install
> Progress_MSG803" document under the 8.03 documentation on the
website.
> https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%
> 20Progress_MSG803.pdf. These aren't the exact steps but can be used
in
> conjunction with the 1-7 steps in #6.
>
> This is as far as we've gotten. Right now I'm waiting on the
OpenEdge
> 10.0b install codes but we are close to getting 8.03.404 running.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
We upgraded from 6.1 to 8.0 eight months ago and were on 8.0 up until 3
weeks ago.

I had no out of pocket upgrade costs other than my time plus the cost of
our annual maintenance.



First and foremost practice your conversion procedure. I ran three 8.0
to 8.03.305 and 8.03.305 to 8.04.403 conversions prior to the live
conversion. Though the documentation is sufficiently accurate there are
some gotchas - particularly if you're also converting to Unicode utf-8
codepage.



I used a 3 server method:

1. 8.0 production server
2. 8.03.305 OE10.0B test server used only for converting from 8.0
to 8.03.305
3. 8.03.403 OE10.1B test server to test the procedure and for
training



Once I had a solid procedure and a very accurate time window for
completing the conversion -- probacked the data from the 8.0 server to
the 8.03.305 server and began the conversion. As the first conversion
was running I began updating the original production server to OE 10.1B
and 8.03.403.



Note: we have 40 full licenses and 55 MES licenses installed on 120
workstations. We pre-installed (2 months ahead) .Net 3.0 and the Crystal
XI R2 on the workstations with no compatibility issues with the existing
.Net 2.0 and Crystal XI - this was a HUGE time saver for the client
installs!



Once the initial conversion to 8.03.305 was complete I was able to now
run the final conversion to 8.03.403 on our freshly updated production
server. At this point my System Administrator came in and completed the
client installs in less than 5 hours.



I probably could have completed the entire process in one day but took a
leisurely 1.5 days.



NOTE: I'd build in an extra 3-5 hours for a Dump & Load. Even having run
the 3 trial conversions and the live conversions all flawlessly we
discovered a number of 'orphaned record locks' that appear as "the
record has been modified by another user - please refresh before saving"
had I been aware I would have preformed the Dump & Load as a post
8.03.403 conversion step.



Email me if you have any questions regarding the conversion.



Regards, Lee Ingalls

Commercial Tool Group

lee.ingalls@...

Epicor customer since 1999 -- versions 3x, 5.2, 6.1, 8.0.810a, 8.03.404





________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of brucewbrannan
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned



We're still trying to get 6.1 upgraded to 8.03.404 (week-long
process). I'll share some of the obstacles we've encountered during
the upgrade and hopefully it will make your upgrade easier.

1. If you are running 6.1 and buy the 8.03.400 upgrade you will only
get the install CDs and codes for 8.03.400 and OpenEdge 10.1b. You
will have to request the install CDs for 8.00 and the codes for
OpenEdge 10.0b.

2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement.

3. In order to upgrade from 6.1 to 8.03.404 you will have to perform
the first upgrade from 6.1 to 8.00, and then upgrade from 8.00 to
8.03.404.

4. If you are installing the test upgrade on a new server you will
need your 6.1 CDs so you can install Progress 9.1d. This process is
documented in the 8.00 install notes, Appendix H.

5. 8.03 will run on Win2003 Server x64 but 9.1d will not (as discussed
in another post). Do the upgrades on a PC/Server with XP or Win2003
Standard. I'm using a Windows XP workstation.

6. Once you get 6.1 upgraded to 8.00 the next (sort of documented)
step is to upgrade the database to 8.03.4XX. Here's the process to do
that...
1) Backup the 8.0 db using probkup
2) Copy the backup to the mfgsy803\db
3) Delete or move the existing files in the db folder
4) Prorest the db with the 10.0B tool
5) Truncate the bi using the 10.0B tool
6) Truncate the bi using the 10.1B tool
7) Run the Schema Change and conversions

For #6, I found some detailed steps in the "Manufacturing Install
Progress_MSG803" document under the 8.03 documentation on the website.
https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%
<https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%25>
20Progress_MSG803.pdf. These aren't the exact steps but can be used in
conjunction with the 1-7 steps in #6.

This is as far as we've gotten. Right now I'm waiting on the OpenEdge
10.0b install codes but we are close to getting 8.03.404 running.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sounds similar to moving from 8.0 to 8.03.
Adding the credit card features, which are now considered CORE to a new 803 customer requires what they term "activation fee".
Apparently, Epicor ustifies this by charging a new customer a higher "core" cost.

Carey


To: vantage@yahoogroups.comFrom: bruce.brannan@...: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:55:51 +0000Subject: [Vantage] Re: 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned




Todd,The $10K is listed as...Vantage Core ModuleVantage Advanced ProductionI don't remember the exact terminology used (phone conversation), but when we discovered this fee we were told it was due to enhanced/new technology added to the core system, that was not in prior versions. And all along I'd been saying, "The upgrade is free, it's covered in our maintenance fees." At least that's how it's been in the past. Made me look stupid. 8^)--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:>> ----------------------------------------------------------> "2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't> discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement."> --------------------------------------> > Please tell me more about this. What "new technology" is not covered by the maintenance fees? I can 100% gaurantee if there is any additional cost (form Epicor) to upgrade to 8.x it will never happen here. We will stay on 6.1 until the day we need a new system...and probably also drop maintenance until then. I hope this is not the case but that's the reality of our ownership's attitude toward Epicor's continual revenue hounding from the exiting customer base. Not talking about new modules or if "we" decide to get a consultant involved....just things that are supposed to be covered by the maintenance agreement.> > As for the DB conversion steps....when (if) we upgrade we will start from scratch with a clean database and maybe buy Service Connect to automate loading a few tables. I guess that would be "new technology" if that's what you had to pay for.> > -Todd C.> > ________________________________> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brucewbrannan> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:51 AM> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned> > > We're still trying to get 6.1 upgraded to 8.03.404 (week-long> process). I'll share some of the obstacles we've encountered during> the upgrade and hopefully it will make your upgrade easier.> > 1. If you are running 6.1 and buy the 8.03.400 upgrade you will only> get the install CDs and codes for 8.03.400 and OpenEdge 10.1b. You> will have to request the install CDs for 8.00 and the codes for> OpenEdge 10.0b.> > 2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't> discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement.> > 3. In order to upgrade from 6.1 to 8.03.404 you will have to perform> the first upgrade from 6.1 to 8.00, and then upgrade from 8.00 to> 8.03.404.> > 4. If you are installing the test upgrade on a new server you will> need your 6.1 CDs so you can install Progress 9.1d. This process is> documented in the 8.00 install notes, Appendix H.> > 5. 8.03 will run on Win2003 Server x64 but 9.1d will not (as discussed> in another post). Do the upgrades on a PC/Server with XP or Win2003> Standard. I'm using a Windows XP workstation.> > 6. Once you get 6.1 upgraded to 8.00 the next (sort of documented)> step is to upgrade the database to 8.03.4XX. Here's the process to do> that...> 1) Backup the 8.0 db using probkup> 2) Copy the backup to the mfgsy803\db> 3) Delete or move the existing files in the db folder> 4) Prorest the db with the 10.0B tool> 5) Truncate the bi using the 10.0B tool> 6) Truncate the bi using the 10.1B tool> 7) Run the Schema Change and conversions> > For #6, I found some detailed steps in the "Manufacturing Install> Progress_MSG803" document under the 8.03 documentation on the website.> https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%> 20Progress_MSG803.pdf. These aren't the exact steps but can be used in> conjunction with the 1-7 steps in #6.> > This is as far as we've gotten. Right now I'm waiting on the OpenEdge> 10.0b install codes but we are close to getting 8.03.404 running.> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>






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One other thing... in my list of AVAILABLE modules, advanced production is listed. So, it is apparently not core, and could be the reason for the increased cost.


To: vantage@yahoogroups.comFrom: bruce.brannan@...: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:55:51 +0000Subject: [Vantage] Re: 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned




Todd,The $10K is listed as...Vantage Core ModuleVantage Advanced ProductionI don't remember the exact terminology used (phone conversation), but when we discovered this fee we were told it was due to enhanced/new technology added to the core system, that was not in prior versions. And all along I'd been saying, "The upgrade is free, it's covered in our maintenance fees." At least that's how it's been in the past. Made me look stupid. 8^)--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:>> ----------------------------------------------------------> "2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't> discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement."> --------------------------------------> > Please tell me more about this. What "new technology" is not covered by the maintenance fees? I can 100% gaurantee if there is any additional cost (form Epicor) to upgrade to 8.x it will never happen here. We will stay on 6.1 until the day we need a new system...and probably also drop maintenance until then. I hope this is not the case but that's the reality of our ownership's attitude toward Epicor's continual revenue hounding from the exiting customer base. Not talking about new modules or if "we" decide to get a consultant involved....just things that are supposed to be covered by the maintenance agreement.> > As for the DB conversion steps....when (if) we upgrade we will start from scratch with a clean database and maybe buy Service Connect to automate loading a few tables. I guess that would be "new technology" if that's what you had to pay for.> > -Todd C.> > ________________________________> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brucewbrannan> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:51 AM> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned> > > We're still trying to get 6.1 upgraded to 8.03.404 (week-long> process). I'll share some of the obstacles we've encountered during> the upgrade and hopefully it will make your upgrade easier.> > 1. If you are running 6.1 and buy the 8.03.400 upgrade you will only> get the install CDs and codes for 8.03.400 and OpenEdge 10.1b. You> will have to request the install CDs for 8.00 and the codes for> OpenEdge 10.0b.> > 2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't> discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement.> > 3. In order to upgrade from 6.1 to 8.03.404 you will have to perform> the first upgrade from 6.1 to 8.00, and then upgrade from 8.00 to> 8.03.404.> > 4. If you are installing the test upgrade on a new server you will> need your 6.1 CDs so you can install Progress 9.1d. This process is> documented in the 8.00 install notes, Appendix H.> > 5. 8.03 will run on Win2003 Server x64 but 9.1d will not (as discussed> in another post). Do the upgrades on a PC/Server with XP or Win2003> Standard. I'm using a Windows XP workstation.> > 6. Once you get 6.1 upgraded to 8.00 the next (sort of documented)> step is to upgrade the database to 8.03.4XX. Here's the process to do> that...> 1) Backup the 8.0 db using probkup> 2) Copy the backup to the mfgsy803\db> 3) Delete or move the existing files in the db folder> 4) Prorest the db with the 10.0B tool> 5) Truncate the bi using the 10.0B tool> 6) Truncate the bi using the 10.1B tool> 7) Run the Schema Change and conversions> > For #6, I found some detailed steps in the "Manufacturing Install> Progress_MSG803" document under the 8.03 documentation on the website.> https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%> 20Progress_MSG803.pdf. These aren't the exact steps but can be used in> conjunction with the 1-7 steps in #6.> > This is as far as we've gotten. Right now I'm waiting on the OpenEdge> 10.0b install codes but we are close to getting 8.03.404 running.> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>






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Several Notes - The advanced Production Schedule is new and is different
from regular Vantage Scheduling - that's is where the probable 10K cost
is coming from.



We upgraded from 6.1 to 8.0 about 1 year ago and we still do have some
users who complain about what they could do in 6.1 that they can't do in
8.0. Although, as we become more experienced in the customization
features of 8.0, we are finding that we can replicate or find different
ways to do the same thing and have been overcoming many of those
complaints.



We are currently in the process of upgrading to 803.4x version of
Vantage. I have just completed converting our 8.0 database to the
803.4x version.



You do not need to do a separate conversion from 8.0 to 803.305 version
before going to the 803.4x version. Included in the database version
upgrade procedure is a process that does the conversion straight from
8.0 version to 803.4x. During the Change Schema process it apparently
does a schema change to the 803.305, finishes with the OK, but says you
need to run the Change Schema procedure again to complete the schema
changes. You run the Change Schema procedure a second time, it
completes with the simple OK. You then log on the administrative tools
from 803.4x version to complete the database changes and I was then good
to go.



I just used an 803.4x test server and completed the 8.0 to 803.4x
conversion using the one test server.



Jerry Rodden

Asst. Manager - MIS

Cardington Yutaka Technologies Inc.

575 West Main Street

Cardington, OH 43315

Phone: 419-864-8777 ext. 6209

Fax: 419-864-7771

Email jrodden@...





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Hmmm, good to know. I will have to try that then next time I bring
over our 8.00 db for testing.

-bw

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry W. Rodden" <jrodden@...> wrote:
>

>
>
> You do not need to do a separate conversion from 8.0 to 803.305
version
> before going to the 803.4x version. Included in the database
version
> upgrade procedure is a process that does the conversion straight
from
> 8.0 version to 803.4x. During the Change Schema process it
apparently
> does a schema change to the 803.305, finishes with the OK, but says
you
> need to run the Change Schema procedure again to complete the schema
> changes. You run the Change Schema procedure a second time, it
> completes with the simple OK. You then log on the administrative
tools
> from 803.4x version to complete the database changes and I was then
good
> to go.
>
>
>
> I just used an 803.4x test server and completed the 8.0 to 803.4x
> conversion using the one test server.
>
>
>
That is contrary to what support informed us to do. I asked if there
was a direct conversion from 8.0 to 8.03.40x... and was explicitly told
we would need to run each conversion procedure. Not surprising though.

Again, all the more reason to practice your conversion procedure.

Lee

You do not need to do a separate conversion from 8.0 to 803.305 version
before going to the 803.4x version. Included in the database version
upgrade procedure is a process that does the conversion straight from
8.0 version to 803.4x. During the Change Schema process it apparently
does a schema change to the 803.305, finishes with the OK, but says you
need to run the Change Schema procedure again to complete the schema
changes. You run the Change Schema procedure a second time, it
completes with the simple OK. You then log on the administrative tools
from 803.4x version to complete the database changes and I was then good
to go.

I just used an 803.4x test server and completed the 8.0 to 803.4x
conversion using the one test server.

Jerry Rodden

Asst. Manager - MIS

Cardington Yutaka Technologies Inc.

575 West Main Street

Cardington, OH 43315

Phone: 419-864-8777 ext. 6209

Fax: 419-864-7771

Email jrodden@... <mailto:jrodden%40yutakatech.com>






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I don't know what you could be talking about, but we didn't face any
charges to upgrade from 6.X upwards to 8.03.4XX. We also did the
upgrades with in-house staff and the media supplied by Epicor.

We have always been current on our maintenance though, since purchase.

Lee Henderson

On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:55 PM, brucewbrannan wrote:

> Todd,
>
> The $10K is listed as...
>
> Vantage Core Module
> Vantage Advanced Production
>
> I don't remember the exact terminology used (phone conversation), but
> when we discovered this fee we were told it was due to enhanced/new
> technology added to the core system, that was not in prior versions.
> And all along I'd been saying, "The upgrade is free, it's covered in
> our maintenance fees." At least that's how it's been in the past.
> Made me look stupid. 8^)
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > "2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
> > discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement."
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> > Please tell me more about this. What "new technology" is not
> covered by the maintenance fees? I can 100% gaurantee if there is
> any additional cost (form Epicor) to upgrade to 8.x it will never
> happen here. We will stay on 6.1 until the day we need a new
> system...and probably also drop maintenance until then. I hope this
> is not the case but that's the reality of our ownership's attitude
> toward Epicor's continual revenue hounding from the exiting customer
> base. Not talking about new modules or if "we" decide to get a
> consultant involved....just things that are supposed to be covered by
> the maintenance agreement.
> >
> > As for the DB conversion steps....when (if) we upgrade we will
> start from scratch with a clean database and maybe buy Service
> Connect to automate loading a few tables. I guess that would be "new
> technology" if that's what you had to pay for.
> >
> > -Todd C.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of brucewbrannan
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:51 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 to 8.03.404 - Lessons Learned
> >
> >
> > We're still trying to get 6.1 upgraded to 8.03.404 (week-long
> > process). I'll share some of the obstacles we've encountered during
> > the upgrade and hopefully it will make your upgrade easier.
> >
> > 1. If you are running 6.1 and buy the 8.03.400 upgrade you will only
> > get the install CDs and codes for 8.03.400 and OpenEdge 10.1b. You
> > will have to request the install CDs for 8.00 and the codes for
> > OpenEdge 10.0b.
> >
> > 2. There's a $10K upgrade cost for "new technology". We didn't
> > discover this until we got the actual invoice and agreement.
> >
> > 3. In order to upgrade from 6.1 to 8.03.404 you will have to perform
> > the first upgrade from 6.1 to 8.00, and then upgrade from 8.00 to
> > 8.03.404.
> >
> > 4. If you are installing the test upgrade on a new server you will
> > need your 6.1 CDs so you can install Progress 9.1d. This process is
> > documented in the 8.00 install notes, Appendix H.
> >
> > 5. 8.03 will run on Win2003 Server x64 but 9.1d will not (as
> discussed
> > in another post). Do the upgrades on a PC/Server with XP or Win2003
> > Standard. I'm using a Windows XP workstation.
> >
> > 6. Once you get 6.1 upgraded to 8.00 the next (sort of documented)
> > step is to upgrade the database to 8.03.4XX. Here's the process to
> do
> > that...
> > 1) Backup the 8.0 db using probkup
> > 2) Copy the backup to the mfgsy803\db
> > 3) Delete or move the existing files in the db folder
> > 4) Prorest the db with the 10.0B tool
> > 5) Truncate the bi using the 10.0B tool
> > 6) Truncate the bi using the 10.1B tool
> > 7) Run the Schema Change and conversions
> >
> > For #6, I found some detailed steps in the "Manufacturing Install
> > Progress_MSG803" document under the 8.03 documentation on the
> website.
> > https://epicweb.epicor.com/doc/Docs/Manufacturing%20Install%
> > 20Progress_MSG803.pdf. These aren't the exact steps but can be used
> in
> > conjunction with the 1-7 steps in #6.
> >
> > This is as far as we've gotten. Right now I'm waiting on the
> OpenEdge
> > 10.0b install codes but we are close to getting 8.03.404 running.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



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