Citrix vs Terminal Services vs?

system · February 1, 2011, 9:54am

We also use Riverbed and are very happy with network performance
All sites are connected with a T1 MPLS + dynamic PRI for voice and have no network performance issues
RVBD reduces network traffic for our Epicor 9 application by 75-90% and users will get LAN speeds of over 20Mbps for the Epicor application over the single T1.
RDP traffic does NOT get optimized by RVBD

Motty

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <amoss@...> wrote:
>
> We run two Riverbed Steelhead 1050 units on our MPLS circuit (3MB/3MB) between plants. They do a very good job at optimizing traffic. However by default they do not optimize RDP traffic, because RDP traffic is already compressed and relatively lean (obviously Citrix ICA is leaner). The major benefit is that they are optimizing almost all the other traffic, reducing traffic contention on the circuit, and allowing RDP to not be crowded out.
>
> On a given day we have about 75 RDP sessions active across our private circuit.
>
> This morning I am going to enable the QoS settings that I just configured on these units which will ensure that RDP traffic is guaranteed an appropriate amount of bandwidth. Also, if everything is working smoothly, in a few days I hope to change the RDP traffic from "passthrough" to "optimize" to see what, if any, difference that will make.
>
> There is an interesting post on Riverbeds and RDP by "bgilbert" about half way down the page in this link:
>
> http://community.riverbed.com/t5/Steelhead-Appliance/RDP-Over-terminal-Service-Optimization/td-p/767/page/3
>
>
> Andy Moss
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Stockbridge" <ian.stockbridge@> wrote:
> >
> > Riverbed can improve performance but latency as opposed to bandwidth is the
> > real killer performance wise. Citrix is in theory more efficient than RDP7
> > ar a remote desktop protocol and the Citrix universal print driver has
> > merit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Server 2008 or 2008 R2 can provide a web based solution, but you may have
> > issues with printing when using the "EasyPrint" print driver - especially
> > barcodes / certain crystal reports.
> >
> >
> >
> > We found the best results using the RDP client and printing to network IP
> > printers directly across the VPN.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Ian Stockbridge
> >
> >
> >
> > A+, Network+, Security+, MCP, MCTS, MCSA Security, MCSE Security, MCITP SA,
> > Project+, CCENT, PRINCE2 Practitioner, ITIL V3 Foundation
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

system · January 31, 2011, 11:06am

With our VPN having some connectivity issues, and the possibility of needing to add more remote users, I'm considering adding a Citrix server but am wondering if that is any better solution than Windows Terminal Server, or if there is even a better solution. Anybody have any experiences with these that they can share?
Thanks,
Ed

system · January 31, 2011, 11:08am

Citrix costs a "million dollars" more than Term Serv and gives you little of
any additional functionality. I would go with Term Serv

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On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:06 AM, ed.garbowski@... <
egarbowski@...> wrote:

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>
> With our VPN having some connectivity issues, and the possibility of
> needing to add more remote users, I'm considering adding a Citrix server but
> am wondering if that is any better solution than Windows Terminal Server, or
> if there is even a better solution. Anybody have any experiences with these
> that they can share?
> Thanks,
> Ed
>
>
>

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system · January 31, 2011, 12:42pm

Take a look at Riverbed's Steelhead WAN optimization technology:

http://www.riverbed.com/

Regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:06 AM, ed.garbowski@... wrote:

> With our VPN having some connectivity issues, and the possibility of needing to add more remote users, I'm considering adding a Citrix server but am wondering if that is any better solution than Windows Terminal Server, or if there is even a better solution. Anybody have any experiences with these that they can share?
> Thanks,
> Ed
>
>

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system · January 31, 2011, 3:20pm

Right now we have about 4 users needing full Desktop access, including Vantage office, and another 4 users just needing Vantage office access. There is a possibility of needing to add another 6 full Desktop access users in the future. I'd like to keep it simple to access via Internet Explorer which you can do with Citrix and I've read you can do with Windows Server 2008.

Thanks,
Ed
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cooner_55421
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Citrix vs Terminal Services vs ?

Hi ED,

How many clients?
How do your clients want to connect?
Just Vantage or a full remote desktop?
Are you virtualizing too? Desktops? Vantage servers?

Seems like today the combination's are almost endless.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Barry <mbarry@...> wrote:
>
> Take a look at Riverbed's Steelhead WAN optimization technology:
>
> http://www.riverbed.com/
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Barry
> Aspacia Systems Inc
> 866.566.9600
> 312.803.0730 fax
> http://www.aspacia.com/
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:06 AM, ed.garbowski@... wrote:
>
> > With our VPN having some connectivity issues, and the possibility of needing to add more remote users, I'm considering adding a Citrix server but am wondering if that is any better solution than Windows Terminal Server, or if there is even a better solution. Anybody have any experiences with these that they can share?
> > Thanks,
> > Ed
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>

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system · February 1, 2011, 8:34am

Riverbed can improve performance but latency as opposed to bandwidth is the
real killer performance wise. Citrix is in theory more efficient than RDP7
ar a remote desktop protocol and the Citrix universal print driver has
merit.

Server 2008 or 2008 R2 can provide a web based solution, but you may have
issues with printing when using the "EasyPrint" print driver - especially
barcodes / certain crystal reports.

We found the best results using the RDP client and printing to network IP
printers directly across the VPN.

Kind regards

Ian Stockbridge

A+, Network+, Security+, MCP, MCTS, MCSA Security, MCSE Security, MCITP SA,
Project+, CCENT, PRINCE2 Practitioner, ITIL V3 Foundation

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system · February 1, 2011, 9:17am

We run two Riverbed Steelhead 1050 units on our MPLS circuit (3MB/3MB) between plants. They do a very good job at optimizing traffic. However by default they do not optimize RDP traffic, because RDP traffic is already compressed and relatively lean (obviously Citrix ICA is leaner). The major benefit is that they are optimizing almost all the other traffic, reducing traffic contention on the circuit, and allowing RDP to not be crowded out.

On a given day we have about 75 RDP sessions active across our private circuit.

This morning I am going to enable the QoS settings that I just configured on these units which will ensure that RDP traffic is guaranteed an appropriate amount of bandwidth. Also, if everything is working smoothly, in a few days I hope to change the RDP traffic from "passthrough" to "optimize" to see what, if any, difference that will make.

There is an interesting post on Riverbeds and RDP by "bgilbert" about half way down the page in this link:

http://community.riverbed.com/t5/Steelhead-Appliance/RDP-Over-terminal-Service-Optimization/td-p/767/page/3

Andy Moss

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Stockbridge" <ian.stockbridge@...> wrote:
>
> Riverbed can improve performance but latency as opposed to bandwidth is the
> real killer performance wise. Citrix is in theory more efficient than RDP7
> ar a remote desktop protocol and the Citrix universal print driver has
> merit.
>
>
>
> Server 2008 or 2008 R2 can provide a web based solution, but you may have
> issues with printing when using the "EasyPrint" print driver - especially
> barcodes / certain crystal reports.
>
>
>
> We found the best results using the RDP client and printing to network IP
> printers directly across the VPN.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Ian Stockbridge
>
>
>
> A+, Network+, Security+, MCP, MCTS, MCSA Security, MCSE Security, MCITP SA,
> Project+, CCENT, PRINCE2 Practitioner, ITIL V3 Foundation
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>