Appserver - Pool Range - Available Servers

Ned,

You should rewrite all the Vantage manuals. Very well explained, thank
you.



Thanks,

Blake Clemens

IT Systems Engineer

Delmarva Millwork Corporation

(800) 360-2364 x132

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ned
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Appserver - Pool Range - Available Servers





Short Answer - No, you probably don't need that many.

Longer answer...

The appservers handle the actual transactions, they are only used when
someone opens a screen the first time, when someone logs in, when
someone
hits a button to do a transaction, make a save, run a search, or
anything
else which will cause a query to the database.

If you ever want to see how the appservers are being utilized, open up
the
PET, right click on an appserver and select "Status" and then flip to
the
Details page. This will show you the appservers that are running and
their
current status. Available, Locked, etc.. This doesn't auto refresh but
you
can manually click the refresh button and see the statuses change as
people
are working. Most transactions actually take fractions of seconds to be
completed. The user to appserver ratio can vary from company to company
depending on use, so in a sense it's not possible for support or anyone
to
tell you what you should have on your own system.

The nice part of OpenEdge is the automatic addition and subtraction of
appservers as needed by the system. You could put 500 in that box for
maximum, and assuming the system is working correctly with no bugs or
locking problems, the system will only create the minimum required to
keep
the system running. The minimum is based on the minimum you list on that

initial page, and then the system will add more if there are processes
backed up and waiting for additional appservers. The system will also
trim
the number of appservers when they sit idle for an extended period of
time
doing nothing.

In the end, as long as your server has enough RAM and you don't have any

locking issues which can cause problems, then yes, you can set up your
max
appservers on a 1:1 ratio, but there isn't really a need to do so, 25
should
more than likely be enough, and if I had to guess, you are probably
almost
never running with the full 25 in the first place.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake Clemens" <blake.clemens@...
<mailto:blake.clemens%40d-m-c.com> >
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Appserver - Pool Range - Available Servers

> Here's a question that I've always wondered and could never get a
> straight answer from support. It's a pretty basic question. In the
> Progress Explorer Tool-Appservers-Mfgsys803-Agent-Pool Range, the
amount
> of maximum available servers should be equal to the amount of possible
> Vantage users that could be on the system at any given time. Is this
> way of thinking correct? We have a total of 30 possible users but have
> only 25 Maximum Servers set up in the Pool Range. Should the maximum
> available servers be set to at least 30?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Blake Clemens
>
> IT Systems Engineer
>
> Delmarva Millwork Corporation
>
> (800) 360-2364 x132
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>





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Here's a question that I've always wondered and could never get a
straight answer from support. It's a pretty basic question. In the
Progress Explorer Tool-Appservers-Mfgsys803-Agent-Pool Range, the amount
of maximum available servers should be equal to the amount of possible
Vantage users that could be on the system at any given time. Is this
way of thinking correct? We have a total of 30 possible users but have
only 25 Maximum Servers set up in the Pool Range. Should the maximum
available servers be set to at least 30?



Thanks,

Blake Clemens

IT Systems Engineer

Delmarva Millwork Corporation

(800) 360-2364 x132



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I believe somewhere in the tuning guide it has you set up 3-4 users per server in which case 25 servers would be able to support 75-100 users????

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Clemens" <blake.clemens@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a question that I've always wondered and could never get a
> straight answer from support. It's a pretty basic question. In the
> Progress Explorer Tool-Appservers-Mfgsys803-Agent-Pool Range, the amount
> of maximum available servers should be equal to the amount of possible
> Vantage users that could be on the system at any given time. Is this
> way of thinking correct? We have a total of 30 possible users but have
> only 25 Maximum Servers set up in the Pool Range. Should the maximum
> available servers be set to at least 30?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Blake Clemens
>
> IT Systems Engineer
>
> Delmarva Millwork Corporation
>
> (800) 360-2364 x132
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I think I'll do that... we currently have just the Mfgsys803 appserver
along with the Taskagent and ProcessServer appservers.



Thanks,

Blake Clemens

IT Systems Engineer

Delmarva Millwork Corporation

(800) 360-2364 x132

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bw2868bond
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Appserver - Pool Range - Available Servers





I believe somewhere in the tuning guide it has you set up 3-4 users per
server in which case 25 servers would be able to support 75-100
users????

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Blake Clemens" <blake.clemens@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a question that I've always wondered and could never get a
> straight answer from support. It's a pretty basic question. In the
> Progress Explorer Tool-Appservers-Mfgsys803-Agent-Pool Range, the
amount
> of maximum available servers should be equal to the amount of possible
> Vantage users that could be on the system at any given time. Is this
> way of thinking correct? We have a total of 30 possible users but have
> only 25 Maximum Servers set up in the Pool Range. Should the maximum
> available servers be set to at least 30?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Blake Clemens
>
> IT Systems Engineer
>
> Delmarva Millwork Corporation
>
> (800) 360-2364 x132
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Has anyone else setup multiple appservers per every 3-4 Vantage users?



Thanks,

Blake Clemens

IT Systems Engineer

Delmarva Millwork Corporation

(800) 360-2364 x132

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Blake Clemens
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Appserver - Pool Range - Available Servers





I think I'll do that... we currently have just the Mfgsys803 appserver
along with the Taskagent and ProcessServer appservers.

Thanks,

Blake Clemens

IT Systems Engineer

Delmarva Millwork Corporation

(800) 360-2364 x132

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of bw2868bond
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Appserver - Pool Range - Available Servers

I believe somewhere in the tuning guide it has you set up 3-4 users per
server in which case 25 servers would be able to support 75-100
users????

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Blake Clemens" <blake.clemens@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a question that I've always wondered and could never get a
> straight answer from support. It's a pretty basic question. In the
> Progress Explorer Tool-Appservers-Mfgsys803-Agent-Pool Range, the
amount
> of maximum available servers should be equal to the amount of possible
> Vantage users that could be on the system at any given time. Is this
> way of thinking correct? We have a total of 30 possible users but have
> only 25 Maximum Servers set up in the Pool Range. Should the maximum
> available servers be set to at least 30?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Blake Clemens
>
> IT Systems Engineer
>
> Delmarva Millwork Corporation
>
> (800) 360-2364 x132
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Short Answer - No, you probably don't need that many.

Longer answer...

The appservers handle the actual transactions, they are only used when
someone opens a screen the first time, when someone logs in, when someone
hits a button to do a transaction, make a save, run a search, or anything
else which will cause a query to the database.

If you ever want to see how the appservers are being utilized, open up the
PET, right click on an appserver and select "Status" and then flip to the
Details page. This will show you the appservers that are running and their
current status. Available, Locked, etc.. This doesn't auto refresh but you
can manually click the refresh button and see the statuses change as people
are working. Most transactions actually take fractions of seconds to be
completed. The user to appserver ratio can vary from company to company
depending on use, so in a sense it's not possible for support or anyone to
tell you what you should have on your own system.

The nice part of OpenEdge is the automatic addition and subtraction of
appservers as needed by the system. You could put 500 in that box for
maximum, and assuming the system is working correctly with no bugs or
locking problems, the system will only create the minimum required to keep
the system running. The minimum is based on the minimum you list on that
initial page, and then the system will add more if there are processes
backed up and waiting for additional appservers. The system will also trim
the number of appservers when they sit idle for an extended period of time
doing nothing.

In the end, as long as your server has enough RAM and you don't have any
locking issues which can cause problems, then yes, you can set up your max
appservers on a 1:1 ratio, but there isn't really a need to do so, 25 should
more than likely be enough, and if I had to guess, you are probably almost
never running with the full 25 in the first place.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake Clemens" <blake.clemens@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Appserver - Pool Range - Available Servers


> Here's a question that I've always wondered and could never get a
> straight answer from support. It's a pretty basic question. In the
> Progress Explorer Tool-Appservers-Mfgsys803-Agent-Pool Range, the amount
> of maximum available servers should be equal to the amount of possible
> Vantage users that could be on the system at any given time. Is this
> way of thinking correct? We have a total of 30 possible users but have
> only 25 Maximum Servers set up in the Pool Range. Should the maximum
> available servers be set to at least 30?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Blake Clemens
>
> IT Systems Engineer
>
> Delmarva Millwork Corporation
>
> (800) 360-2364 x132
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>