I just wanted to say thank you to everybody who has helped me on this thread... With your collective help I have been able to get my Database conversion process down from the long 5 days it was taking to a weekends time, which is what I needed. I am still testing things and working through issues like BPMs and such, but so far so good. Thanks again, you guys are awesome!
Thanks,
Bryan
Thanks,
Bryan
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Ned wrote:
>
> Correct, and while I have not looked at it in a couple weeks, I think the
> auto-run/setup on the OpenEdge Disk gives yout he option of installing the
> 32-bit version or the 64-bit version.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> bryandavis1980
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:58 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Epicor 9.05.700C upgrade from Vista 8.03.409C
>
> I think I understand what you are saying now. I need to drill down to the
> 32bit folder on my OpenEdge disk, right? Then install from there? I have
> just been following along with the default autorun options of my OE DVD.
> What really threw me for a loop was this statement from Epicor's DUU guide:
>
> 7.4 Upgrade from 32-Bit to 64-Bit Environment If you want to use your Epicor
> 9.05 application in a 64-bit environment, you can use these steps as a guide
> to upgrade your current Epicor 9.05 32-bit environment to an Epicor 9.05
> 64-bit environment.
> Note The Epicor 9.05 application in 32-bit mode cannot be installed on the
> same machine as the Epicor
> 9.05 application in 64-bit mode. The requirement of separate machines is due
> to Progress OpenEdge limitations.
> 1. Locate the Epicor 9.05 64-bit DVD and the Epicor 9.05 Installation Guide.
> 2. Use the Epicor 9.05 Installation Guide to install the Epicor 9.05 64-bit
> DVD.
> 3. Create a backup of your Epicor 9.05 database (32-bit) database.
> 4. Restore your Epicor 9.05 database (32-bit) into an Epicor 9.05 database
> (64-bit).
>
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Ned wrote:
> >
> > You just install the 32-bit version of OpenEdge and Epicor just as if
> > you were on a 32-bit OS.
> >
> > The DUU works perfectly fine on a 64-bit OS, you just need to make
> > sure you installed the 32-bit version of OpenEdge 10.2A.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > bryandavis1980
> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:55 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Epicor 9.05.700C upgrade from Vista 8.03.409C
> >
> > Hey Ned, this is good information to know. What I don't get is how
> > you install the 32bit version on the 64bit Server OS. And if you go
> > this route, do you not get to use the DUU tool at all? I am just
> > following Epicor's new progress install and Data upgrade PDFs, while
> > using the DVDs for 9.05.700 they provided for us.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Ned wrote:
> > >
> > > Nope, nothing that prevents that at all.
> > >
> > > It's a really common misconception regarding operating systems and
> > > versions of open edge.
> > >
> > > The 64-bit version of open edge and 9.05 does not have the DUU, but
> > > the 32-bit version does.
> > >
> > > The 32-bit version does not require a 32-bit OS to have it run, it
> > > can be installed on a 64-bit OS.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of too_much_hg
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:28 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Epicor 9.05.700C upgrade from Vista 8.03.409C
> > >
> > > Ned,
> > >
> > > Am I to understand that I can build a 64-bit box with SQL that I can
> > > use to do the entire conversion process from 8.03.409C thru 9.05.701 ?
> > > I thought there was something that prevented this ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Ned wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You can install the 32-bit version on a 64-bit OS.
> > > >
> > > > Using a 64-bit OS gives you flexibility to have the individual
> > > > processes have more resources available to them, even if an
> > > > individual process is limited by 2GB, you can still put more of
> > > > the DB in RAM and the processes can use more than the 3.5GB that
> > > > is allowed
> > in a 32-bit OS.
> > > >
> > > > Also, while I have not run any tests(yet) with a smaller DB of
> > > > only 4GB, you can likely create a RAM drive which will give you a
> > > > massively larger I/O speeds for all the transactions that are
> > > > taking place between the DB and the AdminTools or schema changes
> tools.
> > > > Using a 64-bit OS allows you to utilize a ton of RAM into one
> > > > machine, then utilize it in a RAM drive for the conversion process.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > > Behalf Of
> > > > bryandavis1980
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:42 PM
> > > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Epicor 9.05.700C upgrade from Vista
> > > > 8.03.409C
> > > >
> > > > Hey Ernie,
> > > > Thank you for the notes, I got them and was looking over everything.
> > > > They are most helpful by the way. The times you have laid out in
> > > > your notes leave me to believe that most of my issues may stem
> > > > from the hardware I am using to run the test passes on. Anyway, I
> > > > did want to ask you about your OS versions. I didn't see anything
> > > > about that from your post or notes, unless I overlooked it. We
> > > > are going from a 32bit Windows 2003 enviornment to 64bit Windows
> Server 2008.
> > > > I think that is our biggest issue at this point. The DUU only
> > > > appears to be for 32bit OS. So for the conversion process I have
> > > > been using a Windows7 Pro 32bit desktop machine, then restoring to
> > > > the
> > 64bit Intel Mod server.
> > > >
> > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "bryandavis1980"
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey that would be awesome! I will take all the help I can get
> > > > > on cutting
> > > > down this migration time.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth"
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We went from 8.03.305K to 8.03.410 on the old server, then
> > > > > > copied the
> > > > resulting database onto a new server (a Dell R710 I think, 32G
> > > > RAM,
> > > > 6 physical non-SSD drives in a RAID 10 configuration for the
> > > > Epicor
> > > > partition) for the rest of the process (this had also been our
> > > > testing server for the previous test passes).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The users have commented that the new system (they went live
> > > > > > the weekend
> > > > after Labor Day) is faster than 8.03.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still have my notes, I actually printed up a document with
> > > > > > some
> > > > details that I could email to you offline if you like.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ernie Lowell
> > > > > > Diba Industries
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "bryandavis1980"
> > > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you for your input! Your situation appears to be very
> > > > > > > similar
> > > > to ours. Our db is only 4GB progress. This is my second test
> > > > past, I am trying to nail down the process as you talked about
> > > > here so that I can get it done within a weekends time. My biggest
> > > > issue right now seems to be the fact that we are going from 32bit
> > > > to 64bit, therefore I had to setup an entired 32bit workstation
> > > > just for this conversion purpose. Can you speak in terms of what
> > > > kind of hardware specs you used to
> > > convert? Thanks again!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth"
> > > > > > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bryan,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I helped one of our sister companies upgrade from 8.03.305
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > 9.05.700C this past summer/fall. The actual upgrade process
> > > > started on Friday afternoon (around 3 I think) and was finished
> > > > late Saturday
> > > afternon.
> > > > We had the implementation team come in sunday morning to test
> > > > their particular pieces (no problems found), and they were live
> > > > Monday
> > morning.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We had a smaller db (only 2G, also Progress), and
> > > > > > > > virtually no
> > > > customizations, but several ODBC reports that had to be re-written.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What had helped tremendously is that we'd done 4 test
> > > > > > > > passes in the
> > > > months before. If we hadn't done that I'd have no hair left.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ernie Lowell
> > > > > > > > Diba Industries
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Ned wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It can definitely be done in a weekend.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My turn around time for everyone I have done it for is
> > > > > > > > > usually somewhere in the 18-24 hour range.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Start on a Friday, as early as your business shutdown
> > > > > > > > > will allow, then go right into the conversion process,
> > > > > > > > > plan on working the overnight, and then once that is
> > > > > > > > > done, importing all the updates for reports,
> > > > > > > > > customizations, BPMs
> > etc.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > bryandavis1980
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 3:28 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Epicor 9.05.700C upgrade from
> > > > > > > > > Vista 8.03.409C
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I understand, and I don't feel so alone with the long
> > > > > > > > > periods of time it is taking now. I am trying to get
> > > > > > > > > this whole thing down to a weekend so we can go live in
> > > > > > > > > that ammount
> > > of time.
> > > > > > > > > Thank you for your speedy response and the
> > > > > > > > > clairification on the
> > > > striaght to 9.05 deal...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > > > Bryan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Ned wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Some are quick, some are slow.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Total time is really what you need to look at.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For an 8.03 to 9.05 conversion, assuming no problems,
> > > > > > > > > > it generally takes about 6-8 hours for all the schema
> > > > > > > > > > changes and then another
> > > > > > > > > > 10-12 for all the conversions.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There is no way to go directly from 8.03 to 9.05, you
> > > > > > > > > > will always need to do an intermediary stop at 9.04,
> > > > > > > > > > but with
> > > > > > > > > > 9.05 you can install the update tool which will allow
> > > > > > > > > > you to not need a complete installation of OE10.1C and
> > > > > > > > > > E9.04 in order to do so.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > bryandavis1980
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:57 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Vantage] Epicor 9.05.700C upgrade from Vista
> > > > > > > > > > 8.03.409C
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are attempting a test pass and I just had a few
> > > > > > > > > > questions. My questions are regarding the Schema
> > > > > > > > > > Change and the mandatory database conversions
> > > > > > > > > > processes that have to run when logging into the admin
> > > > > > > > > > tools. With the Schema Change, according to the log,
> > > > > > > > > > it appears to only have taken
> > > > > > > > > > 20+ minutes. When I actually started it around 8
> > > > > > > > > > 20+ hours
> > > > > > > > > > before the logs final time. As for the mandatory
> > > > > > > > > > conversion programs, they are taking even longer.
> > > > > > > > > > Some of the cv/cvg####.p programs it zips right
> > > > > > > > > > through, others it will stay hung on for hours before
> > > > > > > > > > it moves on. The prowin32.exe appears to be working
> > > > > > > > > > so I do not want to interrupt it from fear of data
> > > > > > > > > > corruption. I am just curious
> > > > > > > > > if any of these prolonged wait times are normal or if
> > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > is anything we can do to speed them up? Also, I have
> > heard
> > > > that it is
> > > > > > > > > > possible to jump straight from Vista 8.03.409C to
> > > > > > > > > > Epicor
> > > > 9.05.700C.
> > > > > > > > > > Is this possible? If so is there a special guide to do
> so?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Any advice or help would greatly be appreciated.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Progress 32bit DB approximately 4gb.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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