[Admin] New Member

I have the opposite opinion to Mark. I find that a large number of the
messages I get have nothing to do with questions about the product and/or
how to use it. There are entirely too many messages about how to use this
group, what opinions we have about things, and other subjects that don't
relate to Vantage itself (and questions about ODBC, Terminal Server,
Crystal, Etc., ARE related to Vantage if they are being used in conjunction
with Vantage). From my point of view, I don't really care who reads these
messages or why they read them. My only concern is that I can post real
questions that get answered, and I can answer real questions when I have an
answer to give.

The ONLY reason I would be concerned about non-users being members is if
they started posting messages that don't have to do with Vantage (or related
products). This would only add to the already excessive number of
non-value-added messages.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Howard [mailto:speed@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:46 PM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member


From the 16th to the 24th I have received 168 emails. Most are Technical
items of discussion, I can't see how these items would be relevant or even
make sense to a stockholder that has never used or setup the product. A lot
of the items discussed aren't anything to do with vantage...like Terminal
Sever, OBDC and Crystal and so on. How will the stockholder be able to make
any judgement on the product if they don't know if were talking about it or
a 3rd party product.
Lets face it I can't keep up with the volume of mail and I understand what
is being discussed do think someone that doesn't will.

That is my opinion...no offence intended

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Sanders [SMTP:ssanders@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:57 AM
> To: vantage@egroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member
>
> We received a list membership request from Teresa Van Son. Here is an
> excerpt from her request:
>
> I am an Epicor stock owner and I want to visit the list to keep up
> with
> what users
> are saying about Vantage. I don't plan on participating in any
> discussions
> but really
> am interested in reading the list from time to time.
> I don't have a company, I am an independent investor.
>
> Personally, I think it will be great to have an Epicor stock holder on the
> list, but we wanted you to be aware that we were considering her
> membership
> since it is outside the normal requirements.
> Steve Sanders
> Vantage eGroups Administrator
>
>
>
>
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No!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeanne Weiler [mailto:JWEILER@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:43 PM
To: pmcguire@...
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member


I vote NO!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Clauser [mailto:gclauser@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:23 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member


I vote an emphatic NO!
Greg Clauser
Lakin General Corporation
gclauser@... <mailto:gclauser@...>


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Wirtz [mailto:SWirtz@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:20 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member


Steve,

Just a couple of thoughts. It might make Epicor pay more attention to
our requests since they are monitoring the lists themselves, but what
about the next investor that has the same request, and the next? Some
of what we talk about may be company confidential and we of course have
already accepted a risk by our discussions with other vantage users, but
we may have to be more guarded if this information is going outside
vantage users and the purpose intended for the egroup.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sanders [SMTP:ssanders@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:57 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member

We received a list membership request from Teresa Van Son. Here
is an
excerpt from her request:

I am an Epicor stock owner and I want to visit the list
to keep up with
what users
are saying about Vantage. I don't plan on participating
in any discussions
but really
am interested in reading the list from time to time.
I don't have a company, I am an independent investor.

Personally, I think it will be great to have an Epicor stock
holder on the
list, but we wanted you to be aware that we were considering her
membership
since it is outside the normal requirements.
Steve Sanders
Vantage eGroups Administrator



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will work the next time you try it.)
This would be a good way for a competitor to get loads of
info. Just buy a share or two of epicor and get on the
list claiming to be a concerned stockholder.

Steve Sanders wrote:
>
> We received a list membership request from Teresa Van Son. Here is an
> excerpt from her request:
>
> I am an Epicor stock owner and I want to visit the list to keep up with
> what users
> are saying about Vantage. I don't plan on participating in any discussions
> but really
> am interested in reading the list from time to time.
> I don't have a company, I am an independent investor.
>
> Personally, I think it will be great to have an Epicor stock holder on the
> list, but we wanted you to be aware that we were considering her membership
> since it is outside the normal requirements.
> Steve Sanders
> Vantage eGroups Administrator
>
>
> We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files, please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
> (Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above will work the next time you try it.)
Doesn't competition make better/cheaper products? Isn't that what drives our
businesses? If they were a competitor they could probably use a little help
figuring out how Vantage works just like the rest of us!

In the original request they claimed not to be a user. If you are not a user
of Vantage then this list is useless to you. Of all the posts on this list,
only the topics concerning Crystal concern me, the rest are over my head. I
can't imagine the investor/lurker will hang around long once the techno
banter starts flying around.

My vote? Kill this thread!
Eric Nelson
Applications-Web Services
Winona Lighting, Inc
3760 West Fourth Street
Winona, MN 55987-7205
P: (507) 454-5113
F: (507) 452-8528
1-800-328-5291
www.winonalighting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Konecny [mailto:jkonecn@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 7:08 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member


This would be a good way for a competitor to get loads of
info. Just buy a share or two of epicor and get on the
list claiming to be a concerned stockholder.





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Steve
Just a thought... How are you going to keep them out? When I joined
this group, I don't remember being asked whether I was a Vantage
user... and there certainly was no "background check" done on me to see
if I was.. (at least not to my knowledge).

All a person would have to do to be "accepted" by the group would be to
post a question like "Hey, has anyone out there be able to get EDI
working in Vantage?" and EVERYONE would believe them to be a geniune
Vantage user! ;)

Britt Moelling

Steve Sanders wrote:

> Well, at first we couldn't see any real problem in letting this type
> of
> member in. We certainly didn't want to make any changes without
> letting the
> group know what was going on, so I threw out the comment to the group
> to see
> what kind of response we would get. As usual, y'all came through with
> some
> really good points that we hadn't considered.
>
> As it turns out, we found other information that led us to believe
> that this
> person was not being entirely up-front about their situation, so the
> point
> is moot. Unless something else changes, I doubt that we will be
> admitting
> this person to the group.
>
> Thanks again for your comments! We really are interested in keeping
> this
> group working at least as well as it has in the past. I promise that
> we
> will keep the group informed before we make any serious changes!
>
> Steve Sanders
> Vantage eGroups Moderator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:25 AM
> To: vantage@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member
>
>
> Why not stick to the policy that is in place now? It was set up for
> a
> reason. Or are you asking if the policy whould be changed?
>
> Troy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Williams
> To: vantage@egroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:25 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member
>
>
> If the stockholders carry any more clout than the users, by all
> means
> let
> her in.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Sanders [mailto:ssanders@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:57 AM
> To: vantage@egroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] [Admin] New Member
>
> We received a list membership request from Teresa Van Son. Here
> is an
> excerpt from her request:
>
> I am an Epicor stock owner and I want to visit the list to
> keep up
> with
> what users
> are saying about Vantage. I don't plan on participating in
> any
> discussions
> but really
> am interested in reading the list from time to time.
> I don't have a company, I am an independent investor.
>
> Personally, I think it will be great to have an Epicor stock
> holder on
> the
> list, but we wanted you to be aware that we were considering her
> membership
> since it is outside the normal requirements.
> Steve Sanders
> Vantage eGroups Administrator
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> eGroups Sponsor
>
>
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> it, go
> to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My
>
> Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password,
> the
> link above will work the next time you try it.)
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> eGroups Sponsor

>
> We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report
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> My Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the
> password, the link above will work the next time you try it.)

--
Britt Moelling
M&M Manufacturing Co., Inc.



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