Backflushing Material

system · February 2, 2007, 4:40am

Do you have all your partplant records set to backflush too. Also check
the job material line has had the backflush flag carried over from the
part master when you created the job

Gary

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jill Pleau
Sent: 01 February 2007 13:45
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material

We've recently started using the backflush function. Here are the
instructions that we received from tech support. 'Your material must be
linked (related) to a sequence that will not have labor reported against
it. In addition, the "Labor Entry" option on this related sequence must
be set to 'backflush' and the operation immediately following it must
NOT be a subcontract or the Final operation since it is the labor
transaction of the second sequence that will trigger the backflush.

We've found that after following all these steps the backflush function
works 25 - 30% of the time.

HTH,

Jill Pleau
Mid-State Machine Products

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system · June 27, 2005, 11:35am

I am trying to backflush material on a work order... what trigger causes the backflush to occur....
I have a work order with one item on the list of bill of material that is checked as backflush.
I tried to complete each line with the total qty.
I tried to post to stock
I tried to create a packing slip
I completed the work order
None of which caused the material to backflush.

system · June 27, 2005, 2:49pm

Backflushing can be fussy.

Normally the material will be associated with an operation and the material will have been
marked as backflush

The operation will be either Backflush or quantity only. If the material is associated with a
backflush operation, then a subsequent operation should be quantity only.

Entering the quantity completed through the labor detail screen for the quantity only operation
starts the process.

Completing and closing the job backflushes the material.

There is a check box for backflush on the job closing screen. We have found that we need to be
sure to click this checkbox. This assures that any material on the job, whether associated
with an operation or not, will get backflushed.

Carl Heeder
ST Inverter America
281-506-3146
Mobile: 281-221-3421
FAX 978-725-3057

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I am trying to backflush material on a work order... what trigger causes the backflush to
occur....
I have a work order with one item on the list of bill of material that is checked as backflush.
I tried to complete each line with the total qty.
I tried to post to stock
I tried to create a packing slip
I completed the work order
None of which caused the material to backflush.

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system · June 27, 2005, 2:59pm

So it will not work if final parts are posted to stores because you would post them to stores or ship them before you complete and close them.... and then the cost would fall to variance.. or am I missing something

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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Vantage] Backflushing Material

Backflushing can be fussy.

Normally the material will be associated with an operation and the material will have been
marked as backflush

The operation will be either Backflush or quantity only. If the material is associated with a
backflush operation, then a subsequent operation should be quantity only.

Entering the quantity completed through the labor detail screen for the quantity only operation
starts the process.

Completing and closing the job backflushes the material.

There is a check box for backflush on the job closing screen. We have found that we need to be
sure to click this checkbox. This assures that any material on the job, whether associated
with an operation or not, will get backflushed.

Carl Heeder
ST Inverter America
281-506-3146
Mobile: 281-221-3421
FAX 978-725-3057

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Stephanie" To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
<sgeary@... cc:
m> Subject: [Vantage] Backflushing Material
Sent by:
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06/27/2005 10:34
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Please respond to
vantage

I am trying to backflush material on a work order... what trigger causes the backflush to
occur....
I have a work order with one item on the list of bill of material that is checked as backflush.
I tried to complete each line with the total qty.
I tried to post to stock
I tried to create a packing slip
I completed the work order
None of which caused the material to backflush.

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system · January 29, 2007, 6:25pm

Vantage Users Group,

We have both assembly line builds and bench builds for our manufacturing
process. Assembly lines have point of use parts and the bench build
items are picked by the stock room. We would like our assembly lines to
backflush the material but not our bench builds. The issue is that we
have the same part numbers that are used on both assembly and bench
build. Vantage can set backflushing at the part master or at the job.
We don't want to change at each job. Does anyone have a workaround for
this without creating two part numbers for the same part in the system?

Thanks,

John Froehlich
IT Project Manager

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system · January 30, 2007, 3:45am

We would also like to learn how to do this. We have a requirement for
the same part to be backflushed in some circumstances and not in
others. It seems to be such obvious functionality to have, yet it is
not there in Vantage 8.

Jonny

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "John Froehlich" <john.froehlich@...>
wrote:

>
> Vantage Users Group,
>
> We have both assembly line builds and bench builds for our

manufacturing

> process. Assembly lines have point of use parts and the bench build
> items are picked by the stock room. We would like our assembly

lines to

> backflush the material but not our bench builds. The issue is that

we

> have the same part numbers that are used on both assembly and bench
> build. Vantage can set backflushing at the part master or at the

job.

> We don't want to change at each job. Does anyone have a workaround

for

> this without creating two part numbers for the same part in the

system?

>
> Thanks,
>
> John Froehlich
> IT Project Manager
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · January 30, 2007, 8:36am

I do not know if anyone has a workaround for this, but the Vantage training
manual specifically states that this is not possible, and that a big mistake
with accurate accounting of everything is attempting to have a part number
that is flushed sometimes. Therefore, they state in the manual to mark an
item as backflushed if it is to always be so.
IF you do not mark it as backflushed, like I have to not do for serialized
items, you can get a sum of the non-issued material in the job closing
screen, and then "flush / issue" them then.

Carey

>From: "jonnyfatman666" <jonathan.waines@...>
>Reply-To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:44:29 -0000
>
>We would also like to learn how to do this. We have a requirement for
>the same part to be backflushed in some circumstances and not in
>others. It seems to be such obvious functionality to have, yet it is
>not there in Vantage 8.
>
>Jonny
>
>--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "John Froehlich" <john.froehlich@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > Vantage Users Group,
> >
> > We have both assembly line builds and bench builds for our
>manufacturing
> > process. Assembly lines have point of use parts and the bench build
> > items are picked by the stock room. We would like our assembly
>lines to
> > backflush the material but not our bench builds. The issue is that
>we
> > have the same part numbers that are used on both assembly and bench
> > build. Vantage can set backflushing at the part master or at the
>job.
> > We don't want to change at each job. Does anyone have a workaround
>for
> > this without creating two part numbers for the same part in the
>system?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Froehlich
> > IT Project Manager
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

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system · January 30, 2007, 9:23am

Is this a change in philosophy on how to set up parts? We set up almost all
are parts as backflushed in the part master in case they may be incorporated
to a kit of some kind. On the job when you have a material related to an
operation you can set up that material to be backflushed or not. If you are
using the bom or job templates you only have to set this once. We use the
operation to determine if we are going to backflush not the part.

Jim

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Carey S
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material

I do not know if anyone has a workaround for this, but the Vantage training
manual specifically states that this is not possible, and that a big mistake

with accurate accounting of everything is attempting to have a part number
that is flushed sometimes. Therefore, they state in the manual to mark an
item as backflushed if it is to always be so.
IF you do not mark it as backflushed, like I have to not do for serialized
items, you can get a sum of the non-issued material in the job closing
screen, and then "flush / issue" them then.

Carey

>From: "jonnyfatman666" <jonathan.waines@

<mailto:jonathan.waines%40rtkinstruments.com> rtkinstruments.com>

>Reply-To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
>To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
>Subject: [Vantage] Re: Backflushing Material
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:44:29 -0000
>
>We would also like to learn how to do this. We have a requirement for
>the same part to be backflushed in some circumstances and not in
>others. It seems to be such obvious functionality to have, yet it is
>not there in Vantage 8.
>
>Jonny
>
>--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "John

Froehlich" <john.froehlich@...>

>wrote:
> >
> > Vantage Users Group,
> >
> > We have both assembly line builds and bench builds for our
>manufacturing
> > process. Assembly lines have point of use parts and the bench build
> > items are picked by the stock room. We would like our assembly
>lines to
> > backflush the material but not our bench builds. The issue is that
>we
> > have the same part numbers that are used on both assembly and bench
> > build. Vantage can set backflushing at the part master or at the
>job.
> > We don't want to change at each job. Does anyone have a workaround
>for
> > this without creating two part numbers for the same part in the
>system?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Froehlich
> > IT Project Manager

.

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system · January 31, 2007, 7:54am

To my knowledge, in Vantage 8.00, an item checked as backflush will do
so upon labor entry provided that the item is tied to the labor
operation in the MOM. (This may be stating the obvoius, but the item
must have been designated "backflush" prior to the work order having
been cut). Another method is to check Backflush upon order completion,
this will backflush such designated items at that time.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Geary, Stephanie" <sgeary@...> wrote:
>
>
> I am trying to backflush material on a work order... what trigger
causes the backflush to occur....
> I have a work order with one item on the list of bill of material
that is checked as backflush.
> I tried to complete each line with the total qty.
> I tried to post to stock
> I tried to create a packing slip
> I completed the work order
> None of which caused the material to backflush.
>

system · January 31, 2007, 11:47am

Excuse my nitpicking, but the material does not backflush until you
complete a quantity, regardless of how many hours or many times the
operator has logged in to an operation. The amount backflushed
corresponds to the quantity completed on that operation. Also - if
you do not tie material to a specific operation (ie OP 0), the
material will not backflush since there is no operation quantity to
complete for that material.

Rich J
ERMC

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mikenkay@...> wrote:
>
> To my knowledge, in Vantage 8.00, an item checked as backflush
will do
> so upon labor entry provided that the item is tied to the labor
> operation in the MOM. (This may be stating the obvoius, but the
item
> must have been designated "backflush" prior to the work order
having
> been cut). Another method is to check Backflush upon order
completion,
> this will backflush such designated items at that time.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Geary, Stephanie" <sgeary@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am trying to backflush material on a work order... what
trigger
> causes the backflush to occur....
> > I have a work order with one item on the list of bill of
material
> that is checked as backflush.
> > I tried to complete each line with the total qty.
> > I tried to post to stock
> > I tried to create a packing slip
> > I completed the work order
> > None of which caused the material to backflush.
> >
>

system · February 1, 2007, 8:47am

We've recently started using the backflush function. Here are the
instructions that we received from tech support. 'Your material must be
linked (related) to a sequence that will not have labor reported against
it. In addition, the "Labor Entry" option on this related sequence must
be set to 'backflush' and the operation immediately following it must
NOT be a subcontract or the Final operation since it is the labor
transaction of the second sequence that will trigger the backflush.

We've found that after following all these steps the backflush function
works 25 - 30% of the time.

HTH,

Jill Pleau
Mid-State Machine Products

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system · February 1, 2007, 9:13am

That information looks confusing to me - but I guess Epicor is the
expert ( and probably why it only works 25% of the time).

Rich J
ERMC

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jill Pleau" <jpleau@...> wrote:
>
> We've recently started using the backflush function. Here are the
> instructions that we received from tech support. 'Your material
must be
> linked (related) to a sequence that will not have labor reported
against
> it. In addition, the "Labor Entry" option on this related
sequence must
> be set to 'backflush' and the operation immediately following it
must
> NOT be a subcontract or the Final operation since it is the labor
> transaction of the second sequence that will trigger the backflush.
>
> We've found that after following all these steps the backflush
function
> works 25 - 30% of the time.
>
> HTH,
>
> Jill Pleau
> Mid-State Machine Products
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

system · February 1, 2007, 10:43am

I believe there is confusion here between backflushing material and
backflushing labor. The instructions from Epicor support are for
labor.

Dave Thomas

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "ermc_v" <rjohnson@...> wrote:
>
> That information looks confusing to me - but I guess Epicor is the
> expert ( and probably why it only works 25% of the time).
>
> Rich J
> ERMC
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jill Pleau" <jpleau@> wrote:
> >
> > We've recently started using the backflush function. Here are
the
> > instructions that we received from tech support. 'Your material
> must be
> > linked (related) to a sequence that will not have labor reported
> against
> > it. In addition, the "Labor Entry" option on this related
> sequence must
> > be set to 'backflush' and the operation immediately following it
> must
> > NOT be a subcontract or the Final operation since it is the labor
> > transaction of the second sequence that will trigger the
backflush.
> >
> > We've found that after following all these steps the backflush
> function
> > works 25 - 30% of the time.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Jill Pleau
> > Mid-State Machine Products
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>