Comparable ERP Systems

We converted to 9.04.506c in August. If we had to do it all over again, we would have stayed with Vantage until 9 became more stable by hearing it from FELLOW USERS.

Ed Kowalski
Treasurer
Morton Manufacturing Co.
700 Liberty Drive
Libertyville, IL 60048
847-362-5400 x104
847-362-5434 fax



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We are currently evaluating whether to make the jump from 6.1 to 9.05 or
convert over to another system. We are not entirely dissatisfied with
Vantage/Epicor but have some concerns about the system in terms of
workflow, labor planning and scheduling, collection/analysis of
inspection data (in-process and final), and general system sluggishness.



We are currently looking at Global Shop and IQMS as possible
alternatives. I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on the matter
including any experience with either of these other systems or
suggestions for others.



Thanks,

Todd Gilbert

GCM, Inc.



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Global Shop? Really? They've been around for a while but I've never
thought of them as a "comparable" to Epicor. IQMS is a closer
comparable... When I choose comparables, one of the big variables that
weigh heavy in my due-diligence is the ERP software company's future,
R&D, current size of customer base, new customers per year, and
knowledge infrastructure (consulting, support, user groups, peers).



IMO, if I were to look at comparables for Epicor they would be Infor,
QAD and fast-growing MS Dynamics. QAD isn't suitable for all industries
and is small/not growing, so that may cancel that option. Infor and MS
Dynamics can get very pricey. MS can usually be a little more
aggressive with pricing, however. So that really leaves Epicor and MS
Dynamics (you know MS isn't going anywhere anytime soon). Epicor, out
of the box, is generic enough to be molded to most any industry and meet
their unique business needs.



If pricing is something you're concerned about, I'd be curious about
OpenBravo and OpenERP. I'm not sure about either solution, but it may
warrant some research.



All in all, I've been down this road many times and Epicor still remains
the contendor. Possibly the "best of the worst." There's truly no
perfect ERP solution and they ALL have their issues including the ERP
King, SAP. SAP is the company that gave "ERP" a black-eye with
implementation failures, budget blowouts and consulting nightmares.



You do need to get off 6.1, though. Good luck with your research and
choice!







Vic Drecchio





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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Gilbert
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Comparable ERP Systems





We are currently evaluating whether to make the jump from 6.1 to 9.05 or
convert over to another system. We are not entirely dissatisfied with
Vantage/Epicor but have some concerns about the system in terms of
workflow, labor planning and scheduling, collection/analysis of
inspection data (in-process and final), and general system sluggishness.

We are currently looking at Global Shop and IQMS as possible
alternatives. I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on the matter
including any experience with either of these other systems or
suggestions for others.

Thanks,

Todd Gilbert

GCM, Inc.

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On 11/22/2010 9:29 AM, Todd Gilbert wrote:
> We are currently looking at Global Shop and IQMS as possible
> alternatives. I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on the matter
> including any experience with either of these other systems or

We looked at Global Shop back in 1999 before going with Vantage /
Epicor. I was "for" it, because the purchase and maintenance were
substantially cheaper, and it had good look & feel and all the
functionality we needed, along with ODBC that should have facilitated
all reporting needs. It got poo-pooed by others at the company for a
few reasons: a proprietary / obsolete platform that still had roots in
Cobol and a non standard DB; and lack of customization ability (I
thought this was BS because we were a small company with a lone IT
person (me) and we needed a COTS type package, not an unwieldy
home-grown beast.)

That may have all changed in 11 years, but I looked at their web site
and they seem to a avoid any mention of what platform it's built on.

HTH.

-Wayne
The following spreadsheet compares the features and average costs of 44 ERP
systems on the market. I hope it helps.



http://www.180systems.com/files/ERP-Comparison2009.xls





Gerry Loranger

Systems Administrator

Preformed Line Products

1711 Bishop St. East

Cambridge, ON N1T 1N5

519-740-6666 Ext. 224

Email: <mailto:gloranger@...> gloranger@...

Visit our website at <http://www.preformed.on.ca> www.preformed.on.ca







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Wow - there are many ways to choose an ERP solution. Since there is so much parity these days you have to do it a little differently than in past years. Here is one method that I have had success with in the past.

Compile a needs analysis document and compare function for function between the top 6-8 in your market space. Rank each function/feature in terms of its importance to your organization. Some critical features must be there or the application falls out of contention immediately while others are simply nice to have. Factor in the pricing variable and you can rank them. Do your homework here and you can logically choose the top 3. You aren't looking for the one to puchase a this phase; you are eliminating those you won't purchase.

My experience suggests that if you narrow it to the top 2-3 at that point that essentially any of them may be the right decision. The most imporant advice that I can give you at that point in the selection is to go and talk with current customers of all the remaining contendors. Talk to LOTS of customers. Don't limit yourself to those supplied as references. Be creative and you will find ways to contact more customers than you can imagine. Your main objective here is to find out how satisfied they are with the ongoing support. Use this information to drive your final decision. Support is all too often underestimated in the purchase decision and I believe that it is the most important part of a decision once you have found 2-3 solutions that functionally fit the enterprise.
Good luck!
Dale.





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