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Jessi,

Your email saying 405a wasn't calculating earned hrs right in LaborDtl scared me a little so I rechecked today.

All Op labor reporting types we use (backflush, quantity & time & quantity) produced accurate (to +/-.01) calculated earned hrs with the pc/hr production rates (and as of today) fixed time per OP types we use in methods.

Same was true for jobs the system created/completed using KanBan Receipts.

(About 20,000 LaborDtl/JobOper/JobOpDtl linked records dumped into excel with a formula to calc earned hrs per help definitions matched the earned hrs in LaborDtl.)

...Could be your use of Minutes/pc instead of pc's/hr causing your issues.

?????

Rob


--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@...> wrote:

> From: Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@...>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 8:43 PM
> we are on 405a and I would beg to differ on this.
>
> Â
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:41:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
>
>
>
> Well if it is any comfort, on 405a, the Earned Hours
> 'math' seems to be quite accurate.
>
> Can't attest to later versions.
>
> Rob
>
> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, bpbuechler <pbuechler@uvcolor.
> com> wrote:
> From: bpbuechler <pbuechler@uvcolor. com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:10 PM
>
> If you open the help on the Job Tracker - Labor
> Transactions it
>
> spells it out.
>
> Earned Hours
>
> Earned hours are defined as the number of hours it should
> have taken
>
> to produce the job quantities reported, based on the
> entered
>
> estimates. Earned Hours are used in various plant
> performance
>
> measurements, such as efficiency and overage.
>
> In general, the calculations for Earned Hours for a labor
> detail
>
> record are as follows:
>
> For Production:
>
> If the Run quantity > 0: EarnedHrs = EstProdHours /
> RunQty x LaborQty
>
> If the Production Standard is fixed hours: EarnedHrs <=
> EstSetHours –
>
> ActSetHours + SetReworkHours – Burden Hours for this
> labor detail
>
> record
>
> If the operation quantity = 1: EarnedHrs = Operation Hrs
> Remaining
>
> (EstProdHours - ActProdHours) or Hours Worked (BurdenHrs),
> whichever
>
> is less
>
> Setup is a little different. It is an evaluation of Setup
> as a
>
> whole; whereas productionis qty report / labor hrs for each
> time you
>
> report qty. Setup Earned Hours is only evaluated when setup
> is
>
> marked complete.
>
> For Setup:
>
> Setup Not Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours x
> SetupPctComplete or
>
> ActSetupHours, whichever is less
>
> Setup Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours – ActSetHours +
>
> SetReworkHours – Burden Hours for this labor detail
> record
>
> Thanks
>
> Patty Buechler
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Jessi Utecht
> <jessi.utecht@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I am trying to understand how to calculate Earned
> hours.
>
> >
>
> > Can someone help me figure this out? It seems as
> though when we
>
> have a operation that is minutes/piece we get incorrect
> calculations,
>
> but if the operation is listed as fixed hours then it seems
> to
>
> calculate just fine.
>
> >
>
> > The Epicor help does not explain Earned hours very
> well and was
>
> hoping somone could help me understand this better.
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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I am trying to understand how to calculate Earned hours.

Can someone help me figure this out? It seems as though when we have a operation that is minutes/piece we get incorrect calculations, but if the operation is listed as fixed hours then it seems to calculate just fine.

The Epicor help does not explain Earned hours very well and was hoping somone could help me understand this better.




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If you open the help on the Job Tracker - Labor Transactions it
spells it out.

Earned Hours
Earned hours are defined as the number of hours it should have taken
to produce the job quantities reported, based on the entered
estimates. Earned Hours are used in various plant performance
measurements, such as efficiency and overage.

In general, the calculations for Earned Hours for a labor detail
record are as follows:

For Production:
If the Run quantity > 0: EarnedHrs = EstProdHours / RunQty x LaborQty

If the Production Standard is fixed hours: EarnedHrs <= EstSetHours –
ActSetHours + SetReworkHours – Burden Hours for this labor detail
record

If the operation quantity = 1: EarnedHrs = Operation Hrs Remaining
(EstProdHours - ActProdHours) or Hours Worked (BurdenHrs), whichever
is less

Setup is a little different. It is an evaluation of Setup as a
whole; whereas productionis qty report / labor hrs for each time you
report qty. Setup Earned Hours is only evaluated when setup is
marked complete.

For Setup:
Setup Not Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours x SetupPctComplete or
ActSetupHours, whichever is less

Setup Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours – ActSetHours +
SetReworkHours – Burden Hours for this labor detail record

Thanks
Patty Buechler






--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to understand how to calculate Earned hours.
>
> Can someone help me figure this out? It seems as though when we
have a operation that is minutes/piece we get incorrect calculations,
but if the operation is listed as fixed hours then it seems to
calculate just fine.
>
> The Epicor help does not explain Earned hours very well and was
hoping somone could help me understand this better.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
the help seems to spell it out, but does not give very good calculations.� We have had many errors with this formula and I was wondering if there are others that had the problem too.




________________________________
From: bpbuechler <pbuechler@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:10:30 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours


If you open the help on the Job Tracker - Labor Transactions it
spells it out.

Earned Hours
Earned hours are defined as the number of hours it should have taken
to produce the job quantities reported, based on the entered
estimates. Earned Hours are used in various plant performance
measurements, such as efficiency and overage.

In general, the calculations for Earned Hours for a labor detail
record are as follows:

For Production:
If the Run quantity > 0: EarnedHrs = EstProdHours / RunQty x LaborQty

If the Production Standard is fixed hours: EarnedHrs <= EstSetHours �
ActSetHours + SetReworkHours � Burden Hours for this labor detail
record

If the operation quantity = 1: EarnedHrs = Operation Hrs Remaining
(EstProdHours - ActProdHours) or Hours Worked (BurdenHrs), whichever
is less

Setup is a little different. It is an evaluation of Setup as a
whole; whereas productionis qty report / labor hrs for each time you
report qty. Setup Earned Hours is only evaluated when setup is
marked complete.

For Setup:
Setup Not Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours x SetupPctComplete or
ActSetupHours, whichever is less

Setup Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours � ActSetHours +
SetReworkHours � Burden Hours for this labor detail record

Thanks
Patty Buechler

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@ ...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to understand how to calculate Earned hours.
>
> Can someone help me figure this out?� It seems as though when we
have a operation that is minutes/piece we get incorrect calculations,
but if the operation is listed as fixed hours then it seems to
calculate just fine.
>
> The Epicor help does not explain Earned hours very well and was
hoping somone could help me understand this better.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes (in 6.10), and went around and around with Epicor because I could prove side by side that somewhat randomly the internal calculated value stored in the labor detail was wildly off from when I made the exact same calculation. A production worker who did exactly the standard number of parts in an 8 hour shift was given 14 earned hours. Support tossed it back in my lap and said labor edit actions on the user caused the problem and I would have to prove a case with no edits befoer they would look further. It was easier to calculate it manually than fight it.
-Todd C.


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessi Utecht
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:18 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours

the help seems to spell it out, but does not give very good calculations. We have had many errors with this formula and I was wondering if there are others that had the problem too.




________________________________
From: bpbuechler <pbuechler@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:10:30 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours


If you open the help on the Job Tracker - Labor Transactions it spells it out.

Earned Hours
Earned hours are defined as the number of hours it should have taken to produce the job quantities reported, based on the entered estimates. Earned Hours are used in various plant performance measurements, such as efficiency and overage.

In general, the calculations for Earned Hours for a labor detail record are as follows:

For Production:
If the Run quantity > 0: EarnedHrs = EstProdHours / RunQty x LaborQty

If the Production Standard is fixed hours: EarnedHrs <= EstSetHours - ActSetHours + SetReworkHours - Burden Hours for this labor detail record

If the operation quantity = 1: EarnedHrs = Operation Hrs Remaining (EstProdHours - ActProdHours) or Hours Worked (BurdenHrs), whichever is less

Setup is a little different. It is an evaluation of Setup as a whole; whereas productionis qty report / labor hrs for each time you report qty. Setup Earned Hours is only evaluated when setup is marked complete.

For Setup:
Setup Not Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours x SetupPctComplete or ActSetupHours, whichever is less

Setup Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours - ActSetHours + SetReworkHours - Burden Hours for this labor detail record

Thanks
Patty Buechler

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@ ...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to understand how to calculate Earned hours.
>
> Can someone help me figure this out? It seems as though when we
have a operation that is minutes/piece we get incorrect calculations, but if the operation is listed as fixed hours then it seems to calculate just fine.
>
> The Epicor help does not explain Earned hours very well and was
hoping somone could help me understand this better.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







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Well if it is any comfort, on 405a, the Earned Hours 'math' seems to be quite accurate.

Can't attest to later versions.

Rob

--- On Wed, 2/11/09, bpbuechler <pbuechler@...> wrote:
From: bpbuechler <pbuechler@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:10 PM












If you open the help on the Job Tracker - Labor Transactions it

spells it out.



Earned Hours

Earned hours are defined as the number of hours it should have taken

to produce the job quantities reported, based on the entered

estimates. Earned Hours are used in various plant performance

measurements, such as efficiency and overage.



In general, the calculations for Earned Hours for a labor detail

record are as follows:



For Production:

If the Run quantity > 0: EarnedHrs = EstProdHours / RunQty x LaborQty



If the Production Standard is fixed hours: EarnedHrs <= EstSetHours –

ActSetHours + SetReworkHours – Burden Hours for this labor detail

record



If the operation quantity = 1: EarnedHrs = Operation Hrs Remaining

(EstProdHours - ActProdHours) or Hours Worked (BurdenHrs), whichever

is less



Setup is a little different. It is an evaluation of Setup as a

whole; whereas productionis qty report / labor hrs for each time you

report qty. Setup Earned Hours is only evaluated when setup is

marked complete.



For Setup:

Setup Not Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours x SetupPctComplete or

ActSetupHours, whichever is less



Setup Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours – ActSetHours +

SetReworkHours – Burden Hours for this labor detail record



Thanks

Patty Buechler



--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@ ...> wrote:

>

> I am trying to understand how to calculate Earned hours.

>

> Can someone help me figure this out? It seems as though when we

have a operation that is minutes/piece we get incorrect calculations,

but if the operation is listed as fixed hours then it seems to

calculate just fine.

>

> The Epicor help does not explain Earned hours very well and was

hoping somone could help me understand this better.

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
Until Cost is Captured, anything is open for opportunities for making
you crazy... black widow affect. We did not review earned until we
know the cost capture has been done in the time period we are
reviewing.

But if your organization is anything like ours, real-time activity
means real-time evaluation. We have dropped the focus on Earned and
have focused more on daily throughput compared to utilitation from a
job/resource drill down. You can then analyze the people who
performed that operation on that day.

Thanks
Patty Buechler


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> Yes (in 6.10), and went around and around with Epicor because I
could prove side by side that somewhat randomly the internal
calculated value stored in the labor detail was wildly off from when
I made the exact same calculation. A production worker who did
exactly the standard number of parts in an 8 hour shift was given 14
earned hours. Support tossed it back in my lap and said labor edit
actions on the user caused the problem and I would have to prove a
case with no edits befoer they would look further. It was easier to
calculate it manually than fight it.
> -Todd C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jessi Utecht
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:18 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
>
> the help seems to spell it out, but does not give very good
calculations. We have had many errors with this formula and I was
wondering if there are others that had the problem too.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bpbuechler <pbuechler@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:10:30 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
>
>
> If you open the help on the Job Tracker - Labor Transactions it
spells it out.
>
> Earned Hours
> Earned hours are defined as the number of hours it should have
taken to produce the job quantities reported, based on the entered
estimates. Earned Hours are used in various plant performance
measurements, such as efficiency and overage.
>
> In general, the calculations for Earned Hours for a labor detail
record are as follows:
>
> For Production:
> If the Run quantity > 0: EarnedHrs = EstProdHours / RunQty x
LaborQty
>
> If the Production Standard is fixed hours: EarnedHrs <=
EstSetHours - ActSetHours + SetReworkHours - Burden Hours for this
labor detail record
>
> If the operation quantity = 1: EarnedHrs = Operation Hrs Remaining
(EstProdHours - ActProdHours) or Hours Worked (BurdenHrs), whichever
is less
>
> Setup is a little different. It is an evaluation of Setup as a
whole; whereas productionis qty report / labor hrs for each time you
report qty. Setup Earned Hours is only evaluated when setup is marked
complete.
>
> For Setup:
> Setup Not Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours x SetupPctComplete or
ActSetupHours, whichever is less
>
> Setup Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours - ActSetHours +
SetReworkHours - Burden Hours for this labor detail record
>
> Thanks
> Patty Buechler
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@ ...>
wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to understand how to calculate Earned hours.
> >
> > Can someone help me figure this out? It seems as though when we
> have a operation that is minutes/piece we get incorrect
calculations, but if the operation is listed as fixed hours then it
seems to calculate just fine.
> >
> > The Epicor help does not explain Earned hours very well and was
> hoping somone could help me understand this better.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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we are on 405a and I would beg to differ on this.

�



________________________________
From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:41:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours



Well if it is any comfort, on 405a, the Earned Hours 'math' seems to be quite accurate.

Can't attest to later versions.

Rob

--- On Wed, 2/11/09, bpbuechler <pbuechler@uvcolor. com> wrote:
From: bpbuechler <pbuechler@uvcolor. com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:10 PM

If you open the help on the Job Tracker - Labor Transactions it

spells it out.

Earned Hours

Earned hours are defined as the number of hours it should have taken

to produce the job quantities reported, based on the entered

estimates. Earned Hours are used in various plant performance

measurements, such as efficiency and overage.

In general, the calculations for Earned Hours for a labor detail

record are as follows:

For Production:

If the Run quantity > 0: EarnedHrs = EstProdHours / RunQty x LaborQty

If the Production Standard is fixed hours: EarnedHrs <= EstSetHours �

ActSetHours + SetReworkHours � Burden Hours for this labor detail

record

If the operation quantity = 1: EarnedHrs = Operation Hrs Remaining

(EstProdHours - ActProdHours) or Hours Worked (BurdenHrs), whichever

is less

Setup is a little different. It is an evaluation of Setup as a

whole; whereas productionis qty report / labor hrs for each time you

report qty. Setup Earned Hours is only evaluated when setup is

marked complete.

For Setup:

Setup Not Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours x SetupPctComplete or

ActSetupHours, whichever is less

Setup Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours � ActSetHours +

SetReworkHours � Burden Hours for this labor detail record

Thanks

Patty Buechler

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@ ...> wrote:

>

> I am trying to understand how to calculate Earned hours.

>

> Can someone help me figure this out?� It seems as though when we

have a operation that is minutes/piece we get incorrect calculations,

but if the operation is listed as fixed hours then it seems to

calculate just fine.

>

> The Epicor help does not explain Earned hours very well and was

hoping somone could help me understand this better.

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Jessi

We use pcs/hr (versus your mins/pc).

That could explain our differing results (particularly when you say fixed time OPs seem OK - or am I misunderstanding?).

...Wouldn't be the 1st time we've discovered method/job processing paradigms that have "A, B or C" set up choices don't work properly for all options.

I wonder if that is the case here as well.

Are you pretty confident about fixed time OPs calcing Earned hrs properly?

I ask because, up until a few days ago, we exclusively used pcs/hr in defining production rates.

Our methods for make to stock parts have an initial OP that we brought over from our legacy system with zero pcs/hr. (A Stockroom Issue OP that had advantages on our legacy system & no obvious disadvantages while piloting so we brought them over in our data conversion.)

It's a resource we neither care to cost or capacity manage but we just came to realize it was (severely) impacting the job completion process and just made the decision to punch in a fixed non-zero time for these OPs.

It sounds like you're not experiencing problems with fixed time OPs. (True?)

Very interested as I'd be unhappy to learn we just screwed up something that has been working as a tradeoff to get something else working!

Thanks for the tip... Now I have some rechecking to do.

Rob


--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@...> wrote:

> From: Jessi Utecht <jessi.utecht@...>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 8:43 PM
> we are on 405a and I would beg to differ on this.
>
> Â
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:41:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
>
>
>
> Well if it is any comfort, on 405a, the Earned Hours
> 'math' seems to be quite accurate.
>
> Can't attest to later versions.
>
> Rob
>
> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, bpbuechler <pbuechler@uvcolor.
> com> wrote:
> From: bpbuechler <pbuechler@uvcolor. com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Earned Hours
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:10 PM
>
> If you open the help on the Job Tracker - Labor
> Transactions it
>
> spells it out.
>
> Earned Hours
>
> Earned hours are defined as the number of hours it should
> have taken
>
> to produce the job quantities reported, based on the
> entered
>
> estimates. Earned Hours are used in various plant
> performance
>
> measurements, such as efficiency and overage.
>
> In general, the calculations for Earned Hours for a labor
> detail
>
> record are as follows:
>
> For Production:
>
> If the Run quantity > 0: EarnedHrs = EstProdHours /
> RunQty x LaborQty
>
> If the Production Standard is fixed hours: EarnedHrs <=
> EstSetHours –
>
> ActSetHours + SetReworkHours – Burden Hours for this
> labor detail
>
> record
>
> If the operation quantity = 1: EarnedHrs = Operation Hrs
> Remaining
>
> (EstProdHours - ActProdHours) or Hours Worked (BurdenHrs),
> whichever
>
> is less
>
> Setup is a little different. It is an evaluation of Setup
> as a
>
> whole; whereas productionis qty report / labor hrs for each
> time you
>
> report qty. Setup Earned Hours is only evaluated when setup
> is
>
> marked complete.
>
> For Setup:
>
> Setup Not Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours x
> SetupPctComplete or
>
> ActSetupHours, whichever is less
>
> Setup Complete: EarnedHrs = EstSetHours – ActSetHours +
>
> SetReworkHours – Burden Hours for this labor detail
> record
>
> Thanks
>
> Patty Buechler
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Jessi Utecht
> <jessi.utecht@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I am trying to understand how to calculate Earned
> hours.
>
> >
>
> > Can someone help me figure this out? It seems as
> though when we
>
> have a operation that is minutes/piece we get incorrect
> calculations,
>
> but if the operation is listed as fixed hours then it seems
> to
>
> calculate just fine.
>
> >
>
> > The Epicor help does not explain Earned hours very
> well and was
>
> hoping somone could help me understand this better.
>
> >
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> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: (
> Note: You must have already linked your email address to a
> yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for
> Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other
> 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services
> goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo!
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