Dump & Load Instructions (Vantage 6)

Oracle and IBM�s market share of the RDBMS sector vastly exceeds SQL Server if for no other reason than they are not limited to Windows. Gartner�s latest survey puts Oracle at about 32% of the market and IBM at 30% with SQL Server somewhere around 14%. SQL Server is dominant in the Windows market only and it is frankly not that prominent in the upper tier server sector.


Michael

Michael Barry
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On Jun 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Vic Drecchio <vic.drecchio@...> wrote:

> Exactly... Sans Oracle, how popular are the rest? IBM's U2 (Rocket
> Software) and DB2 db's also have other unique characteristics that make them
> a PITA (multi value fields?)
>
> In the evolution of database engines, one thing clustered indexing solved
> was the need to perform D&L's. I didn't realize Oracle still had that
> ability. It just makes no sense, IMO. Perhaps that's why Microsoft SQL,
> MySQL and Postgres have continued the upward db dominance trend while the
> others are drifting away. Again, besides Oracle..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Barry
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:28 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Dump & Load Instructions (Vantage 6)
>
> Hi Vic,
>
> Actually almost all RDBMS's that are not Sybase derivatives have some form
> of export,truncate and reload function for optimizing the database. Oracle,
> DB2, Informix, Versant, et al all have this basic technique for compressing
> and rebuilding the database. Some, including Oracle can even do it online
> on a table by table basis at runtime.
>
> That being said, performance improvements from a D & L with Progress are
> only achieved when performed on a very highly fragmented DB, if then.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Barry
> Aspacia Systems Inc
> 866.566.9600
> 312.803.0730 fax
> http://www.aspacia.com/
>
> > I'm glad someone else said it first.. I saw no improvement after
> performing a D&L. So I won't be doing it again.
> >
> > In the real RDBMS world, there is no such thing as a dump and load. Leave
> it to Progress to be archaic.
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris Thompson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:48 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Dump & Load Instructions (Vantage 6)
> >
> > From what I can gather its just like a defrag for the database.
> >
> > It's meant to improve performance but we have never notices any.
> >
> > Chris Thompson
> >
> > On 11 Jun 2013, at 15:45, "shraderc" <charles.shrader@...
> <mailto:charles.shrader%40gmail.com> > wrote:
> >
> > > Also, what are the advantages of a 'Dump and Load', and is this a
> recommended procedure that should periodically be done for optimization?
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Mike" <mf.zonereed@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
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Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?

Thanks in advance,
Mike
Also, what are the advantages of a 'Dump and Load', and is this a recommended procedure that should periodically be done for optimization?

Chuck

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mf.zonereed@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike
>
From what I can gather its just like a defrag for the database.

It's meant to improve performance but we have never notices any.

Chris Thompson

On 11 Jun 2013, at 15:45, "shraderc" <charles.shrader@...> wrote:

> Also, what are the advantages of a 'Dump and Load', and is this a recommended procedure that should periodically be done for optimization?
>
> Chuck
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mf.zonereed@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Mike
> >
>
>


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We do it when our chnglog table gets too big. In progress and then we
"forget" to restore it during the load LOL


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On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> From what I can gather its just like a defrag for the database.
>
> It's meant to improve performance but we have never notices any.
>
> Chris Thompson
>
>
> On 11 Jun 2013, at 15:45, "shraderc" <charles.shrader@...> wrote:
>
> > Also, what are the advantages of a 'Dump and Load', and is this a
> recommended procedure that should periodically be done for optimization?
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mf.zonereed@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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I’m glad someone else said it first…. I saw no improvement after performing a D&L. So I won’t be doing it again.



In the real RDBMS world, there is no such thing as a dump and load. Leave it to Progress to be archaic.







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Dump & Load Instructions (Vantage 6)





From what I can gather its just like a defrag for the database.

It's meant to improve performance but we have never notices any.

Chris Thompson

On 11 Jun 2013, at 15:45, "shraderc" <charles.shrader@... <mailto:charles.shrader%40gmail.com> > wrote:

> Also, what are the advantages of a 'Dump and Load', and is this a recommended procedure that should periodically be done for optimization?
>
> Chuck
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mike" <mf.zonereed@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Mike
> >
>
>

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Epicor support tend to force you down the D&L track to buy time I think. They don't appreciate the out of hours time involved.

Chris Thompson

On 11 Jun 2013, at 15:51, "Vic Drecchio" <vic.drecchio@...> wrote:

> I’m glad someone else said it first…. I saw no improvement after performing a D&L. So I won’t be doing it again.
>
> In the real RDBMS world, there is no such thing as a dump and load. Leave it to Progress to be archaic.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:48 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Dump & Load Instructions (Vantage 6)
>
> From what I can gather its just like a defrag for the database.
>
> It's meant to improve performance but we have never notices any.
>
> Chris Thompson
>
> On 11 Jun 2013, at 15:45, "shraderc" <charles.shrader@... <mailto:charles.shrader%40gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> > Also, what are the advantages of a 'Dump and Load', and is this a recommended procedure that should periodically be done for optimization?
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mike" <mf.zonereed@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Hi Vic,

Actually almost all RDBMS�s that are not Sybase derivatives have some form of export,truncate and reload function for optimizing the database. Oracle, DB2, Informix, Versant, et al all have this basic technique for compressing and rebuilding the database. Some, including Oracle can even do it online on a table by table basis at runtime.

That being said, performance improvements from a D & L with Progress are only achieved when performed on a very highly fragmented DB, if then.

Regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

> I�m glad someone else said it first�. I saw no improvement after performing a D&L. So I won�t be doing it again.
>
> In the real RDBMS world, there is no such thing as a dump and load. Leave it to Progress to be archaic.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:48 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Dump & Load Instructions (Vantage 6)
>
> From what I can gather its just like a defrag for the database.
>
> It's meant to improve performance but we have never notices any.
>
> Chris Thompson
>
> On 11 Jun 2013, at 15:45, "shraderc" <charles.shrader@... <mailto:charles.shrader%40gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> > Also, what are the advantages of a 'Dump and Load', and is this a recommended procedure that should periodically be done for optimization?
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mike" <mf.zonereed@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Exactly... Sans Oracle, how popular are the rest? IBM's U2 (Rocket
Software) and DB2 db's also have other unique characteristics that make them
a PITA (multi value fields?)

In the evolution of database engines, one thing clustered indexing solved
was the need to perform D&L's. I didn't realize Oracle still had that
ability. It just makes no sense, IMO. Perhaps that's why Microsoft SQL,
MySQL and Postgres have continued the upward db dominance trend while the
others are drifting away. Again, besides Oracle..


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Barry
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Dump & Load Instructions (Vantage 6)

Hi Vic,

Actually almost all RDBMS's that are not Sybase derivatives have some form
of export,truncate and reload function for optimizing the database. Oracle,
DB2, Informix, Versant, et al all have this basic technique for compressing
and rebuilding the database. Some, including Oracle can even do it online
on a table by table basis at runtime.

That being said, performance improvements from a D & L with Progress are
only achieved when performed on a very highly fragmented DB, if then.

Regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

> I'm glad someone else said it first.. I saw no improvement after
performing a D&L. So I won't be doing it again.
>
> In the real RDBMS world, there is no such thing as a dump and load. Leave
it to Progress to be archaic.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:48 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Dump & Load Instructions (Vantage 6)
>
> From what I can gather its just like a defrag for the database.
>
> It's meant to improve performance but we have never notices any.
>
> Chris Thompson
>
> On 11 Jun 2013, at 15:45, "shraderc" <charles.shrader@...
<mailto:charles.shrader%40gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> > Also, what are the advantages of a 'Dump and Load', and is this a
recommended procedure that should periodically be done for optimization?
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Mike" <mf.zonereed@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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It all depends how much scatter there is in your database in the first place and which tables are scattered.

I have done them on many different systems and the difference has been significant on many of them, and other times it has had almost no effect at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Dump & Load Instructions (Vantage 6)

From what I can gather its just like a defrag for the database.

It's meant to improve performance but we have never notices any.

Chris Thompson

On 11 Jun 2013, at 15:45, "shraderc" <charles.shrader@...> wrote:

> Also, what are the advantages of a 'Dump and Load', and is this a recommended procedure that should periodically be done for optimization?
>
> Chuck
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mf.zonereed@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have Dump & Load Instructions for Vantage 6?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Mike
> >
>
>


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