Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

Mark - Almost forgot this: Order Job Wizard mass create (all) job, & engineer has worked flawlessly for us so far.

Rob Brown



--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...> wrote:
From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:32 AM











Rob, manually setting the material to backflush in job entry works. I haven't tried it with Order Job Wizard. On that note, does anybody else have a problem with the Order Job Wizard in trying to select all lines? We have not bee n able to make that work and have to select each job individually



--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 1:18 AM



Backflushing materials required in jobs with details generated through multi-level phantom structures is working fine for us on 404B. Our phantoms are set as pull & view as assembly.



The problem under 404B we ARE encountering is that job detail generation is creating references to multiple assemblies that don't exist. Our 'fix' is to delete the non-valid references to assemblies greater than zero. However, the 'extra' assemblies mess up the initial allocations impact of the job on PartWhse.Allocation s - and 'fixing them' via our record delete technique doesn't 'fix' the screwed up allocations values.



I'm wondering if our problems are perhaps really one in the same. Perhaps if we hadn't recognize the false assembly references and put a process in place to delete those records, we would be suffering the same inability to backflush.



Have you verified that it does not matter HOW the job is created and detials are generated? (Order Job Wizard, Job Entry, MRP UnFirmed Orders, Job Manager, etc.,)



If memory serves me correctly, it didn't matter for our problem.



Rob Brown



--- On Mon, 6/23/08, lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@ fibrebond. com> wrote:



From: lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@ fibrebond. com>

Subject: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:14 PM



We have exactly the same problem.



Epicor told us that this was a bug that was fixed in the 405 patch.



We aren't live on 405 yet, but this problem does appear to be fixed

in our test environment.



--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@.. .> wrote:

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> Do you mean a subcontract operation? No it is not. The wierd

thing is I can see the material set to backflush on the MOM but when

it brings it into the job it is unchecked

>

> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...> wrote:

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> From: BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:11 PM

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> Is the material linked to the outside operation? If yes backflush

will not work.

> Barbara Dakowicz

> Savage Bros, Co.

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> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com> wrote:

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> From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:50 PM

>

> Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a

non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have

tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material

is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are

not linked to phantoms

>

> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:

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> From: Andrew Best <abest@...>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM

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> Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?

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> Regards,

>

> Andrew Best

> Sent from a cell phone

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

> To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroup s .com>

> Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM

> Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

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> We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom.

I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the

material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the

backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked

on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work

with no luck. Any suggestions?

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We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom. I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work with no luck. Any suggestions?




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Hi all,

We recently upgraded to 8.03.404B (5/31) and have been having recurring
issues of the client becoming unresponsive and we have to kill the
session and restart. Initially, I thought this was a particular users
machine or account, but after asking around some more, it is more
prevalent than that.

I am working with support, but I am hoping that someone else might have
seen the following error in their application event log on the server
and might have a suggestion on how to eliminate it:
Usr WARNING: -nb exceeded. Automatically increasing from 90 to 122.
(5407)

This doesn't always coincide with the lockups, but I would like to
eliminate any error that I can.

Thanks in advance,

Bill

William Hannah
Director of Finance
William Frick & Company
Phone: 847-918-7338
William.Hannah@... <mailto:William.Hhannah@...>



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Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?

Regards,

Andrew Best
Sent from a cell phone

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@...>
To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom. I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work with no luck. Any suggestions?




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Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are not linked to phantoms

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:

From: Andrew Best <abest@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM






Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?

Regards,

Andrew Best
Sent from a cell phone

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroups .com>
Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom. I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work with no luck. Any suggestions?

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Is the material linked to the outside operation? If yes backflush will not work.
Barbara Dakowicz
Savage Bros, Co.

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...> wrote:

From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:50 PM






Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are not linked to phantoms

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:

From: Andrew Best <abest@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM

Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?

Regards,

Andrew Best
Sent from a cell phone

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroup s .com>
Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom. I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work with no luck. Any suggestions?

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Do you mean a subcontract operation? No it is not. The wierd thing is I can see the material set to backflush on the MOM but when it brings it into the job it is unchecked

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@...> wrote:

From: BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:11 PM






Is the material linked to the outside operation? If yes backflush will not work.
Barbara Dakowicz
Savage Bros, Co.

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:50 PM

Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are not linked to phantoms

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:

From: Andrew Best <abest@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM

Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?

Regards,

Andrew Best
Sent from a cell phone

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroup s .com>
Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom. I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work with no luck. Any suggestions?

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We have exactly the same problem.

Epicor told us that this was a bug that was fixed in the 405 patch.

We aren't live on 405 yet, but this problem does appear to be fixed
in our test environment.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...> wrote:
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> Do you mean a subcontract operation? No it is not. The wierd
thing is I can see the material set to backflush on the MOM but when
it brings it into the job it is unchecked
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> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@...> wrote:
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> From: BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:11 PM
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> Is the material linked to the outside operation? If yes backflush
will not work.
> Barbara Dakowicz
> Savage Bros, Co.
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> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:50 PM
>
> Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a
non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have
tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material
is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are
not linked to phantoms
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:
>
> From: Andrew Best <abest@...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM
>
> Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Best
> Sent from a cell phone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
> To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroup s .com>
> Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
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> We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom.
I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the
material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the
backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked
on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work
with no luck. Any suggestions?
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Backflushing materials required in jobs with details generated through multi-level phantom structures is working fine for us on 404B. Our phantoms are set as pull & view as assembly.

The problem under 404B we ARE encountering is that job detail generation is creating references to multiple assemblies that don't exist. Our 'fix' is to delete the non-valid references to assemblies greater than zero. However, the 'extra' assemblies mess up the initial allocations impact of the job on PartWhse.Allocations - and 'fixing them' via our record delete technique doesn't 'fix' the screwed up allocations values.

I'm wondering if our problems are perhaps really one in the same. Perhaps if we hadn't recognize the false assembly references and put a process in place to delete those records, we would be suffering the same inability to backflush.

Have you verified that it does not matter HOW the job is created and detials are generated? (Order Job Wizard, Job Entry, MRP UnFirmed Orders, Job Manager, etc.,)

If memory serves me correctly, it didn't matter for our problem.

Rob Brown

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@...> wrote:

From: lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:14 PM






We have exactly the same problem.

Epicor told us that this was a bug that was fixed in the 405 patch.

We aren't live on 405 yet, but this problem does appear to be fixed
in our test environment.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@.. .> wrote:
>
> Do you mean a subcontract operation? No it is not. The wierd
thing is I can see the material set to backflush on the MOM but when
it brings it into the job it is unchecked
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:11 PM
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> Is the material linked to the outside operation? If yes backflush
will not work.
> Barbara Dakowicz
> Savage Bros, Co.
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> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:50 PM
>
> Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a
non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have
tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material
is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are
not linked to phantoms
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:
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> From: Andrew Best <abest@...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM
>
> Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Best
> Sent from a cell phone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
> To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroup s .com>
> Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
>
> We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom.
I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the
material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the
backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked
on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work
with no luck. Any suggestions?
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Thanks for the heads up. We'll install the patch and test as well. Thanks again

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@...> wrote:

From: lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:14 PM






We have exactly the same problem.

Epicor told us that this was a bug that was fixed in the 405 patch.

We aren't live on 405 yet, but this problem does appear to be fixed
in our test environment.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@.. .> wrote:
>
> Do you mean a subcontract operation? No it is not. The wierd
thing is I can see the material set to backflush on the MOM but when
it brings it into the job it is unchecked
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:11 PM
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> Is the material linked to the outside operation? If yes backflush
will not work.
> Barbara Dakowicz
> Savage Bros, Co.
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> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:50 PM
>
> Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a
non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have
tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material
is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are
not linked to phantoms
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:
>
> From: Andrew Best <abest@...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM
>
> Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Best
> Sent from a cell phone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
> To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroup s .com>
> Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
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> We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom.
I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the
material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the
backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked
on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work
with no luck. Any suggestions?
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Rob, manually setting the material to backflush in job entry works. I haven't tried it with Order Job Wizard. On that note, does anybody else have a problem with the Order Job Wizard in trying to select all lines? We have not bee n able to make that work and have to select each job individually

--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 1:18 AM






Backflushing materials required in jobs with details generated through multi-level phantom structures is working fine for us on 404B. Our phantoms are set as pull & view as assembly.

The problem under 404B we ARE encountering is that job detail generation is creating references to multiple assemblies that don't exist. Our 'fix' is to delete the non-valid references to assemblies greater than zero. However, the 'extra' assemblies mess up the initial allocations impact of the job on PartWhse.Allocation s - and 'fixing them' via our record delete technique doesn't 'fix' the screwed up allocations values.

I'm wondering if our problems are perhaps really one in the same. Perhaps if we hadn't recognize the false assembly references and put a process in place to delete those records, we would be suffering the same inability to backflush.

Have you verified that it does not matter HOW the job is created and detials are generated? (Order Job Wizard, Job Entry, MRP UnFirmed Orders, Job Manager, etc.,)

If memory serves me correctly, it didn't matter for our problem.

Rob Brown

--- On Mon, 6/23/08, lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@ fibrebond. com> wrote:

From: lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@ fibrebond. com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:14 PM

We have exactly the same problem.

Epicor told us that this was a bug that was fixed in the 405 patch.

We aren't live on 405 yet, but this problem does appear to be fixed
in our test environment.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@.. .> wrote:
>
> Do you mean a subcontract operation? No it is not. The wierd
thing is I can see the material set to backflush on the MOM but when
it brings it into the job it is unchecked
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:11 PM
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> Is the material linked to the outside operation? If yes backflush
will not work.
> Barbara Dakowicz
> Savage Bros, Co.
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> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:50 PM
>
> Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a
non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have
tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material
is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are
not linked to phantoms
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:
>
> From: Andrew Best <abest@...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM
>
> Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Best
> Sent from a cell phone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
> To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroup s .com>
> Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
>
> We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom.
I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the
material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the
backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked
on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work
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Mark,

From your earlier response, it sounds like you are pinning resolution of the problem to the 405A upgrade.

Please let me know how it works. We are DONE being guinea pigs without top to bottom testing in our test environment and also after a suitable wait to see if a 405B (as an example) is rushed out to fix what 405A breaks!

Until you upgrade to 405A, try creating a recurring process to compare job part detail back-flush flags to the corresponding part's part/plant backflush setting. When different, reset the job value to match part/plant.

If you have that run every 5 minutes or so, it will be invisible to your users. If you add some kind of logging process to it, you will also be able to tell if the problem is really solved on 405A (as no new jobs will require a change if the bug has been fixed).

Good luck (and please keep in touch).

Rob Brown

--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...> wrote:
From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:32 AM











Rob, manually setting the material to backflush in job entry works. I haven't tried it with Order Job Wizard. On that note, does anybody else have a problem with the Order Job Wizard in trying to select all lines? We have not bee n able to make that work and have to select each job individually



--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 1:18 AM



Backflushing materials required in jobs with details generated through multi-level phantom structures is working fine for us on 404B. Our phantoms are set as pull & view as assembly.



The problem under 404B we ARE encountering is that job detail generation is creating references to multiple assemblies that don't exist. Our 'fix' is to delete the non-valid references to assemblies greater than zero. However, the 'extra' assemblies mess up the initial allocations impact of the job on PartWhse.Allocation s - and 'fixing them' via our record delete technique doesn't 'fix' the screwed up allocations values.



I'm wondering if our problems are perhaps really one in the same. Perhaps if we hadn't recognize the false assembly references and put a process in place to delete those records, we would be suffering the same inability to backflush.



Have you verified that it does not matter HOW the job is created and detials are generated? (Order Job Wizard, Job Entry, MRP UnFirmed Orders, Job Manager, etc.,)



If memory serves me correctly, it didn't matter for our problem.



Rob Brown



--- On Mon, 6/23/08, lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@ fibrebond. com> wrote:



From: lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@ fibrebond. com>

Subject: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:14 PM



We have exactly the same problem.



Epicor told us that this was a bug that was fixed in the 405 patch.



We aren't live on 405 yet, but this problem does appear to be fixed

in our test environment.



--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@.. .> wrote:

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> Do you mean a subcontract operation? No it is not. The wierd

thing is I can see the material set to backflush on the MOM but when

it brings it into the job it is unchecked

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> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...> wrote:

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> From: BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:11 PM

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> Is the material linked to the outside operation? If yes backflush

will not work.

> Barbara Dakowicz

> Savage Bros, Co.

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> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com> wrote:

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> From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:50 PM

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> Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a

non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have

tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material

is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are

not linked to phantoms

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> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:

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> From: Andrew Best <abest@...>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM

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> Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?

>

> Regards,

>

> Andrew Best

> Sent from a cell phone

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

> To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroup s .com>

> Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM

> Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

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> We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom.

I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the

material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the

backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked

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Mark - Almost forgot this: Order Job Wizard mass create (all) job, & engineer has worked flawlessly for us so far.

We don't have sales schedule or release.

Production Control does scheduling via job entry to give our customers that best possible, accurate achievable date (also changing the ship date on the linked sales line to match).

Release/TravelerPrint is done via a 3 step BAQ enabled process from (1) Job Status Maintenance (select unreleased, unprinted jobs for mass print that have start dates scheduled within the next 5 calendar days). (2) Traveler Mass print (from Traveler report - print all jobs set for mass print) and, (3) once traveler hard copy print is successful (no paper jams or faded bar codes from a toner cartridge running out) use Job Status maintenance to release these jobs just printed.

Rob Brown



--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...> wrote:
From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:32 AM











Rob, manually setting the material to backflush in job entry works. I haven't tried it with Order Job Wizard. On that note, does anybody else have a problem with the Order Job Wizard in trying to select all lines? We have not bee n able to make that work and have to select each job individually



--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 1:18 AM



Backflushing materials required in jobs with details generated through multi-level phantom structures is working fine for us on 404B. Our phantoms are set as pull & view as assembly.



The problem under 404B we ARE encountering is that job detail generation is creating references to multiple assemblies that don't exist. Our 'fix' is to delete the non-valid references to assemblies greater than zero. However, the 'extra' assemblies mess up the initial allocations impact of the job on PartWhse.Allocation s - and 'fixing them' via our record delete technique doesn't 'fix' the screwed up allocations values.



I'm wondering if our problems are perhaps really one in the same. Perhaps if we hadn't recognize the false assembly references and put a process in place to delete those records, we would be suffering the same inability to backflush.



Have you verified that it does not matter HOW the job is created and detials are generated? (Order Job Wizard, Job Entry, MRP UnFirmed Orders, Job Manager, etc.,)



If memory serves me correctly, it didn't matter for our problem.



Rob Brown



--- On Mon, 6/23/08, lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@ fibrebond. com> wrote:



From: lapulsifer <sharon.pulsifer@ fibrebond. com>

Subject: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:14 PM



We have exactly the same problem.



Epicor told us that this was a bug that was fixed in the 405 patch.



We aren't live on 405 yet, but this problem does appear to be fixed

in our test environment.



--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@.. .> wrote:

>

> Do you mean a subcontract operation? No it is not. The wierd

thing is I can see the material set to backflush on the MOM but when

it brings it into the job it is unchecked

>

> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...> wrote:

>

> From: BARBARA DAKOWICZ <barbarad8728@ ...>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:11 PM

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> Is the material linked to the outside operation? If yes backflush

will not work.

> Barbara Dakowicz

> Savage Bros, Co.

>

> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com> wrote:

>

> From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:50 PM

>

> Yes, the part is set to backflush and a stock item. The parent is a

non stock, non quantity bearing and marked phantom (actually I have

tried setting the parent several ways to get it to work) The material

is hung on an operation, same as other materials on the bill that are

not linked to phantoms

>

> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:

>

> From: Andrew Best <abest@...>

> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:33 PM

>

> Is the part maintenance set up as backflush and a stock item?

>

> Regards,

>

> Andrew Best

> Sent from a cell phone

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: "Mark Wagner" <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

> To: "Vantage User Group" <vantage@yahoogroup s .com>

> Sent: 6/23/08 12:18 PM

> Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material Tied To A Phantom

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> We are trying to backflush a material that is linked to a phantom.

I can manually backflush and I can set the flag to backflush the

material on the job, but everytime it pulls in the method the

backflush checkbox is unchecked even though the material is checked

on the MOM. I have tried several configurations to get it to work

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