> Were it me I would want to wait until at least the service pack afterFor those jumping in a little sooner, .503 is due out in March sometime.
> service pack .506 comes out and there are more sites (say 50 or so)
> running live on it.
Mark W.
Mark W.
Fellow YahooGroupies....
The EUG Vantage Leadership Council (VLC) had its monthly phone conference call today and because of the large number of Vantage users that might not otherwise get some of this info I will pass it along. These are just what I got down in my hastily written notes and from memory (always a little suspect). Topics are in general order of discussion....
Epicor 9
Live sites, one in particular represented on the VLC, report a few issues here and there with it since going live. There have been lots of little one-off fixes which will be included in .506 service pack release soon. Now that there are more live sites... (7 total ...5 on Progress, 2 on SQL...and one VLC site planning to go live April 1)... after .506 there should be fewer one-off fixes and 9 will be on a regular service pack track. The SQL Server version has some field size issues that affect posting to G/L that are being worked on. There was a comment about 9 being a little less ready than they would have liked for General Release (GA as Epicor calls it) but that Epicor has been very responsive with the one-off fixes for issues as they come up. Epicor is putting a great deal of development effort into supporting 9. Over 100 copies have been shipped and based on volume of queries by Epicor consultants more sites are taking a serious look at it. Overall people are liking what they are seeing in it. Conversions from 8.03.4xx do take some time. Based on some of the examples a ballpark rate of 2 hours per Gigabyte of DB would be what to expect (subject to hardware differences). Very large sites should plan for the upgrade to take more than one day....at typical 2-3 GB sites a day should suffice so doable over a weekend with some time for testing.
8.03.407A....should be release next week. It got pushed out a bit from this week. Mostly EDI items and general fixes.
8.03.408......was to be end of March may be April due to 407A push out.
8.03.4xx in general will continue to have service packs as needed
8.0 will likely have no more service packs unless a critical issue comes up
6.10 will have no more service packs. There have been virtually no new issues and none critical (priority 1 or 2) in a long time.
9.0 Hardware
Recommendations from the hardware sizing tool are partly based on transaction levels and speed desired, not just number of users. SQL sites will find that lots of small disks are better than one big one. Also splitting DB from App Servers and multiple App Servers can make a big difference. It was commented that servers working for 8.03.4xx should be sufficient for 9. As far as 64-bit there are still some components that do not make use of it.
No feedback on the past Perspectives 2008. Next one will be back at Caesars in Las Vegas but a few week laters - Nov. 7-11. Some discussion of possible attendance impact of economy, ala the sparse attendance in 2001 after 9/11. Conference planning does not usually start until later in Spring.
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The EUG Vantage Leadership Council (VLC) had its monthly phone conference call today and because of the large number of Vantage users that might not otherwise get some of this info I will pass it along. These are just what I got down in my hastily written notes and from memory (always a little suspect). Topics are in general order of discussion....
Epicor 9
Live sites, one in particular represented on the VLC, report a few issues here and there with it since going live. There have been lots of little one-off fixes which will be included in .506 service pack release soon. Now that there are more live sites... (7 total ...5 on Progress, 2 on SQL...and one VLC site planning to go live April 1)... after .506 there should be fewer one-off fixes and 9 will be on a regular service pack track. The SQL Server version has some field size issues that affect posting to G/L that are being worked on. There was a comment about 9 being a little less ready than they would have liked for General Release (GA as Epicor calls it) but that Epicor has been very responsive with the one-off fixes for issues as they come up. Epicor is putting a great deal of development effort into supporting 9. Over 100 copies have been shipped and based on volume of queries by Epicor consultants more sites are taking a serious look at it. Overall people are liking what they are seeing in it. Conversions from 8.03.4xx do take some time. Based on some of the examples a ballpark rate of 2 hours per Gigabyte of DB would be what to expect (subject to hardware differences). Very large sites should plan for the upgrade to take more than one day....at typical 2-3 GB sites a day should suffice so doable over a weekend with some time for testing.
8.03.407A....should be release next week. It got pushed out a bit from this week. Mostly EDI items and general fixes.
8.03.408......was to be end of March may be April due to 407A push out.
8.03.4xx in general will continue to have service packs as needed
8.0 will likely have no more service packs unless a critical issue comes up
6.10 will have no more service packs. There have been virtually no new issues and none critical (priority 1 or 2) in a long time.
9.0 Hardware
Recommendations from the hardware sizing tool are partly based on transaction levels and speed desired, not just number of users. SQL sites will find that lots of small disks are better than one big one. Also splitting DB from App Servers and multiple App Servers can make a big difference. It was commented that servers working for 8.03.4xx should be sufficient for 9. As far as 64-bit there are still some components that do not make use of it.
No feedback on the past Perspectives 2008. Next one will be back at Caesars in Las Vegas but a few week laters - Nov. 7-11. Some discussion of possible attendance impact of economy, ala the sparse attendance in 2001 after 9/11. Conference planning does not usually start until later in Spring.
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Todd,
Thanks for the repeated updates on your VLC meetings.
Question:
You said "9.0 hardware 64 bit, there are still some components that do not make use of it"
Does this mean the components in question will function, but not take advantage of the 64bit OS speed etc.? or do you mean that these components will not function at all?
If they will not function at all, do you know which of the specific components will not function?
Question:
Is the consensus of the 9.0 users (7 users) that 9.0 (at its current service pack) is less buggy, more buggy or about the same as the initial release of 8.03.400.
I am trying to judge if we should begin pushing our IT deprt. toward 9.0 and 64 bit soon, or wait another year, 6 months etc.
Matt Sweny
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] February Vantage Leadership Council Notes
Fellow YahooGroupies....
The EUG Vantage Leadership Council (VLC) had its monthly phone conference call today and because of the large number of Vantage users that might not otherwise get some of this info I will pass it along. These are just what I got down in my hastily written notes and from memory (always a little suspect). Topics are in general order of discussion....
Epicor 9
Live sites, one in particular represented on the VLC, report a few issues here and there with it since going live. There have been lots of little one-off fixes which will be included in .506 service pack release soon. Now that there are more live sites... (7 total ...5 on Progress, 2 on SQL...and one VLC site planning to go live April 1)... after .506 there should be fewer one-off fixes and 9 will be on a regular service pack track. The SQL Server version has some field size issues that affect posting to G/L that are being worked on. There was a comment about 9 being a little less ready than they would have liked for General Release (GA as Epicor calls it) but that Epicor has been very responsive with the one-off fixes for issues as they come up. Epicor is putting a great deal of development effort into supporting 9. Over 100 copies have been shipped and based on volume of queries by Epicor consultants more sites are taking a serious look at it. Overall people are liking what they are seeing in it. Conversions from 8.03.4xx do take some time. Based on some of the examples a ballpark rate of 2 hours per Gigabyte of DB would be what to expect (subject to hardware differences). Very large sites should plan for the upgrade to take more than one day....at typical 2-3 GB sites a day should suffice so doable over a weekend with some time for testing.
8.03.407A....should be release next week. It got pushed out a bit from this week. Mostly EDI items and general fixes.
8.03.408......was to be end of March may be April due to 407A push out.
8.03.4xx in general will continue to have service packs as needed
8.0 will likely have no more service packs unless a critical issue comes up
6.10 will have no more service packs. There have been virtually no new issues and none critical (priority 1 or 2) in a long time.
9.0 Hardware
Recommendations from the hardware sizing tool are partly based on transaction levels and speed desired, not just number of users. SQL sites will find that lots of small disks are better than one big one. Also splitting DB from App Servers and multiple App Servers can make a big difference. It was commented that servers working for 8.03.4xx should be sufficient for 9. As far as 64-bit there are still some components that do not make use of it.
No feedback on the past Perspectives 2008. Next one will be back at Caesars in Las Vegas but a few week laters - Nov. 7-11. Some discussion of possible attendance impact of economy, ala the sparse attendance in 2001 after 9/11. Conference planning does not usually start until later in Spring.
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thanks for the repeated updates on your VLC meetings.
Question:
You said "9.0 hardware 64 bit, there are still some components that do not make use of it"
Does this mean the components in question will function, but not take advantage of the 64bit OS speed etc.? or do you mean that these components will not function at all?
If they will not function at all, do you know which of the specific components will not function?
Question:
Is the consensus of the 9.0 users (7 users) that 9.0 (at its current service pack) is less buggy, more buggy or about the same as the initial release of 8.03.400.
I am trying to judge if we should begin pushing our IT deprt. toward 9.0 and 64 bit soon, or wait another year, 6 months etc.
Matt Sweny
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] February Vantage Leadership Council Notes
Fellow YahooGroupies....
The EUG Vantage Leadership Council (VLC) had its monthly phone conference call today and because of the large number of Vantage users that might not otherwise get some of this info I will pass it along. These are just what I got down in my hastily written notes and from memory (always a little suspect). Topics are in general order of discussion....
Epicor 9
Live sites, one in particular represented on the VLC, report a few issues here and there with it since going live. There have been lots of little one-off fixes which will be included in .506 service pack release soon. Now that there are more live sites... (7 total ...5 on Progress, 2 on SQL...and one VLC site planning to go live April 1)... after .506 there should be fewer one-off fixes and 9 will be on a regular service pack track. The SQL Server version has some field size issues that affect posting to G/L that are being worked on. There was a comment about 9 being a little less ready than they would have liked for General Release (GA as Epicor calls it) but that Epicor has been very responsive with the one-off fixes for issues as they come up. Epicor is putting a great deal of development effort into supporting 9. Over 100 copies have been shipped and based on volume of queries by Epicor consultants more sites are taking a serious look at it. Overall people are liking what they are seeing in it. Conversions from 8.03.4xx do take some time. Based on some of the examples a ballpark rate of 2 hours per Gigabyte of DB would be what to expect (subject to hardware differences). Very large sites should plan for the upgrade to take more than one day....at typical 2-3 GB sites a day should suffice so doable over a weekend with some time for testing.
8.03.407A....should be release next week. It got pushed out a bit from this week. Mostly EDI items and general fixes.
8.03.408......was to be end of March may be April due to 407A push out.
8.03.4xx in general will continue to have service packs as needed
8.0 will likely have no more service packs unless a critical issue comes up
6.10 will have no more service packs. There have been virtually no new issues and none critical (priority 1 or 2) in a long time.
9.0 Hardware
Recommendations from the hardware sizing tool are partly based on transaction levels and speed desired, not just number of users. SQL sites will find that lots of small disks are better than one big one. Also splitting DB from App Servers and multiple App Servers can make a big difference. It was commented that servers working for 8.03.4xx should be sufficient for 9. As far as 64-bit there are still some components that do not make use of it.
No feedback on the past Perspectives 2008. Next one will be back at Caesars in Las Vegas but a few week laters - Nov. 7-11. Some discussion of possible attendance impact of economy, ala the sparse attendance in 2001 after 9/11. Conference planning does not usually start until later in Spring.
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sorry if I can't be more specific on the questions. What I sent was pretty much everything in my notes. Comments below are more my opinion or interpretatoin of what I heard than straight reporting.
My best recollection of the 64-bit part was that it will run on 64-bit OS but that parts will run in 32-bit mode and not take advantage of 64-bit. The agrees with my notes from Perspectives too for Progress sites. Sorry but I don't tend to zero in on 64-bit or 9 because it will be awhile before we are ready for those and also am light on SQL because we'll stay with Progress. I will make a note to ask for specifics in the next call. I can see where it would make a big difference for sites preparing for 9 by obtaining the right hardware and OS now to try it out on.
Just comparing what I heard when 8.03.400 was released with the limited feedback now I would say it is about the same magnitude but the method for dealing with issues has improved. My gut feeling is the effort to rapidly make Epicor 9 more stable than Vantage 8.03.4xx is fairly intense. Aside from the Vantage/Vista sites they also have to bring in the sites with other products that 9 is the migration path for now. I think 9 is a sort of "bet the company" thing similar to what Boeing did with the 747 back in the '70s. Epicor 9 has to fly and they know it.
Were it me I would want to wait until at least the service pack after service pack .506 comes out and there are more sites (say 50 or so) running live on it. No system meets the "real world" without an initial burst of issues. How fast the initial bugs get resolved and how few new ones pop up will tell the tale of their success.. Due to need for chart of account expansion we will re-implement straight from 6.10 to 9 as a fresh system...probably going live January 2011.
-Todd C.
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sweny, Matt
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] RE: February Vantage Leadership Council Notes
Todd,
Thanks for the repeated updates on your VLC meetings.
Question:
You said "9.0 hardware 64 bit, there are still some components that do not make use of it"
Does this mean the components in question will function, but not take advantage of the 64bit OS speed etc.? or do you mean that these components will not function at all?
If they will not function at all, do you know which of the specific components will not function?
Question:
Is the consensus of the 9.0 users (7 users) that 9.0 (at its current service pack) is less buggy, more buggy or about the same as the initial release of 8.03.400.
I am trying to judge if we should begin pushing our IT deprt. toward 9.0 and 64 bit soon, or wait another year, 6 months etc.
Matt Sweny
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] February Vantage Leadership Council Notes
Fellow YahooGroupies....
The EUG Vantage Leadership Council (VLC) had its monthly phone conference call today and because of the large number of Vantage users that might not otherwise get some of this info I will pass it along. These are just what I got down in my hastily written notes and from memory (always a little suspect). Topics are in general order of discussion....
Epicor 9
Live sites, one in particular represented on the VLC, report a few issues here and there with it since going live. There have been lots of little one-off fixes which will be included in .506 service pack release soon. Now that there are more live sites... (7 total ...5 on Progress, 2 on SQL...and one VLC site planning to go live April 1)... after .506 there should be fewer one-off fixes and 9 will be on a regular service pack track. The SQL Server version has some field size issues that affect posting to G/L that are being worked on. There was a comment about 9 being a little less ready than they would have liked for General Release (GA as Epicor calls it) but that Epicor has been very responsive with the one-off fixes for issues as they come up. Epicor is putting a great deal of development effort into supporting 9. Over 100 copies have been shipped and based on volume of queries by Epicor consultants more sites are taking a serious look at it. Overall people are liking what they are seeing in it. Conversions from 8.03.4xx do take some time. Based on some of the examples a ballpark rate of 2 hours per Gigabyte of DB would be what to expect (subject to hardware differences). Very large sites should plan for the upgrade to take more than one day....at typical 2-3 GB sites a day should suffice so doable over a weekend with some time for testing.
8.03.407A....should be release next week. It got pushed out a bit from this week. Mostly EDI items and general fixes.
8.03.408......was to be end of March may be April due to 407A push out.
8.03.4xx in general will continue to have service packs as needed
8.0 will likely have no more service packs unless a critical issue comes up
6.10 will have no more service packs. There have been virtually no new issues and none critical (priority 1 or 2) in a long time.
9.0 Hardware
Recommendations from the hardware sizing tool are partly based on transaction levels and speed desired, not just number of users. SQL sites will find that lots of small disks are better than one big one. Also splitting DB from App Servers and multiple App Servers can make a big difference. It was commented that servers working for 8.03.4xx should be sufficient for 9. As far as 64-bit there are still some components that do not make use of it.
No feedback on the past Perspectives 2008. Next one will be back at Caesars in Las Vegas but a few week laters - Nov. 7-11. Some discussion of possible attendance impact of economy, ala the sparse attendance in 2001 after 9/11. Conference planning does not usually start until later in Spring.
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
My best recollection of the 64-bit part was that it will run on 64-bit OS but that parts will run in 32-bit mode and not take advantage of 64-bit. The agrees with my notes from Perspectives too for Progress sites. Sorry but I don't tend to zero in on 64-bit or 9 because it will be awhile before we are ready for those and also am light on SQL because we'll stay with Progress. I will make a note to ask for specifics in the next call. I can see where it would make a big difference for sites preparing for 9 by obtaining the right hardware and OS now to try it out on.
Just comparing what I heard when 8.03.400 was released with the limited feedback now I would say it is about the same magnitude but the method for dealing with issues has improved. My gut feeling is the effort to rapidly make Epicor 9 more stable than Vantage 8.03.4xx is fairly intense. Aside from the Vantage/Vista sites they also have to bring in the sites with other products that 9 is the migration path for now. I think 9 is a sort of "bet the company" thing similar to what Boeing did with the 747 back in the '70s. Epicor 9 has to fly and they know it.
Were it me I would want to wait until at least the service pack after service pack .506 comes out and there are more sites (say 50 or so) running live on it. No system meets the "real world" without an initial burst of issues. How fast the initial bugs get resolved and how few new ones pop up will tell the tale of their success.. Due to need for chart of account expansion we will re-implement straight from 6.10 to 9 as a fresh system...probably going live January 2011.
-Todd C.
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sweny, Matt
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] RE: February Vantage Leadership Council Notes
Todd,
Thanks for the repeated updates on your VLC meetings.
Question:
You said "9.0 hardware 64 bit, there are still some components that do not make use of it"
Does this mean the components in question will function, but not take advantage of the 64bit OS speed etc.? or do you mean that these components will not function at all?
If they will not function at all, do you know which of the specific components will not function?
Question:
Is the consensus of the 9.0 users (7 users) that 9.0 (at its current service pack) is less buggy, more buggy or about the same as the initial release of 8.03.400.
I am trying to judge if we should begin pushing our IT deprt. toward 9.0 and 64 bit soon, or wait another year, 6 months etc.
Matt Sweny
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] February Vantage Leadership Council Notes
Fellow YahooGroupies....
The EUG Vantage Leadership Council (VLC) had its monthly phone conference call today and because of the large number of Vantage users that might not otherwise get some of this info I will pass it along. These are just what I got down in my hastily written notes and from memory (always a little suspect). Topics are in general order of discussion....
Epicor 9
Live sites, one in particular represented on the VLC, report a few issues here and there with it since going live. There have been lots of little one-off fixes which will be included in .506 service pack release soon. Now that there are more live sites... (7 total ...5 on Progress, 2 on SQL...and one VLC site planning to go live April 1)... after .506 there should be fewer one-off fixes and 9 will be on a regular service pack track. The SQL Server version has some field size issues that affect posting to G/L that are being worked on. There was a comment about 9 being a little less ready than they would have liked for General Release (GA as Epicor calls it) but that Epicor has been very responsive with the one-off fixes for issues as they come up. Epicor is putting a great deal of development effort into supporting 9. Over 100 copies have been shipped and based on volume of queries by Epicor consultants more sites are taking a serious look at it. Overall people are liking what they are seeing in it. Conversions from 8.03.4xx do take some time. Based on some of the examples a ballpark rate of 2 hours per Gigabyte of DB would be what to expect (subject to hardware differences). Very large sites should plan for the upgrade to take more than one day....at typical 2-3 GB sites a day should suffice so doable over a weekend with some time for testing.
8.03.407A....should be release next week. It got pushed out a bit from this week. Mostly EDI items and general fixes.
8.03.408......was to be end of March may be April due to 407A push out.
8.03.4xx in general will continue to have service packs as needed
8.0 will likely have no more service packs unless a critical issue comes up
6.10 will have no more service packs. There have been virtually no new issues and none critical (priority 1 or 2) in a long time.
9.0 Hardware
Recommendations from the hardware sizing tool are partly based on transaction levels and speed desired, not just number of users. SQL sites will find that lots of small disks are better than one big one. Also splitting DB from App Servers and multiple App Servers can make a big difference. It was commented that servers working for 8.03.4xx should be sufficient for 9. As far as 64-bit there are still some components that do not make use of it.
No feedback on the past Perspectives 2008. Next one will be back at Caesars in Las Vegas but a few week laters - Nov. 7-11. Some discussion of possible attendance impact of economy, ala the sparse attendance in 2001 after 9/11. Conference planning does not usually start until later in Spring.
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
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