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If they are set as 'Materials', ie, the Pull as Assembly checkboxes are
un-checked, then they will generate orders to make the parts. If they
are coming into the order as subassemblies, then they should have the
standard MOM for the actual part number being put in there. That is the
exact way we do things.

Are you 'getting details' on the job when they come across without the
MOM on them? We had that type of issue if we went back into the
Configurator setup and modified some of the code in there, it would then
run MRP but not give us the MOM and subassemblies it was supposed to.
You can try a delete all at the top level, then get details manually to
see if you get an error back from that process or not. If it does work
manually then I would get with Epicor about the issue. I am in
discussions with them right now because of a similar situation, but in
our case we do a quote which already has the details on it for some
custom issues, but the MRP is not pulling in the details from the quote
like it should.


Paul Millsaps
Time Manufacturing
254.399.2170
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Of gmack110256
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] configurator



i will give an example of what we are doing. we have a placeholder for
part "svertical", it pulls in 1 of 6 different parts. the parts being
pulled in have operations and materials atttached to them. when the
configurator is ran it fills in the placholder with the proper part
but does not pull in the operations or material requirements with the
chossen part.

the placeholders themselves do not have any operations attached to
them.

when a job is produced against the order for the configured part it
only list the parts required for the configuration. Does each of
these parts pulled in have to have it's own job created to
manufactured it? I am very new at trying to make this work an any
pointers would be greatly apperciated.

Gene






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we are currently developing a configurator that uses material
placeholders and fills them in with various parts based on input. the
parts it brings in have manufacturing processes applied to them. my
question is when the configured part is put into a sales order and
then a job is produced for it none of the opertaions for the parts
came thru.

if i try to set them up as pull assembly, the system wants me to apply
an operation the the "placeholder part".

is there a step i am missing to get the operations to chase with the
part thru the placeholder.

thank you

gene
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 Are you applying 'keep when ' rules to the operations? Or the materials they are associated with?

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From: gmack110256 <genemack@...>
Subject: [Vantage] configurator
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 1:48 PM






we are currently developing a configurator that uses material
placeholders and fills them in with various parts based on input. the
parts it brings in have manufacturing processes applied to them. my
question is when the configured part is put into a sales order and
then a job is produced for it none of the opertaions for the parts
came thru.

if i try to set them up as pull assembly, the system wants me to apply
an operation the the "placeholder part".

is there a step i am missing to get the operations to chase with the
part thru the placeholder.

thank you

gene


















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> we are currently developing a configurator that uses material
> placeholders and fills them in with various parts based on input. the
> parts it brings in have manufacturing processes applied to them. my
> question is when the configured part is put into a sales order and
> then a job is produced for it none of the opertaions for the parts
> came thru.
>
> if i try to set them up as pull assembly, the system wants me to apply
> an operation the the "placeholder part".
>
> is there a step i am missing to get the operations to chase with the
> part thru the placeholder.

Are your parts sub-assemblies then?

Mark W.
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Are the Placeholder parts listed under an operation?



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From: gmack110256 <genemack@...>
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Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:48:37 PM
Subject: [Vantage] configurator


we are currently developing a configurator that uses material
placeholders and fills them in with various parts based on input. the
parts it brings in have manufacturing processes applied to them. my
question is when the configured part is put into a sales order and
then a job is produced for it none of the opertaions for the parts
came thru.

if i try to set them up as pull assembly, the system wants me to apply
an operation the the "placeholder part".

is there a step i am missing to get the operations to chase with the
part thru the placeholder.

thank you

gene






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the place holders are under a pack operation, there are no
manufacturing operattions tied to the placeholders


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> Are the Placeholder parts listed under an operation?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: gmack110256 <genemack@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:48:37 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] configurator
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>
> we are currently developing a configurator that uses material
> placeholders and fills them in with various parts based on input.
the
> parts it brings in have manufacturing processes applied to them.
my
> question is when the configured part is put into a sales order and
> then a job is produced for it none of the opertaions for the parts
> came thru.
>
> if i try to set them up as pull assembly, the system wants me to
apply
> an operation the the "placeholder part".
>
> is there a step i am missing to get the operations to chase with
the
> part thru the placeholder.
>
> thank you
>
> gene
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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have you used the rule to "Get Part Defaults"? I am assuming this is
a material.

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> the place holders are under a pack operation, there are no
> manufacturing operattions tied to the placeholders
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Are the Placeholder parts listed under an operation?
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: gmack110256 <genemack@>
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:48:37 PM
> > Subject: [Vantage] configurator
> >
> >
> > we are currently developing a configurator that uses material
> > placeholders and fills them in with various parts based on input.
> the
> > parts it brings in have manufacturing processes applied to them.
> my
> > question is when the configured part is put into a sales order
and
> > then a job is produced for it none of the opertaions for the
parts
> > came thru.
> >
> > if i try to set them up as pull assembly, the system wants me to
> apply
> > an operation the the "placeholder part".
> >
> > is there a step i am missing to get the operations to chase with
> the
> > part thru the placeholder.
> >
> > thank you
> >
> > gene
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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On our system I have a 'Verification Page' at the back that lists all of
the sub-assemblies they will get as part of the configuration, then use
this set of rules to bring in the details as a Sub-Assembly:

10 Keep When Not (P80_P010 Matches "")
20 Set Field JobAsmbl.PartNum = P80_P010
30 Set Field QuoteAsm.PartNum = P80_P010
40 Rule Function GetPartDefaults()
50 Set Field QuoteAsm.Number02 = P80_L010
60 Set Field JobAsmbl.Number02 = P80_L010
70 Set Field QuoteAsm.QtyPer = P80_Q010
80 Set Field JobAsmbl.QtyPer = P80_Q010

In our system, I am using the _P010 as the Part Number, the _L010 is the
List Price, and the QtyPer is normally set to 1, except for certain
parts we have set up on the verification to work off combo boxes for
quantities.

All of the Option numbers are derived from csv file lookups, based upon
selection criteria.

Here is an old set of rules we used to use without a verification page:

10 Store "" in CalculateCA
20 Call Program \\Cosmo\epicor\mfgsys80\server\ud\Test\filelookup.p(UNIT
+ "Options\Option-CA.csv","Option",P01_CMB_DECALOPT +
P20_CMB_PLATFORMCAPACITY,Output CalculateCA)
50 Keep When Not (CalculateCA Matches "")
60 Set Field JobAsmbl.PartNum = CalculateCA
70 Set Field QuoteAsm.PartNum = CalculateCA
80 Store "" in DescriptionCA
90 Call Program
\\Cosmo\epicor\mfgsys80\server\ud\Test\ModifiedGetTableData.p("part","pa
rtdescription","",CalculateCA,"","part.partnum = <var1>",output
DescriptionCA)
100 Set Field QuoteAsm.Description = DescriptionCA
110 Set Field JobAsmbl.Description = DescriptionCA

The rules would actually do lookups into the CSV files and put option
numbers into the PlaceHolder subassembly. The get details process would
then get the MOM for the subassembly level based upon the part pushed
into it. We probably could have used the rule function to get the
description and stuff back then, but we didn't know about that back when
we first started :)

We went to the verification page to allow us to lock down the Option
Numbers generated by the system, especially since it could be 6-9 months
from the time a unit was entered to the time MRP actually generated the
final Job we end up using to make the unit.

I hope that helps with what you are doing.


Paul Millsaps
Time Manufacturing
254.399.2170
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of gmack110256
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] configurator



we are currently developing a configurator that uses material
placeholders and fills them in with various parts based on input. the
parts it brings in have manufacturing processes applied to them. my
question is when the configured part is put into a sales order and
then a job is produced for it none of the opertaions for the parts
came thru.

if i try to set them up as pull assembly, the system wants me to apply
an operation the the "placeholder part".

is there a step i am missing to get the operations to chase with the
part thru the placeholder.

thank you

gene






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i will give an example of what we are doing. we have a placeholder for
part "svertical", it pulls in 1 of 6 different parts. the parts being
pulled in have operations and materials atttached to them. when the
configurator is ran it fills in the placholder with the proper part
but does not pull in the operations or material requirements with the
chossen part.

the placeholders themselves do not have any operations attached to
them.

when a job is produced against the order for the configured part it
only list the parts required for the configuration. Does each of
these parts pulled in have to have it's own job created to
manufactured it? I am very new at trying to make this work an any
pointers would be greatly apperciated.

Gene
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> when a job is produced against the order for the configured part it
> only list the parts required for the configuration. Does each of
> these parts pulled in have to have it's own job created to
> manufactured it? I am very new at trying to make this work an any
> pointers would be greatly apperciated.

The answer is: it depends. Are you making these parts separately or at the
same time as the rest of the product?

If you are making them separately, you can make these replaced-parts
sub-assemblies. Sub-assemblies use the same work order but have a different
assembly number. When the subassembly is finished, it goes to the final
assembly. It's still on just one job number. You manipulate the Pull As
Assembly flag to treat that part as an assembly.

If you are making these at the same time, you can add all of the possible
operations for those six parts on your substitute part and use "Keep When"
rules to include the operation (or change the run-times) using the same
logic used to select the part numbers. It's important to note that the rules
are attached to the sequence numbers and not the parts themselves. This is
what makes this possible. So don't play around too much with the
"resequence" command in the Engineering Workbench if you can help it.

Mark W.