Changing Vantage Server IP Address

system · January 24, 2002, 12:52pm

They run on Windows NT server or 2000 Server and act as a proxy server to
the internet. You can set usage limits with them and who can access the
outside. The machines they are installed on are dual NICed so that one NIC
points to a router for the outside and one NIC points to you inside internet
address. It is just another layer of protection.

ISA Server can also be configured to act as a firewall and you can add
something like SurfControl to block access to sites you don't want some
users or any users accessing.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:09 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

We're not using them. Are they stand-alone packages?

-----Original Message-----
From: Cole, Dave [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:39 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Gary,

Do you use MS Proxy Server or ISA (Internet Security & Acceleration Server)?
You can block it for those machines with those products.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Thanks Dave, and thank Rob for me. I do have DHCP and WINS. The reason I
wondered about this, is that I have quite a few static IP's assigned to W2K
workstations that are out where anyone could access them easily. To avoid
unauthorized internet use, I assigned a static IP to these W2K workstations
and gave them a bogus router IP address. Seemed like the simplest way out
at the time. Maybe there's a better way to handle that part.

Thanks for the legwork,
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Cole, Dave [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:14 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Gary,

I talked to a network expert friend of mine (he teaches MCSE classes) and he
had the following to say:

Quote.

As far as your HOSTS file question, there's no way to point workstations to
a single HOSTS file, they each require their own. The only possible
solution I can think of is to make use of the administrative shares on the
workstations (assuming they're all NT based) and do the following:

Keep the "master" HOSTS file on a workstation or server. Write a .bat or
.cmd file that when run from the machine which contains a copy of the
"master" HOSTS file would 1.) go out and delete the HOSTS file from every
workstation on the network using the C$ share, and 2.) copy the "master"
hosts file out to all of the workstations to replace the deleted one.

In order for this to work all of the workstations must be on the network at
the time the batch file is run. I use a method similar to this one to batch
copy practice files for our end-user courses to the student machines so that
we don't have to copy files one machine at a time for every class we set up.

Unquote.

The preceding from Rob Jaramillo, ExecuTrain Indianapolis.

If you need it, Rob said he could send me a sample of this batch file.

I was mistaken, it is the LMHOSTS file that you can use an include file.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Dave,

How do you work the pointing?

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Cole, Dave [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:12 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Todd,

If you are going to us static IP's and HOSTS files, you should set the HOSTS
files to point to one MASTER host file. That way, when you add a new PC you
only have to change one file.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:08 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

We did this exact thing. ISP assigned IP address to our firewall (as
opposed to dual NIC) and non-routable IP addresses everywhere internally.
Not using DHCP so when we IP'd each PC I popped in a diskette with a .BAT
routine to delete and copy in a new HOSTS file. Two of us going to each of
60 PCs took about 2hrs on a Sat. incl. boot-up/shutdown of each. Now we
will never run out of IP addresses and saved money with ISP bay having a
smaller range (4 numbers). And, as said, with NAT we are more secure. With
static IPs when someone calls and can't connect I can try to ping them and
have them check wires before leaving my desk.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Spriggle [mailto:rspriggle@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Or similar to what Dave said with the dual NICs in the server, if you have a
firewall or proxy you could set up a NAT and keep your IP addressing scheme
the same internally and use the new IP addressing for the T1 externally.
That would require no changes at all except to configure the NAT. Anymore
this is the preferred way to do a connection anyway because it doesn't show
your internal IP addresses to the rest of the world and minimizes the ever
dwindling number of "real" IP addresses your ISP has to assign to you.

Rick

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system · January 24, 2002, 1:28pm

Thanks Dave. That's the beauty of this list. You learn all kinds of
things. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Cole, Dave [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:54 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

They run on Windows NT server or 2000 Server and act as a proxy server to
the internet. You can set usage limits with them and who can access the
outside. The machines they are installed on are dual NICed so that one NIC
points to a router for the outside and one NIC points to you inside internet
address. It is just another layer of protection.

ISA Server can also be configured to act as a firewall and you can add
something like SurfControl to block access to sites you don't want some
users or any users accessing.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:09 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

We're not using them. Are they stand-alone packages?

-----Original Message-----
From: Cole, Dave [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:39 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Gary,

Do you use MS Proxy Server or ISA (Internet Security & Acceleration Server)?
You can block it for those machines with those products.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Thanks Dave, and thank Rob for me. I do have DHCP and WINS. The reason I
wondered about this, is that I have quite a few static IP's assigned to W2K
workstations that are out where anyone could access them easily. To avoid
unauthorized internet use, I assigned a static IP to these W2K workstations
and gave them a bogus router IP address. Seemed like the simplest way out
at the time. Maybe there's a better way to handle that part.

Thanks for the legwork,
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Cole, Dave [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:14 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Gary,

I talked to a network expert friend of mine (he teaches MCSE classes) and he
had the following to say:

Quote.

As far as your HOSTS file question, there's no way to point workstations to
a single HOSTS file, they each require their own. The only possible
solution I can think of is to make use of the administrative shares on the
workstations (assuming they're all NT based) and do the following:

Keep the "master" HOSTS file on a workstation or server. Write a .bat or
.cmd file that when run from the machine which contains a copy of the
"master" HOSTS file would 1.) go out and delete the HOSTS file from every
workstation on the network using the C$ share, and 2.) copy the "master"
hosts file out to all of the workstations to replace the deleted one.

In order for this to work all of the workstations must be on the network at
the time the batch file is run. I use a method similar to this one to batch
copy practice files for our end-user courses to the student machines so that
we don't have to copy files one machine at a time for every class we set up.

Unquote.

The preceding from Rob Jaramillo, ExecuTrain Indianapolis.

If you need it, Rob said he could send me a sample of this batch file.

I was mistaken, it is the LMHOSTS file that you can use an include file.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Dave,

How do you work the pointing?

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Cole, Dave [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:12 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Todd,

If you are going to us static IP's and HOSTS files, you should set the HOSTS
files to point to one MASTER host file. That way, when you add a new PC you
only have to change one file.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:08 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

We did this exact thing. ISP assigned IP address to our firewall (as
opposed to dual NIC) and non-routable IP addresses everywhere internally.
Not using DHCP so when we IP'd each PC I popped in a diskette with a .BAT
routine to delete and copy in a new HOSTS file. Two of us going to each of
60 PCs took about 2hrs on a Sat. incl. boot-up/shutdown of each. Now we
will never run out of IP addresses and saved money with ISP bay having a
smaller range (4 numbers). And, as said, with NAT we are more secure. With
static IPs when someone calls and can't connect I can try to ping them and
have them check wires before leaving my desk.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Spriggle [mailto:rspriggle@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Changing Vantage Server IP Address

Or similar to what Dave said with the dual NICs in the server, if you have a
firewall or proxy you could set up a NAT and keep your IP addressing scheme
the same internally and use the new IP addressing for the T1 externally.
That would require no changes at all except to configure the NAT. Anymore
this is the preferred way to do a connection anyway because it doesn't show
your internal IP addresses to the rest of the world and minimizes the ever
dwindling number of "real" IP addresses your ISP has to assign to you.

Rick

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