Department size?

David,

We are somewhat close to you in employees and are hiring
more every month. Right now we are near 1200 employees, to
hire another 200-400 in the next 3 months. But we do not
have that many users to support. Right now at 180, but will
probably go up to 250-300 soon.

We have two facilities one in Florida (about 200 - 300 users
to support) and the new one in Alabama (the new one will
have about 100 users to support).

We have a Director, a Manager, me and one programmer, and
two PC guys that run around ragged everyday. We only have
approval to hire one more person immediately to help the
ragged.

We won't start implementing version 8 until sometime next
year. Need to get better equipment in place.

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of David Nash
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


Once again, I have been surprised by the size of
average companies
using Vantage. I would have thought there were some
bigger implementations
posting to this list. We are about halfway through the
first phase of
implementing Vantage 8. Our company has about 1500
employees in the US
(about 400 outside the states). We have about 650 users
to support. I run
over 40 servers, 100 network switches, hundreds of
printers/copiers,
thousands of phones, etc. I have been told frequently
that our IT staff is
undersized. We currently have eight full time employees
consisting of two
developers, a network administrator, a
telecommunications/help desk manager,
three help desk technicians, and myself (IS Manager,
database admin, system
admin, and development). We are currently searching for
more help in
development as well. At this point in the implementation,
I feel that we
are almost adequately staffed. However, we will need some
development
support when we start to implement manufacturing and
inventory.


--David Nash
Information Systems Manager
The GSI Group
daven@...
ph: 217.226.5082
fx: 217.226.6082

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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?

So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage
world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in
the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700
employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But my unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site, brochure design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or 150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+ employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little "development" or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff as long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4 -5 people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula" for the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors (locations, # production employees, # technical employees, development/customization, industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who "knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site, brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little "development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4 -5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula" for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors (locations,
# production employees, # technical employees, development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do the
network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw material
receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI, and the
Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and management thinks
I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

_____

From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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Just curious ... Why do you do the material receiving?

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do the
network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw material
receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI, and the
Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and management thinks
I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

_____

From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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Oddly enough, when I was a consultant once, I once worked at a company
in Northern NJ that sold India/Pakistani foods - and after I fixed all
their network and PC issues, they gave me boxes of rice, etc.!

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

_____

From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do
the
network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw material
receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI, and the
Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and management
thinks
I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

_____

From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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have
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and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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I was recently paid for a side job in Chocolate Chip cookies....I'm not
kidding.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Oddly enough, when I was a consultant once, I once worked at a company
in Northern NJ that sold India/Pakistani foods - and after I fixed all
their network and PC issues, they gave me boxes of rice, etc.!

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do
the network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw
material receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI,
and the Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and
management thinks I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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Long story to Short Story,
1. Labor strike, I helped out because I knew the process through
working with the bargaining unit.
2. Labor strike ended, management was suspicious of bargaining unit
access to computers.
3. Material receiving suddenly appeared on Shirley's job description.
Unfortunately, work ethic won't let me do a bad job.

Shirley

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Just curious ... Why do you do the material receiving?

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Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do the
network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw material
receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI, and the
Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and management thinks
I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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Well boxes are better than bags.

Shirley

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Hofert
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

I was recently paid for a side job in Chocolate Chip cookies....I'm not
kidding.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Oddly enough, when I was a consultant once, I once worked at a company
in Northern NJ that sold India/Pakistani foods - and after I fixed all
their network and PC issues, they gave me boxes of rice, etc.!

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do
the network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw
material receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI,
and the Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and
management thinks I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

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Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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That sounds familiar!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


Long story to Short Story,
1. Labor strike, I helped out because I knew the process through
working with the bargaining unit.
2. Labor strike ended, management was suspicious of bargaining unit
access to computers.
3. Material receiving suddenly appeared on Shirley's job description.
Unfortunately, work ethic won't let me do a bad job.

Shirley

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Just curious ... Why do you do the material receiving?

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do the
network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw material
receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI, and the
Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and management thinks
I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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Well if we are all showing off, I might as well join the club.
I have 7 servers (Web, Exchange, Vantage, SQL, Citrix), 98 workstations,
and growing at about 2-3 a month.
I manage the computers, phones, alarm system, fire protection system,
printers (MFP's included) so I have over 130 active nodes, EDI;
generally anything electronic is under me. I am fortunate that most
reports are written, but mods and stuff still end up in my hands. I
won't even mention the way V is used here and the many issues that I'm
working out in the security and access structure.
And I also am alone, with occasional help from a consultant, that I use
in disaster situations when I have 8956356789563 things to do at once.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com
ph. (708) 865 7500
fx. (708) 865 7632
cl. (708) 259 4864

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Oddly enough, when I was a consultant once, I once worked at a company
in Northern NJ that sold India/Pakistani foods - and after I fixed all
their network and PC issues, they gave me boxes of rice, etc.!

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do
the
network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw material
receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI, and the
Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and management
thinks
I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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Lost the last paragraph in translation:

I get paid less than 50% of industry standard in my position, and my
employer thinks I have it made.

Thomas Wojewoda

IS Manager

Principal Manufacturing Corp.

2800 South 19th Ave.

Broadview, IL 60155

http://www.principalmfg.com

ph. (708) 865 7500

fx. (708) 865 7632

cl. (708) 259 4864


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Well if we are all showing off, I might as well join the club.
I have 7 servers (Web, Exchange, Vantage, SQL, Citrix), 98 workstations,
and growing at about 2-3 a month.
I manage the computers, phones, alarm system, fire protection system,
printers (MFP's included) so I have over 130 active nodes, EDI;
generally anything electronic is under me. I am fortunate that most
reports are written, but mods and stuff still end up in my hands. I
won't even mention the way V is used here and the many issues that I'm
working out in the security and access structure.
And I also am alone, with occasional help from a consultant, that I use
in disaster situations when I have 8956356789563 things to do at once.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com
ph. (708) 865 7500
fx. (708) 865 7632
cl. (708) 259 4864

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Oddly enough, when I was a consultant once, I once worked at a company
in Northern NJ that sold India/Pakistani foods - and after I fixed all
their network and PC issues, they gave me boxes of rice, etc.!

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

_____

From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do
the
network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw material
receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI, and the
Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and management
thinks
I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

_____

From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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These are the days when I must repeat the mantra:

I LOVE MY JOB! I love MY job! I LOVE my job! I love my JOB!!

Face it, all employers think we have it made.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Wojewoda [mailto:twojewoda@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


Well if we are all showing off, I might as well join the club.
I have 7 servers (Web, Exchange, Vantage, SQL, Citrix), 98 workstations,
and growing at about 2-3 a month.
I manage the computers, phones, alarm system, fire protection system,
printers (MFP's included) so I have over 130 active nodes, EDI;
generally anything electronic is under me. I am fortunate that most
reports are written, but mods and stuff still end up in my hands. I
won't even mention the way V is used here and the many issues that I'm
working out in the security and access structure.
And I also am alone, with occasional help from a consultant, that I use
in disaster situations when I have 8956356789563 things to do at once.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com
ph. (708) 865 7500
fx. (708) 865 7632
cl. (708) 259 4864

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Oddly enough, when I was a consultant once, I once worked at a company
in Northern NJ that sold India/Pakistani foods - and after I fixed all
their network and PC issues, they gave me boxes of rice, etc.!

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

_____

From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do
the
network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw material
receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI, and the
Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and management
thinks
I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

_____

From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

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Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Lydia Coffman
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


These are the days when I must repeat the mantra:

I LOVE MY JOB! I love MY job! I LOVE my job! I love my JOB!!

Face it, all employers think we have it made.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Wojewoda [mailto:twojewoda@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


Well if we are all showing off, I might as well join the club.
I have 7 servers (Web, Exchange, Vantage, SQL, Citrix), 98 workstations,
and growing at about 2-3 a month.
I manage the computers, phones, alarm system, fire protection system,
printers (MFP's included) so I have over 130 active nodes, EDI;
generally anything electronic is under me. I am fortunate that most
reports are written, but mods and stuff still end up in my hands. I
won't even mention the way V is used here and the many issues that I'm
working out in the security and access structure.
And I also am alone, with occasional help from a consultant, that I use
in disaster situations when I have 8956356789563 things to do at once.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave.
Broadview, IL 60155
http://www.principalmfg.com
ph. (708) 865 7500
fx. (708) 865 7632
cl. (708) 259 4864

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Oddly enough, when I was a consultant once, I once worked at a company
in Northern NJ that sold India/Pakistani foods - and after I fixed all
their network and PC issues, they gave me boxes of rice, etc.!

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 100 employees, 3 servers, 28 workstations, 1 IT person me, I do
the
network, the phone system, the paging system, the copiers, raw material
receiving, write the quality procedures, ELV reporting, EDI, and the
Presidents band flyers. I get paid in bags of rice, and management
thinks
I'm under worked and overpaid.

Shirley

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Of
Comeau, Steven
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

Right now, we have 200 employees, but about 80 PCs, 12 servers, across 2
sites. I used to be the only one, and we contracted out a lot of
consultants with our old ERP system, but now I have a DBA also who is
taking care of Vantage and does reports, programming, and all DB stuff.
With him coming on, I can focus less on Vantage programming issues, and
more on how Vantage 8 incorporates into the business, as well keeping on
top of all the issues with V8, along with all the other IT support
(Hardware, LAN/WAN, Phone, Telecomm, Cell Phones, Wireless, PDAs,
contracts, and almost anything else that plugs in). We had considered
an 'intern', but once we implemented Vantage 8 and used a consultant for
XTal reports, we decided to hire a DBA full time for all our DB needs.
It was a good hire. We used the consultant so much that it was
beneficial for us to bring him on full time.

Steven Comeau
Manager of Corporate IT Systems
Main Tape
1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
Cranbury, NJ 08512
1-800-526-8273 x332

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From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



We have 80 employees and I'm "IT" also...but I'm supposed to hire a
"part-time" intern next year to chase hardware problems and do all of
those
other things IT related that don't have much to do with Vantage. God
help
me. This is supposed to be a college kid (aka -- works cheap), who
"knows
about computer stuff" (aka created a wireless network at home for his
dad),
and can move printers and such and work three afternoons a week.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?


In my personal situation.....
We have 150 employees and one full time IT staff....me, I'm "IT". But
my
unofficial duties extend to a lot of marketing support (web site,
brochure
design, multi-media presentations, etc....) and a fair bit of strategic
planning and research. So it's hard to say if our ratio is 150-1 or
150-0.8.

But....part of the V8 project is going to involve hiring an assistant to
chase hardware repairs, convert RB to Crystal and to free me up for more
planning and less reacting. Hopefully along the way we grow to 200+
employees (and/or have multiple sites) and can justify the position
permanently.

Big factor for us in our Vantage environment.....very little
"development"
or programming. Vantage can scale up pretty well without a lot of staff
as
long as there is not a lot of development of other systems. This could
change dramatically with V8 customization capabilities.

From conversations at Perspectives.....
I think there are a LOT of half time IT situations (usually Controller
doubles as IT) in companies under 100 employees. On the flip side I've
spoken to a bunch of larger sites (with multiple locations) who have 4
-5
people and need every one of them. My gut feeling is that the "formula"
for
the size of IT staff is less a simple ratio than several factors
(locations,
# production employees, # technical employees,
development/customization,
industry, etc...).

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?


So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?
Once again, I have been surprised by the size of average companies
using Vantage. I would have thought there were some bigger implementations
posting to this list. We are about halfway through the first phase of
implementing Vantage 8. Our company has about 1500 employees in the US
(about 400 outside the states). We have about 650 users to support. I run
over 40 servers, 100 network switches, hundreds of printers/copiers,
thousands of phones, etc. I have been told frequently that our IT staff is
undersized. We currently have eight full time employees consisting of two
developers, a network administrator, a telecommunications/help desk manager,
three help desk technicians, and myself (IS Manager, database admin, system
admin, and development). We are currently searching for more help in
development as well. At this point in the implementation, I feel that we
are almost adequately staffed. However, we will need some development
support when we start to implement manufacturing and inventory.


--David Nash
Information Systems Manager
The GSI Group
daven@...
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fx: 217.226.6082

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:29 PM
To: 'Vantage @ YahooGroups. Com'
Subject: [Vantage] Department size?

So how big is the "average" IT department in the Vantage world?

Number of full time IT folks vs the number of employees in the company?

20 years ago it was, like 15 people in IT vs 600-700 employees ... but
that's back when we used to be "Departments".

3-4 years ago it was about 100-150 to 1.

These days?


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David,



Any projections on the size of your Vantage DB once you go live?



What is your reaction to V8 at this point? Have you started processing
transactions yet?



Given that # of users - what kind of server are running Vantage on?



Did you buy source code? Are you modifying the package via programming or
by simply using the options that are built into Vantage V8?



And . where are you folks located?



Todd



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Nash
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



Once again, I have been surprised by the size of average companies
using Vantage. I would have thought there were some bigger implementations
posting to this list. We are about halfway through the first phase of
implementing Vantage 8. Our company has about 1500 employees in the US
(about 400 outside the states). We have about 650 users to support. I run
over 40 servers, 100 network switches, hundreds of printers/copiers,
thousands of phones, etc. I have been told frequently that our IT staff is
undersized. We currently have eight full time employees consisting of two
developers, a network administrator, a telecommunications/help desk manager,
three help desk technicians, and myself (IS Manager, database admin, system
admin, and development). We are currently searching for more help in
development as well. At this point in the implementation, I feel that we
are almost adequately staffed. However, we will need some development
support when we start to implement manufacturing and inventory.


--David Nash
Information Systems Manager
The GSI Group
daven@...
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fx: 217.226.6082






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The GSI Group
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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Anderson
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?

David,



Any projections on the size of your Vantage DB once you go live?
[DN] We have loaded all 325,000 parts, 1,500,000 BOM records, no customers,
no suppliers, and no G/L stuff and the database is already 7 GB (SQL). I
expect the database to be 9 - 10 GB after we go live, but ever increasing
with new transactions.


What is your reaction to V8 at this point?
[DN] Our initial reaction to V8 is that it is slightly sluggish. I am still
very curious as to what Epicor is going to do to fix this problem. I plan
on migrating to SQL 2005 as soon as possible. I am also looking forward to
Epicor switching to .Net 2.0 along with upgrading the Infragistics controls.

[DN] I was impressed from the beginning with V8's broad feature set. I have
also learned that some of these features are not Epicor developed. In most
cases I don't think that will present us much of a problem. The only thing
that concerns me with these bolt-on modules is the support response times.

[DN] While we are discussing support, I have not had a stellar experience
with V8 support to this point. Of course, being from the systems side of
the business, I have only dealt with technical support. Most people I have
spoken with concerning this subject, include our consultant, feel that we
are extremely advanced and our questions are not easily handled by first
level tech support. We have been doing .Net for several years and had
expected a front end developed in .Net to be more flexible in the
customization area.

[DN] Back to the features... I still think that V8's broad features will
pay off for us in the long run. That is not to say that it has been
sufficient. A few of the deficient areas include sales tax, 1099
processing, finance charges, and costing, just to name a few.

[DN] One thing that has really surprised me is the lack of automation in the
product. I feel that it has been a little difficult for our consultants to
grasp the level of automation we have achieved in our current system. (This
is an "oh, by the way..." for our consultants, if you are listening; more to
come in phase 2 and 3)

Have you started processing transactions yet?
[DN] We have done a two day business simulation with minimal data. That
consisted of a few dozen sales orders, payables invoices, etc. We have not
done any customer invoicing (next week) or shipping. Why do you feel that
doing transactions on our system will present a problem.


Given that # of users - what kind of server are running Vantage on?
[DN] So far our data center has responded fairly well. We have and IBM x366
with four 3.66GHz Hyperthreading Xeon processors, 10GB of super-duper fast
memory, and 400Gb of SAN-attached, 2Gb/sec fiber-channel, RAID 10 drives.


Did you buy source code? Are you modifying the package via programming or
by simply using the options that are built into Vantage V8?
[DN] We did by the SDK which provides us with client side source code. We
are trying to do as much as possible in the customization engine, but have
found it very limited thus far. We are still very early in the
customization process, but expect to get into the client source code before
it is all over.


And . where are you folks located?
[DN] Assumption, IL. Just look for the 1,000,000 square foot building in
the middle of the corn fields...can't miss it.


Todd



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Nash
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Department size?



Once again, I have been surprised by the size of average companies
using Vantage. I would have thought there were some bigger implementations
posting to this list. We are about halfway through the first phase of
implementing Vantage 8. Our company has about 1500 employees in the US
(about 400 outside the states). We have about 650 users to support. I run
over 40 servers, 100 network switches, hundreds of printers/copiers,
thousands of phones, etc. I have been told frequently that our IT staff is
undersized. We currently have eight full time employees consisting of two
developers, a network administrator, a telecommunications/help desk manager,
three help desk technicians, and myself (IS Manager, database admin, system
admin, and development). We are currently searching for more help in
development as well. At this point in the implementation, I feel that we
are almost adequately staffed. However, we will need some development
support when we start to implement manufacturing and inventory.


--David Nash
Information Systems Manager
The GSI Group
daven@...
ph: 217.226.5082
fx: 217.226.6082






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