8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?

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Edward,



Another option to consider that does not require port and/or directory
manipulation or result in performance degradation associated with OS
virtualization is to virtualize the applications themselves. Altiris makes
an application they call the "Software Virtualization Solution" that
effectively isolates applications, including registry settings, drivers,
etc., into compartments they call slices. You can activate, deactivate and
roll back slices as you wish without affecting the base OS or other
applications. The net result is that you can install multiple versions of
the same application without creating port conflicts or overwriting
directories and as a side benefit it is free:



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The only caveat is that you cannot run the two virtualized applications at
the same time.



Regards,



Michael



Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
<http://www.aspacia.com/> http://www.aspacia.com/



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Edward F. Fox, Jr.
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?



Thank you Mark and Jason.

I was planning to go down the route of Jason's option A and probably will,
but I hate changing default directories because I have had that cause issues
in the past (not with Vantage.)

I'll consider VMware and see how that works. I have never worked with it
before but I have known about it for years.

Thanks


Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/>

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Jason Claggett
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?

Edward,

Yes, Vista 8.03.400 WILL overwrite your mfgsys803 folder. There is a way
to do this properly and there is an Epicor technical document explaining
what you have to do.

A couple of things to consider:

1. OpenEdge 10.0 & 10.1 use the same ports for PET

2. 305 and 4xx use the same AppServer port numbers 83xx, etc.

3. 305 and 4xx use the same directory structure

Work Around A:

1. Get the Epicor document describing how to make OE10.0 OE10.1
co-exist on the same server

2. Change the AppServer ports to 84xx

3. Install the 4xx in a directory called mfgsys803400

Work Around B:

1. Install on Virtual server as Mark has suggested. Not sure of
any problems...but I am a fan of virtual servers (MS, VmWare, etc.)

Either method you choose you will need to install a new client on each
machine and that includes the .NET 3.0 Framework, WSE 3.0 and Crystal
Reports .NET 3.0 Runtime. Be sure to install the 4xx client into a
different directory on the workstation.

Hopefully this information is helpful.

Jason Claggett

Microsoft Small Business Specialist

MCP #3856159

2W Technologies, LLC

312.533.4033 x8039

jason@2wtech. <mailto:jason%402wtech.com> com

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of Edward F. Fox, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?

I just started to research the upgrade to 8.03.400. We have 8.03 running
on
our new server with a test copy of our database and I was going to jump
right up to 8.03.400. After reading the install guide, it appears that
8.03.400 is going to write over the 8.03 directory. I like to install
all
the software and have it running and then just migrate the database
through
all the steps.

Has anyone installed these versions on the same server? What did you do
so
they would co-habitate?

Thanks

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonau
<http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/> tomatic.com/>

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I just started to research the upgrade to 8.03.400. We have 8.03 running on
our new server with a test copy of our database and I was going to jump
right up to 8.03.400. After reading the install guide, it appears that
8.03.400 is going to write over the 8.03 directory. I like to install all
the software and have it running and then just migrate the database through
all the steps.

Has anyone installed these versions on the same server? What did you do so
they would co-habitate?

Thanks


Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 a Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/>




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> Has anyone installed these versions on the same server? What did you do so
> they would co-habitate?

I used VMWare Server[1] (which is free) to do this. If I screwed up, I could
restore the VM folder and get a mulligan...

Mark W.

1. http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

P.S. Don't set your RAM more than 1GB. It goes REALLY slow. Why? I have no
idea...
4
Edward,



Yes, Vista 8.03.400 WILL overwrite your mfgsys803 folder. There is a way
to do this properly and there is an Epicor technical document explaining
what you have to do.



A couple of things to consider:



1. OpenEdge 10.0 & 10.1 use the same ports for PET

2. 305 and 4xx use the same AppServer port numbers 83xx, etc.

3. 305 and 4xx use the same directory structure



Work Around A:



1. Get the Epicor document describing how to make OE10.0 OE10.1
co-exist on the same server

2. Change the AppServer ports to 84xx

3. Install the 4xx in a directory called mfgsys803400



Work Around B:



1. Install on Virtual server as Mark has suggested. Not sure of
any problems...but I am a fan of virtual servers (MS, VmWare, etc.)



Either method you choose you will need to install a new client on each
machine and that includes the .NET 3.0 Framework, WSE 3.0 and Crystal
Reports .NET 3.0 Runtime. Be sure to install the 4xx client into a
different directory on the workstation.



Hopefully this information is helpful.



Jason Claggett

Microsoft Small Business Specialist

MCP #3856159

2W Technologies, LLC

312.533.4033 x8039

jason@...



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Edward F. Fox, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?



I just started to research the upgrade to 8.03.400. We have 8.03 running
on
our new server with a test copy of our database and I was going to jump
right up to 8.03.400. After reading the install guide, it appears that
8.03.400 is going to write over the 8.03 directory. I like to install
all
the software and have it running and then just migrate the database
through
all the steps.

Has anyone installed these versions on the same server? What did you do
so
they would co-habitate?

Thanks


Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/>

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Yes....that's exactly how we have our DEVelopment server setup. Epicor
tech support helped me configure it...and, we use a different port for
ProgressExplorer for the .40x environment......we even had SQL2000 and
SQL2005 on the same box for a while, & that worked OK as well.

Gary

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Claggett" <jason@...> wrote:
>
> Edward,
>
>
>
> Yes, Vista 8.03.400 WILL overwrite your mfgsys803 folder. There is a way
> to do this properly and there is an Epicor technical document explaining
> what you have to do.
>
>
>
> A couple of things to consider:
>
>
>
> 1. OpenEdge 10.0 & 10.1 use the same ports for PET
>
> 2. 305 and 4xx use the same AppServer port numbers 83xx, etc.
>
> 3. 305 and 4xx use the same directory structure
>
>
>
> Work Around A:
>
>
>
> 1. Get the Epicor document describing how to make OE10.0 OE10.1
> co-exist on the same server
>
> 2. Change the AppServer ports to 84xx
>
> 3. Install the 4xx in a directory called mfgsys803400
>
>
>
> Work Around B:
>
>
>
> 1. Install on Virtual server as Mark has suggested. Not sure of
> any problems...but I am a fan of virtual servers (MS, VmWare, etc.)
>
>
>
> Either method you choose you will need to install a new client on each
> machine and that includes the .NET 3.0 Framework, WSE 3.0 and Crystal
> Reports .NET 3.0 Runtime. Be sure to install the 4xx client into a
> different directory on the workstation.
>
>
>
> Hopefully this information is helpful.
>
>
>
> Jason Claggett
>
> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
>
> MCP #3856159
>
> 2W Technologies, LLC
>
> 312.533.4033 x8039
>
> jason@...
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Edward F. Fox, Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:49 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?
>
>
>
> I just started to research the upgrade to 8.03.400. We have 8.03 running
> on
> our new server with a test copy of our database and I was going to jump
> right up to 8.03.400. After reading the install guide, it appears that
> 8.03.400 is going to write over the 8.03 directory. I like to install
> all
> the software and have it running and then just migrate the database
> through
> all the steps.
>
> Has anyone installed these versions on the same server? What did you do
> so
> they would co-habitate?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA
>
> Controller
>
> Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
>
> Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050
>
> www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Another vote for VMware Server here, why potentialy screw up a
production environment when virtualisation is available ?.

If you do use VMware to setup a test environment, and show it to
users, just make sure that they are aware that the performance will
not match that of the productino server/setup.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Wonsil" <mark_wonsil@...> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone installed these versions on the same server? What did
you do so
> > they would co-habitate?
>
> I used VMWare Server[1] (which is free) to do this. If I screwed
up, I could
> restore the VM folder and get a mulligan...
>
> Mark W.
>
> 1. http://www.vmware.com/products/server/
>
> P.S. Don't set your RAM more than 1GB. It goes REALLY slow. Why? I
have no
> idea...
>
7
Thank you Mark and Jason.

I was planning to go down the route of Jason's option A and probably will,
but I hate changing default directories because I have had that cause issues
in the past (not with Vantage.)

I'll consider VMware and see how that works. I have never worked with it
before but I have known about it for years.

Thanks


Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 a Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/>



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jason Claggett
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?



Edward,

Yes, Vista 8.03.400 WILL overwrite your mfgsys803 folder. There is a way
to do this properly and there is an Epicor technical document explaining
what you have to do.

A couple of things to consider:

1. OpenEdge 10.0 & 10.1 use the same ports for PET

2. 305 and 4xx use the same AppServer port numbers 83xx, etc.

3. 305 and 4xx use the same directory structure

Work Around A:

1. Get the Epicor document describing how to make OE10.0 OE10.1
co-exist on the same server

2. Change the AppServer ports to 84xx

3. Install the 4xx in a directory called mfgsys803400

Work Around B:

1. Install on Virtual server as Mark has suggested. Not sure of
any problems...but I am a fan of virtual servers (MS, VmWare, etc.)

Either method you choose you will need to install a new client on each
machine and that includes the .NET 3.0 Framework, WSE 3.0 and Crystal
Reports .NET 3.0 Runtime. Be sure to install the 4xx client into a
different directory on the workstation.

Hopefully this information is helpful.

Jason Claggett

Microsoft Small Business Specialist

MCP #3856159

2W Technologies, LLC

312.533.4033 x8039

jason@2wtech. <mailto:jason%402wtech.com> com

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of Edward F. Fox, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?

I just started to research the upgrade to 8.03.400. We have 8.03 running
on
our new server with a test copy of our database and I was going to jump
right up to 8.03.400. After reading the install guide, it appears that
8.03.400 is going to write over the 8.03 directory. I like to install
all
the software and have it running and then just migrate the database
through
all the steps.

Has anyone installed these versions on the same server? What did you do
so
they would co-habitate?

Thanks

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonau
<http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/> tomatic.com/>

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Edward,



Another option to consider that does not require port and/or directory
manipulation or result in performance degradation associated with OS
virtualization is to virtualize the applications themselves. Altiris makes
an application they call the "Software Virtualization Solution" that
effectively isolates applications, including registry settings, drivers,
etc., into compartments they call slices. You can activate, deactivate and
roll back slices as you wish without affecting the base OS or other
applications. The net result is that you can install multiple versions of
the same application without creating port conflicts or overwriting
directories and as a side benefit it is free:



http://www.download.com/3120-20_4.html?qt=altiris
<http://www.download.com/3120-20_4.html?qt=altiris&tag=srch&tg=dl-20>
&tag=srch&tg=dl-20



The only caveat is that you cannot run the two virtualized applications at
the same time.



Regards,



Michael



Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
<http://www.aspacia.com/> http://www.aspacia.com/



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Edward F. Fox, Jr.
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?



Thank you Mark and Jason.

I was planning to go down the route of Jason's option A and probably will,
but I hate changing default directories because I have had that cause issues
in the past (not with Vantage.)

I'll consider VMware and see how that works. I have never worked with it
before but I have known about it for years.

Thanks


Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/>

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Jason Claggett
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?

Edward,

Yes, Vista 8.03.400 WILL overwrite your mfgsys803 folder. There is a way
to do this properly and there is an Epicor technical document explaining
what you have to do.

A couple of things to consider:

1. OpenEdge 10.0 & 10.1 use the same ports for PET

2. 305 and 4xx use the same AppServer port numbers 83xx, etc.

3. 305 and 4xx use the same directory structure

Work Around A:

1. Get the Epicor document describing how to make OE10.0 OE10.1
co-exist on the same server

2. Change the AppServer ports to 84xx

3. Install the 4xx in a directory called mfgsys803400

Work Around B:

1. Install on Virtual server as Mark has suggested. Not sure of
any problems...but I am a fan of virtual servers (MS, VmWare, etc.)

Either method you choose you will need to install a new client on each
machine and that includes the .NET 3.0 Framework, WSE 3.0 and Crystal
Reports .NET 3.0 Runtime. Be sure to install the 4xx client into a
different directory on the workstation.

Hopefully this information is helpful.

Jason Claggett

Microsoft Small Business Specialist

MCP #3856159

2W Technologies, LLC

312.533.4033 x8039

jason@2wtech. <mailto:jason%402wtech.com> com

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of Edward F. Fox, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?

I just started to research the upgrade to 8.03.400. We have 8.03 running
on
our new server with a test copy of our database and I was going to jump
right up to 8.03.400. After reading the install guide, it appears that
8.03.400 is going to write over the 8.03 directory. I like to install
all
the software and have it running and then just migrate the database
through
all the steps.

Has anyone installed these versions on the same server? What did you do
so
they would co-habitate?

Thanks

Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonau
<http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/> tomatic.com/>

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VMWare is fantastic, providing a good DR path if you have external
storage. I would very much like to implement it to replace 3 very old
servers, but unless you can separate your storage from the server
machine itself (via SAN or iSCSI to a NAS), you don't get the DR
benefits. As I don't have the budget for adding any external storage, I
elected not to implement VMWare in a production capacity.

Once you start using it, you'll see how easy it really can be. The
"free" version does a great job of handling multiple virtual-machines
hosted in any one physical server. The retail products work together
with your hardware and storage allowing you to seamlessly move a machine
from one physical host to another when, for example, you purchase a
newer/beefier physical host.

Great stuff. Wish I had the $.

--Ari

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Edward F. Fox, Jr.
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.400 and 8.03 on Same Server?



Thank you Mark and Jason.

I was planning to go down the route of Jason's option A and probably
will,
but I hate changing default directories because I have had that cause
issues
in the past (not with Vantage.)

I'll consider VMware and see how that works. I have never worked with it
before but I have known about it for years.

Thanks


Edward F. Fox, Jr., CPA

Controller

Maxson Automatic Machinery Company

Phone 401-596-0162 a Fax 401-596-1050

www.maxsonautomatic.com <http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/
<http://www.maxsonautomatic.com/> >

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