Finite Scheduling

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Ours is a 32 bit...Do you think it's the reason why it takes so long?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@...> wrote:
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> Ours is a 64 bit version of 2003
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> Rob Bucek
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:29 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling
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> Your servers, Are they on 32 bits or 64 bits ?
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> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Richard" <richard.larose@> wrote:
> >
> > So, why it takes so long for us?
> > We have a good hardware setup...I think!
> > Do you already have this kind of results (4-5 days to run)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We are scheduling on 8.03.409a
> > >
> > > On average it schedules 4k -5k jobs
> > >
> > > Up to 7 levels deep (average is around 2 or 3)
> > >
> > > Typically 1 resource per operation
> > >
> > > About 70% of the resources are finitely scheduled (important note
> here:
> > > our finite horizon is only around 21 days, recommend you evaluate
> using
> > > this in some fashion)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Server I think is a quad core zeon 3.2 gig with 16gb ram, vantage
> runs
> > > on raid ten 5 x 146gb drives
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Run time is around 2 hrs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob Bucek
> > >
> > > Production Control Manager
> > >
> > > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> > >
> > > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> > >
> > > FAX: (715)284-4084
> > >
> > > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
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> > > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
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> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Chris Henzel
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:59 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling
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> > >
> > >
> > > Just for comparison we have around 2000 jobs with up to 10 indented
> > > levels. 80 resources, all finite. One resource per op.
> > > APS is installed but this is a recent addition to out E9
> implementation
> > > project (upgrade from 6.1) so most parts are not constrained and are
> > > purchased to stock other than a few jobs being used to test APS.
> > > Server is similar spec other than 2008 os and 24GB ram. E9.04.505C.
> > >
> > > Under 20 minutes to run global scheduling.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris Henzel
> > > Epicor 9 Project Manager
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> > > Mob: 07836 314164
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> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > behalf of Richard
> > > Sent: Thu 18/11/2010 19:35
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling
> > >
> > > u
> > >
> > > 1. Number of jobs it schedules => approx. 4000 jobs
> > > 2. How many of your resources are finite => 20-24 Machines are
> finite /
> > > Human (500) Resources are infinite.
> > > 3. How many resources -ops => Most of the time, only one.
> > > 4. # of indented levels (average) => 0 to 36
> > > 5. Hardware run on?
> > > HP Proliant DL580 G5
> > > Windows 2003 Enterprise SP2
> > > RAM 16G
> > > Disk :
> > > 12x72G 15k SAS
> > > 4x146G 10k SAS
> > > 2 controlors :
> > > C : 273G (OS)
> > > E : 136G (AI)
> > > F : 273G (DB)
> > > G : 136G (BI)
> > > Processors :
> > > 4x Quad Xeon x7350 2.93Ghz
> > > 5. Constrained materials? => This function is not working on our
> version
> > > so we don't use it...
> > > 6. APS - capabilities used? => Yes, but when we use it, we put only
> 2/3
> > > resources cause this function is very limited.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Need more information...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Number of jobs it schedules
> > > >
> > > > How many of your resources are finite/how many resources -ops
> > > >
> > > > # of indented levels (average)
> > > >
> > > > Hardware run on?
> > > >
> > > > Constrained materials?
> > > >
> > > > APS - capabilities used?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are so many variables but answering some of these questions
> may
> > > > help us answer that. Just off the cuff it seems like an
> exceedingly
> > > > long time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rob Bucek
> > > >
> > > > Production Control Manager
> > > >
> > > > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> > > >
> > > > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> > > >
> > > > FAX: (715)284-4084
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> > > >
> > > > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > On Behalf
> > > > Of Richard
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
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> > > > Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
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> > > > Is it normal the GSP in finite mode takes 5-6 days.
> > > > It takes 5-6 days to run the entire process (firm/infirm jobs)
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Richard
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We are running Vantage 5.2 322

We are testing some things with Finite Scheduling (Anyone using it out
there?)

We want to move our data over to 6.1 to do some testing but we want our
daily labor transactions to be able to be imported everyday without having
to restore a complete copy of 5.2. Can this be done?



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We are running Vantage 5.2 322

We are testing some things with Finite Scheduling (Anyone using it out
there?)

We want to move our data over to 6.1 to do some testing but we want our
daily labor transactions to be able to be imported everyday without having
to restore a complete copy of 5.2. Can this be done?



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Hey everyone,
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I have a problem with Finite scheduling and I think it is somewhere in a setup but I don't know where.
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The problem is that when we run MRP, Global Scheduling the Start Times on the some of the jobs are before Plant Opening. For instance Job 0000001 Start Time is 4:36AM and Due Time is 7:36AM. The plant doesn't start untill 7:00AM. The scheduler has to manuelly adjust each job to the correct start time and that means moving all of the other jobs as well.
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Any help would be appreciated.
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Jonathan LangÂ
Oil Rite Corporation
Sr. Network Administrator
Ph: (920) 682-6173 Ext: 126
Fax: (920) 682-7699
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> I have a problem with Finite scheduling and I think it is somewhere in a
> setup but I don't know where.
>
> The problem is that when we run MRP, Global Scheduling the Start Times on
> the some of the jobs are before Plant Opening. For instance Job 0000001
> Start Time is 4:36AM and Due Time is 7:36AM. The plant doesn't start
> untill 7:00AM. The scheduler has to manuelly adjust each job to the
> correct start time and that means moving all of the other jobs as well.

I think this is in your Production Calendar. If you open the calendar for
the resource, resource group, plant or company, you'll see the Default Hours
Per Day box. Set that to 24. Now if you want the resource available at 7:00
AM, you have to start checking the boxes starting with 7:00 AM. These
numbers on the boxes are the actual times and not number of hours. (I'm not
sure how to do the 1/2 hour start times though.)

This was mentioned at Perspectives this year and I think this will fix you
up. Give it a try and let us know if it works.

Mark W.
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Mark, We were just discussinng the same thing about the 1/2 hour.
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Victor actually brought that up to me about the pruduction calander and thhe help is very misleading.

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Mark Wonsil <mark_wonsil@...> wrote:

From: Mark Wonsil <mark_wonsil@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 1:30 PM






> I have a problem with Finite scheduling and I think it is somewhere in a
> setup but I don't know where.
>
> The problem is that when we run MRP, Global Scheduling the Start Times on
> the some of the jobs are before Plant Opening. For instance Job 0000001
> Start Time is 4:36AM and Due Time is 7:36AM. The plant doesn't start
> untill 7:00AM. The scheduler has to manuelly adjust each job to the
> correct start time and that means moving all of the other jobs as well.

I think this is in your Production Calendar. If you open the calendar for
the resource, resource group, plant or company, you'll see the Default Hours
Per Day box. Set that to 24. Now if you want the resource available at 7:00
AM, you have to start checking the boxes starting with 7:00 AM. These
numbers on the boxes are the actual times and not number of hours. (I'm not
sure how to do the 1/2 hour start times though.)

This was mentioned at Perspectives this year and I think this will fix you
up. Give it a try and let us know if it works.

Mark W.


















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Defining your capacity hours via multiple shop calendars doesn't always prevent the problems described.

The Job Entry job scheduler has a nasty habit of scheduling the 1st OP to start at midnight. This is true when the RG or R is defined as infinite OR when the OP carries no cycle time (or set up time) (and is being scheduled into finite RG or R's).

I see scattered (random) similar results after the global runs nightly and retightens the deck of job-op load. (Example: Our machine shop is 100% finite and there are about 1500 2-22 OP jobs scheduled on any given day... About 1/3rd will have at least one OP starting at midight even though this is out of the 'workday' bounds set for that resource's calendar).

It's a bug (but fortunately not a drop dead critical one like others that exist).

Rob

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Jonathan Lang <lsbestinc@...> wrote:

From: Jonathan Lang <lsbestinc@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 2:45 PM






Mark, We were just discussinng the same thing about the 1/2 hour.
Â
Victor actually brought that up to me about the pruduction calander and thhe help is very misleading.

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Mark Wonsil <mark_wonsil@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mark Wonsil <mark_wonsil@ yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 1:30 PM

> I have a problem with Finite scheduling and I think it is somewhere in a
> setup but I don't know where.
>
> The problem is that when we run MRP, Global Scheduling the Start Times on
> the some of the jobs are before Plant Opening. For instance Job 0000001
> Start Time is 4:36AM and Due Time is 7:36AM. The plant doesn't start
> untill 7:00AM. The scheduler has to manuelly adjust each job to the
> correct start time and that means moving all of the other jobs as well.

I think this is in your Production Calendar. If you open the calendar for
the resource, resource group, plant or company, you'll see the Default Hours
Per Day box. Set that to 24. Now if you want the resource available at 7:00
AM, you have to start checking the boxes starting with 7:00 AM. These
numbers on the boxes are the actual times and not number of hours. (I'm not
sure how to do the 1/2 hour start times though.)

This was mentioned at Perspectives this year and I think this will fix you
up. Give it a try and let us know if it works.

Mark W.

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Hi,

We are a custom job shop and we have some troubles to do finite schedule. Our difficulties is every single part have a different routing and every operation have a different ressource constraint. I want to know if somebody can finite schedule with Vantage and give us some help...

Best regards,

Richard
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Hi Richard -

I use partially use Finite Schedule - We also have parts that have all kinds
of routings through all sorts of operations. What I found is that only a
few of our work centers are close enough to capacity to be considered
constraints. The others, (mostly saw, laser, forming, etc) have excess
capacity, so I let Vantage infinitely schedule those work centers. The
others, primarily weld and machining are the only ones I pay attention too.
Cuts down on the noise dramatically. Which version of Vantage are you on?

Elizabeth


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling




Hi,

We are a custom job shop and we have some troubles to do finite schedule.
Our difficulties is every single part have a different routing and every
operation have a different ressource constraint. I want to know if somebody
can finite schedule with Vantage and give us some help...

Best regards,

Richard






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We too use a similar approach. We use finite scheduling on a couple resources that are machine constraints (Punching/Laser) and infinitely schedule all other resources.

We are running 9.04.506c and there is a bug in 9.04 where the finite resources will not schedule all operations finitely. Some of the operations get scheduled infinitely which results in a small overloading of the resource.

Troy

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Sent: July-05-10 1:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling



Hi Richard -

I use partially use Finite Schedule - We also have parts that have all kinds
of routings through all sorts of operations. What I found is that only a
few of our work centers are close enough to capacity to be considered
constraints. The others, (mostly saw, laser, forming, etc) have excess
capacity, so I let Vantage infinitely schedule those work centers. The
others, primarily weld and machining are the only ones I pay attention too.
Cuts down on the noise dramatically. Which version of Vantage are you on?

Elizabeth


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Richard
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling

Hi,

We are a custom job shop and we have some troubles to do finite schedule.
Our difficulties is every single part have a different routing and every
operation have a different ressource constraint. I want to know if somebody
can finite schedule with Vantage and give us some help...

Best regards,

Richard

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Is it normal the GSP in finite mode takes 5-6 days.
It takes 5-6 days to run the entire process (firm/infirm jobs)

Regards,

Richard
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Need more information...



Number of jobs it schedules

How many of your resources are finite/how many resources -ops

# of indented levels (average)

Hardware run on?

Constrained materials?

APS - capabilities used?



There are so many variables but answering some of these questions may
help us answer that. Just off the cuff it seems like an exceedingly
long time.



Rob Bucek

Production Control Manager

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling





Is it normal the GSP in finite mode takes 5-6 days.
It takes 5-6 days to run the entire process (firm/infirm jobs)

Regards,

Richard





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1. Number of jobs it schedules => approx. 4000 jobs
2. How many of your resources are finite => 20-24 Machines are finite / Human (500) Resources are infinite.
3. How many resources -ops => Most of the time, only one.
4. # of indented levels (average) => 0 to 36
5. Hardware run on?
HP Proliant DL580 G5
Windows 2003 Enterprise SP2
RAM 16G
Disk :
12x72G 15k SAS
4x146G 10k SAS
2 controlors :
C : 273G (OS)
E : 136G (AI)
F : 273G (DB)
G : 136G (BI)
Processors :
4x Quad Xeon x7350 2.93Ghz
5. Constrained materials? => This function is not working on our version so we don't use it...
6. APS - capabilities used? => Yes, but when we use it, we put only 2/3 resources cause this function is very limited.

Thanks for your help!

Regards,

Richard



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> Need more information...
>
>
>
> Number of jobs it schedules
>
> How many of your resources are finite/how many resources -ops
>
> # of indented levels (average)
>
> Hardware run on?
>
> Constrained materials?
>
> APS - capabilities used?
>
>
>
> There are so many variables but answering some of these questions may
> help us answer that. Just off the cuff it seems like an exceedingly
> long time.
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
>
>
>
>
>
> Is it normal the GSP in finite mode takes 5-6 days.
> It takes 5-6 days to run the entire process (firm/infirm jobs)
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Just for comparison we have around 2000 jobs with up to 10 indented levels. 80 resources, all finite. One resource per op.
APS is installed but this is a recent addition to out E9 implementation project (upgrade from 6.1) so most parts are not constrained and are purchased to stock other than a few jobs being used to test APS.
Server is similar spec other than 2008 os and 24GB ram. E9.04.505C.

Under 20 minutes to run global scheduling.


Chris Henzel Epicor 9 Project Manager Tel: +44 (0)1582 436150 Mob: 07836 314164

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________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Richard
Sent: Thu 18/11/2010 19:35
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling


u

1. Number of jobs it schedules => approx. 4000 jobs
2. How many of your resources are finite => 20-24 Machines are finite / Human (500) Resources are infinite.
3. How many resources -ops => Most of the time, only one.
4. # of indented levels (average) => 0 to 36
5. Hardware run on?
HP Proliant DL580 G5
Windows 2003 Enterprise SP2
RAM 16G
Disk :
12x72G 15k SAS
4x146G 10k SAS
2 controlors :
C : 273G (OS)
E : 136G (AI)
F : 273G (DB)
G : 136G (BI)
Processors :
4x Quad Xeon x7350 2.93Ghz
5. Constrained materials? => This function is not working on our version so we don't use it...
6. APS - capabilities used? => Yes, but when we use it, we put only 2/3 resources cause this function is very limited.

Thanks for your help!

Regards,

Richard

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> Need more information...
>
>
>
> Number of jobs it schedules
>
> How many of your resources are finite/how many resources -ops
>
> # of indented levels (average)
>
> Hardware run on?
>
> Constrained materials?
>
> APS - capabilities used?
>
>
>
> There are so many variables but answering some of these questions may
> help us answer that. Just off the cuff it seems like an exceedingly
> long time.
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of Richard
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
>
>
>
>
>
> Is it normal the GSP in finite mode takes 5-6 days.
> It takes 5-6 days to run the entire process (firm/infirm jobs)
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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We are scheduling on 8.03.409a

On average it schedules 4k -5k jobs

Up to 7 levels deep (average is around 2 or 3)

Typically 1 resource per operation

About 70% of the resources are finitely scheduled (important note here:
our finite horizon is only around 21 days, recommend you evaluate using
this in some fashion)



Server I think is a quad core zeon 3.2 gig with 16gb ram, vantage runs
on raid ten 5 x 146gb drives



Run time is around 2 hrs



Rob Bucek

Production Control Manager

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Henzel
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling





Just for comparison we have around 2000 jobs with up to 10 indented
levels. 80 resources, all finite. One resource per op.
APS is installed but this is a recent addition to out E9 implementation
project (upgrade from 6.1) so most parts are not constrained and are
purchased to stock other than a few jobs being used to test APS.
Server is similar spec other than 2008 os and 24GB ram. E9.04.505C.

Under 20 minutes to run global scheduling.


Chris Henzel
Epicor 9 Project Manager
Tel: +44 (0)1582 436150
Mob: 07836 314164

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________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
behalf of Richard
Sent: Thu 18/11/2010 19:35
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling

u

1. Number of jobs it schedules => approx. 4000 jobs
2. How many of your resources are finite => 20-24 Machines are finite /
Human (500) Resources are infinite.
3. How many resources -ops => Most of the time, only one.
4. # of indented levels (average) => 0 to 36
5. Hardware run on?
HP Proliant DL580 G5
Windows 2003 Enterprise SP2
RAM 16G
Disk :
12x72G 15k SAS
4x146G 10k SAS
2 controlors :
C : 273G (OS)
E : 136G (AI)
F : 273G (DB)
G : 136G (BI)
Processors :
4x Quad Xeon x7350 2.93Ghz
5. Constrained materials? => This function is not working on our version
so we don't use it...
6. APS - capabilities used? => Yes, but when we use it, we put only 2/3
resources cause this function is very limited.

Thanks for your help!

Regards,

Richard

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> Need more information...
>
>
>
> Number of jobs it schedules
>
> How many of your resources are finite/how many resources -ops
>
> # of indented levels (average)
>
> Hardware run on?
>
> Constrained materials?
>
> APS - capabilities used?
>
>
>
> There are so many variables but answering some of these questions may
> help us answer that. Just off the cuff it seems like an exceedingly
> long time.
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf
> Of Richard
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
>
>
>
>
>
> Is it normal the GSP in finite mode takes 5-6 days.
> It takes 5-6 days to run the entire process (firm/infirm jobs)
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
16
So, why it takes so long for us?
We have a good hardware setup...I think!
Do you already have this kind of results (4-5 days to run)

Regards,

Richard

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> We are scheduling on 8.03.409a
>
> On average it schedules 4k -5k jobs
>
> Up to 7 levels deep (average is around 2 or 3)
>
> Typically 1 resource per operation
>
> About 70% of the resources are finitely scheduled (important note here:
> our finite horizon is only around 21 days, recommend you evaluate using
> this in some fashion)
>
>
>
> Server I think is a quad core zeon 3.2 gig with 16gb ram, vantage runs
> on raid ten 5 x 146gb drives
>
>
>
> Run time is around 2 hrs
>
>
>
> Rob Bucek
>
> Production Control Manager
>
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
>
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
>
> FAX: (715)284-4084
>
> <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris Henzel
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:59 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling
>
>
>
>
>
> Just for comparison we have around 2000 jobs with up to 10 indented
> levels. 80 resources, all finite. One resource per op.
> APS is installed but this is a recent addition to out E9 implementation
> project (upgrade from 6.1) so most parts are not constrained and are
> purchased to stock other than a few jobs being used to test APS.
> Server is similar spec other than 2008 os and 24GB ram. E9.04.505C.
>
> Under 20 minutes to run global scheduling.
>
>
> Chris Henzel
> Epicor 9 Project Manager
> Tel: +44 (0)1582 436150
> Mob: 07836 314164
>
> This message contains confidential information and is intended only for
> the intended recipients. If you are not an intended recipient you should
> not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender
> if you have received this email by mistake and delete it from your
> system.Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or
> error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,
> destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender
> does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of
> this message, which arise as a result of email transmission. Registered
> Office: Hayward Tyler Ltd, 1 Kimpton Road, Luton, LU1 3LD, England. Tel:
> +44 (0)1582 731144. Company No. 3450138.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
> behalf of Richard
> Sent: Thu 18/11/2010 19:35
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling
>
> u
>
> 1. Number of jobs it schedules => approx. 4000 jobs
> 2. How many of your resources are finite => 20-24 Machines are finite /
> Human (500) Resources are infinite.
> 3. How many resources -ops => Most of the time, only one.
> 4. # of indented levels (average) => 0 to 36
> 5. Hardware run on?
> HP Proliant DL580 G5
> Windows 2003 Enterprise SP2
> RAM 16G
> Disk :
> 12x72G 15k SAS
> 4x146G 10k SAS
> 2 controlors :
> C : 273G (OS)
> E : 136G (AI)
> F : 273G (DB)
> G : 136G (BI)
> Processors :
> 4x Quad Xeon x7350 2.93Ghz
> 5. Constrained materials? => This function is not working on our version
> so we don't use it...
> 6. APS - capabilities used? => Yes, but when we use it, we put only 2/3
> resources cause this function is very limited.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> >
> > Need more information...
> >
> >
> >
> > Number of jobs it schedules
> >
> > How many of your resources are finite/how many resources -ops
> >
> > # of indented levels (average)
> >
> > Hardware run on?
> >
> > Constrained materials?
> >
> > APS - capabilities used?
> >
> >
> >
> > There are so many variables but answering some of these questions may
> > help us answer that. Just off the cuff it seems like an exceedingly
> > long time.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf
> > Of Richard
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it normal the GSP in finite mode takes 5-6 days.
> > It takes 5-6 days to run the entire process (firm/infirm jobs)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
17
Your servers, Are they on 32 bits or 64 bits ?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <richard.larose@...> wrote:
>
> So, why it takes so long for us?
> We have a good hardware setup...I think!
> Do you already have this kind of results (4-5 days to run)
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> >
> > We are scheduling on 8.03.409a
> >
> > On average it schedules 4k -5k jobs
> >
> > Up to 7 levels deep (average is around 2 or 3)
> >
> > Typically 1 resource per operation
> >
> > About 70% of the resources are finitely scheduled (important note here:
> > our finite horizon is only around 21 days, recommend you evaluate using
> > this in some fashion)
> >
> >
> >
> > Server I think is a quad core zeon 3.2 gig with 16gb ram, vantage runs
> > on raid ten 5 x 146gb drives
> >
> >
> >
> > Run time is around 2 hrs
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Chris Henzel
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:59 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just for comparison we have around 2000 jobs with up to 10 indented
> > levels. 80 resources, all finite. One resource per op.
> > APS is installed but this is a recent addition to out E9 implementation
> > project (upgrade from 6.1) so most parts are not constrained and are
> > purchased to stock other than a few jobs being used to test APS.
> > Server is similar spec other than 2008 os and 24GB ram. E9.04.505C.
> >
> > Under 20 minutes to run global scheduling.
> >
> >
> > Chris Henzel
> > Epicor 9 Project Manager
> > Tel: +44 (0)1582 436150
> > Mob: 07836 314164
> >
> > This message contains confidential information and is intended only for
> > the intended recipients. If you are not an intended recipient you should
> > not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the sender
> > if you have received this email by mistake and delete it from your
> > system.Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or
> > error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,
> > destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender
> > does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of
> > this message, which arise as a result of email transmission. Registered
> > Office: Hayward Tyler Ltd, 1 Kimpton Road, Luton, LU1 3LD, England. Tel:
> > +44 (0)1582 731144. Company No. 3450138.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
> > behalf of Richard
> > Sent: Thu 18/11/2010 19:35
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling
> >
> > u
> >
> > 1. Number of jobs it schedules => approx. 4000 jobs
> > 2. How many of your resources are finite => 20-24 Machines are finite /
> > Human (500) Resources are infinite.
> > 3. How many resources -ops => Most of the time, only one.
> > 4. # of indented levels (average) => 0 to 36
> > 5. Hardware run on?
> > HP Proliant DL580 G5
> > Windows 2003 Enterprise SP2
> > RAM 16G
> > Disk :
> > 12x72G 15k SAS
> > 4x146G 10k SAS
> > 2 controlors :
> > C : 273G (OS)
> > E : 136G (AI)
> > F : 273G (DB)
> > G : 136G (BI)
> > Processors :
> > 4x Quad Xeon x7350 2.93Ghz
> > 5. Constrained materials? => This function is not working on our version
> > so we don't use it...
> > 6. APS - capabilities used? => Yes, but when we use it, we put only 2/3
> > resources cause this function is very limited.
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Need more information...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Number of jobs it schedules
> > >
> > > How many of your resources are finite/how many resources -ops
> > >
> > > # of indented levels (average)
> > >
> > > Hardware run on?
> > >
> > > Constrained materials?
> > >
> > > APS - capabilities used?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are so many variables but answering some of these questions may
> > > help us answer that. Just off the cuff it seems like an exceedingly
> > > long time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob Bucek
> > >
> > > Production Control Manager
> > >
> > > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> > >
> > > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> > >
> > > FAX: (715)284-4084
> > >
> > > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> > >
> > > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf
> > > Of Richard
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is it normal the GSP in finite mode takes 5-6 days.
> > > It takes 5-6 days to run the entire process (firm/infirm jobs)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
18
Ours is a 64 bit version of 2003



Rob Bucek

Production Control Manager

PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311

Mobile: (715)896-0590

FAX: (715)284-4084

<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

(Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling





Your servers, Are they on 32 bits or 64 bits ?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Richard" <richard.larose@...> wrote:
>
> So, why it takes so long for us?
> We have a good hardware setup...I think!
> Do you already have this kind of results (4-5 days to run)
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Rob Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> >
> > We are scheduling on 8.03.409a
> >
> > On average it schedules 4k -5k jobs
> >
> > Up to 7 levels deep (average is around 2 or 3)
> >
> > Typically 1 resource per operation
> >
> > About 70% of the resources are finitely scheduled (important note
here:
> > our finite horizon is only around 21 days, recommend you evaluate
using
> > this in some fashion)
> >
> >
> >
> > Server I think is a quad core zeon 3.2 gig with 16gb ram, vantage
runs
> > on raid ten 5 x 146gb drives
> >
> >
> >
> > Run time is around 2 hrs
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> > Of Chris Henzel
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:59 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just for comparison we have around 2000 jobs with up to 10 indented
> > levels. 80 resources, all finite. One resource per op.
> > APS is installed but this is a recent addition to out E9
implementation
> > project (upgrade from 6.1) so most parts are not constrained and are
> > purchased to stock other than a few jobs being used to test APS.
> > Server is similar spec other than 2008 os and 24GB ram. E9.04.505C.
> >
> > Under 20 minutes to run global scheduling.
> >
> >
> > Chris Henzel
> > Epicor 9 Project Manager
> > Tel: +44 (0)1582 436150
> > Mob: 07836 314164
> >
> > This message contains confidential information and is intended only
for
> > the intended recipients. If you are not an intended recipient you
should
> > not disseminate, distribute or copy this email. Please notify the
sender
> > if you have received this email by mistake and delete it from your
> > system.Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or
> > error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,
> > destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender
> > does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the
contents of
> > this message, which arise as a result of email transmission.
Registered
> > Office: Hayward Tyler Ltd, 1 Kimpton Road, Luton, LU1 3LD, England.
Tel:
> > +44 (0)1582 731144. Company No. 3450138.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> on
> > behalf of Richard
> > Sent: Thu 18/11/2010 19:35
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Finite Scheduling
> >
> > u
> >
> > 1. Number of jobs it schedules => approx. 4000 jobs
> > 2. How many of your resources are finite => 20-24 Machines are
finite /
> > Human (500) Resources are infinite.
> > 3. How many resources -ops => Most of the time, only one.
> > 4. # of indented levels (average) => 0 to 36
> > 5. Hardware run on?
> > HP Proliant DL580 G5
> > Windows 2003 Enterprise SP2
> > RAM 16G
> > Disk :
> > 12x72G 15k SAS
> > 4x146G 10k SAS
> > 2 controlors :
> > C : 273G (OS)
> > E : 136G (AI)
> > F : 273G (DB)
> > G : 136G (BI)
> > Processors :
> > 4x Quad Xeon x7350 2.93Ghz
> > 5. Constrained materials? => This function is not working on our
version
> > so we don't use it...
> > 6. APS - capabilities used? => Yes, but when we use it, we put only
2/3
> > resources cause this function is very limited.
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob Bucek" <rbucek@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Need more information...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Number of jobs it schedules
> > >
> > > How many of your resources are finite/how many resources -ops
> > >
> > > # of indented levels (average)
> > >
> > > Hardware run on?
> > >
> > > Constrained materials?
> > >
> > > APS - capabilities used?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are so many variables but answering some of these questions
may
> > > help us answer that. Just off the cuff it seems like an
exceedingly
> > > long time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob Bucek
> > >
> > > Production Control Manager
> > >
> > > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> > >
> > > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> > >
> > > FAX: (715)284-4084
> > >
> > > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> > >
> > > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf
> > > Of Richard
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Finite Scheduling
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> > > Is it normal the GSP in finite mode takes 5-6 days.
> > > It takes 5-6 days to run the entire process (firm/infirm jobs)
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> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Richard
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