Finite vs. Infinite

system · October 26, 2005, 4:28pm

As an alternate suggestion, have you ever used computer simulation
to help address bottleneck, material movement, queue sizes, resource
utilization, etc.? Arena is a program I have used in the past that
can generate some very helpful insights to production issues. More
applicable for consistent manufacturing process than for custom
shops.

Michael Randolph
American Magnetics, Inc.

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>
> I've created a lot of corvu based graphs for 8 that are designed

to identify

> the bottleneck resourrce based on various factors including

calculating

> throughput, identifying the resources that have the highest

throughput

> value, identifying resources that have the most late jobs by both

number of

> jobs and days late.
>
> I have some in crystal too and you are welcome to them if they are

of use.

>
> I'm still working on the overloading calculation to see how it is

being

> written, cause I'm not sure how useful this is when finite

schedling.

>
> Gavin
>
> On 10/26/05, Ben Belzer <bbelzer@t...> wrote:
> >
> > 6.1, but we are upgrading to 8.0 very soon...
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> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Finite vs. Infinite
> >
> >
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > What version of Vantage?
> >
> > Gavin
> >
> > On 10/25/05, Ben Belzer <bbelzer@t...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was at Perspectives last week, and I had a few brainstorms.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > First of all we are going to switch from Infinite to Finite
> > scheduling.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What is the best way to tell now where we are overloaded?

Obviously

> > the
> > > overload informer will no longer work, because Vantage will

have

> > > scheduled everything finitely.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How can I tell that most jobs are late because of X? Where are

the

> > > bottlenecks?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > PS. Sorry I didn't make the meeting on Tuesday. I was hoping

to meet a

> > > bunch of you...
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system · October 25, 2005, 2:11pm

I was at Perspectives last week, and I had a few brainstorms.

First of all we are going to switch from Infinite to Finite scheduling.

What is the best way to tell now where we are overloaded? Obviously the
overload informer will no longer work, because Vantage will have
scheduled everything finitely.

How can I tell that most jobs are late because of X? Where are the
bottlenecks?

PS. Sorry I didn't make the meeting on Tuesday. I was hoping to meet a
bunch of you...

Ben Belzer
IT Manager

TCI Precision Metals
800.234.5613.W
310.323.1255.F
bbelzer@... <mailto:bbelzer@...>
www.tciprecision.com <http://www.tciprecision.com/>

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system · October 26, 2005, 11:14am

Todd,

Thanks... I'll give that a shot.

We are torn in between using infinite to benefit ourselves, and finite
to benefit the customer (by means of accurate lead times and due dates.)

We switched once, and now we are switching back to finite. We just need
to still see where we need more resources to improve the bottlenecks.

I'll try your two options.

Thanks!

Ben

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Finite vs. Infinite

Ben,

Short answer is:
(1) Look for any work centers that are close to capacity over a period
of
time.
(2) Look closely at the orders that are coming out of the system "Late".
If
you see blocks of time where these jobs were just sitting in front of
work
centers without actually running - you've found a bottle neck.

There are 2 primary ways to do finite scheduling.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
(1) Lay the orders down 1 at a time on the shop. RSS software used
this
back in the early 90's. Basically, you sequence all of your orders from
the
hottest order to the least hottest order. Say from 1 to 99 priority
where
1 is hot. Then you take each order with x-number of operations and
schedule
it through the shop. Then the next and the next etc.

The problem with this algorithm is this scenario: Assume no lunch hrs
for
sake of argument ...
Order 1 - 4 hrs at work center A on Monday from 8am to 12pm. Then off
to
other work centers.
Order 2 - 4 hrs at work center C on Monday from 8am to 12pm. Move time
1
hr. Next operation goes to work center A for 3 hrs. Or, from 1pm to
4pm.

You now have a block of time from 12pm to 1pm that is open but is
probably
to small to be used by any job and you don't want to setup a job for 1
hr
just so you can tear it down at 1pm for the -correct- job to run.

With this routine you end up with sort of a Swiss cheese effect and
usually
never quite get to 100% utilization so you have to look for work centers
that are near full load.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
(2) First come first serve. Pritsker out of Chicago was selling this
routine, also back in the early 90's for BIG bucks. Basically you sort
all
of the operations from all of the orders by work center. Load into
memory
in table format. Any operations that are active are "Live" on those
work
centers.

When the routine runs it does the following:
- Scan all work centers in a loop - active operations are scheduled to
completion on each work center and then it reaches out to the next
operation
for those orders and indicates the time the next operation will be
"Available".
- Loop through the work center tables until all jobs are complete - with
each loop you schedule the next available operation on -any- work
center.
- If there is more than 1 operation that is available - mathematically
compute the job most at risk of not getting done on time and make it the
next operation.

Sort of looks like this:

Work center A - 27 jobs in the current load have operations that go
through
this work center. Job 5 is live on Monday from 8am to 11am. At 11 am
it is
determined that job 3/operation-20 is at the work center and ready to
run -
so it goes from 11am to 1pm. Job 1 is hotter then job 11 but wasn't
available until 12pm - tuff luck - but it will be scheduled from 1pm to
5 pm
and then to be finished on Tues when the machine is active again at 8am.
1
day - 100% load.

Some companies tried to do this reading and writing the tables to disk.
Run
time was days ... If you do it in memory it can be done but requires a
lot
of horsepower. Back in 91-92 you needed serious machines to even
consider
this.
----------------------------------------------------------
With either algorithm what you also want to do is run a days early/late
report for all of you jobs. As in, given your finite resources which
jobs
are ending up late?

If you then look at the scheduling for those jobs you should see periods
of
time in the operation sequence where the job stalled out waiting to get
on a
work center then you've found your bottle neck work center.

With the RSS logic above you could graph your utilization rates for each
work center. If they ramped up to 90-100% and held there they were
potentially overloaded.

With the Pritsker routine all you did was look for the work centers that
were exactly at 100% over a period of days.

Good luck !

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Of
Ben Belzer
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:09 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Finite vs. Infinite

I was at Perspectives last week, and I had a few brainstorms.

First of all we are going to switch from Infinite to Finite scheduling.

What is the best way to tell now where we are overloaded? Obviously the
overload informer will no longer work, because Vantage will have
scheduled everything finitely.

How can I tell that most jobs are late because of X? Where are the
bottlenecks?

PS. Sorry I didn't make the meeting on Tuesday. I was hoping to meet a
bunch of you...

Ben Belzer
IT Manager

TCI Precision Metals
800.234.5613.W
310.323.1255.F
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system · October 26, 2005, 12:36pm

Ben,

What version of Vantage?

Gavin

On 10/25/05, Ben Belzer <bbelzer@...> wrote:
>
> I was at Perspectives last week, and I had a few brainstorms.
>
>
>
> First of all we are going to switch from Infinite to Finite scheduling.
>
>
>
> What is the best way to tell now where we are overloaded? Obviously the
> overload informer will no longer work, because Vantage will have
> scheduled everything finitely.
>
>
>
> How can I tell that most jobs are late because of X? Where are the
> bottlenecks?
>
>
>
>
>
> PS. Sorry I didn't make the meeting on Tuesday. I was hoping to meet a
> bunch of you...
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben Belzer
> IT Manager
>
> TCI Precision Metals
> 800.234.5613.W
> 310.323.1255.F
> bbelzer@... <mailto:bbelzer@...>
> www.tciprecision.com <http://www.tciprecision.com> <
> http://www.tciprecision.com/>
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>
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system · October 26, 2005, 12:51pm

6.1, but we are upgrading to 8.0 very soon...

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Of Gavin Davidson
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Finite vs. Infinite

Ben,

What version of Vantage?

Gavin

On 10/25/05, Ben Belzer <bbelzer@...> wrote:
>
> I was at Perspectives last week, and I had a few brainstorms.
>
>
>
> First of all we are going to switch from Infinite to Finite
scheduling.
>
>
>
> What is the best way to tell now where we are overloaded? Obviously
the
> overload informer will no longer work, because Vantage will have
> scheduled everything finitely.
>
>
>
> How can I tell that most jobs are late because of X? Where are the
> bottlenecks?
>
>
>
>
>
> PS. Sorry I didn't make the meeting on Tuesday. I was hoping to meet a
> bunch of you...
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben Belzer
> IT Manager
>
> TCI Precision Metals
> 800.234.5613.W
> 310.323.1255.F
> bbelzer@... <mailto:bbelzer@...>
> www.tciprecision.com <http://www.tciprecision.com> <
> http://www.tciprecision.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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system · October 26, 2005, 1:12pm

I've created a lot of corvu based graphs for 8 that are designed to identify
the bottleneck resourrce based on various factors including calculating
throughput, identifying the resources that have the highest throughput
value, identifying resources that have the most late jobs by both number of
jobs and days late.

I have some in crystal too and you are welcome to them if they are of use.

I'm still working on the overloading calculation to see how it is being
written, cause I'm not sure how useful this is when finite schedling.

Gavin

On 10/26/05, Ben Belzer <bbelzer@...> wrote:
>
> 6.1, but we are upgrading to 8.0 very soon...
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Gavin Davidson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Finite vs. Infinite
>
>
>
> Ben,
>
> What version of Vantage?
>
> Gavin
>
> On 10/25/05, Ben Belzer <bbelzer@...> wrote:
> >
> > I was at Perspectives last week, and I had a few brainstorms.
> >
> >
> >
> > First of all we are going to switch from Infinite to Finite
> scheduling.
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> >
> >
> > What is the best way to tell now where we are overloaded? Obviously
> the
> > overload informer will no longer work, because Vantage will have
> > scheduled everything finitely.
> >
> >
> >
> > How can I tell that most jobs are late because of X? Where are the
> > bottlenecks?
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> >
> > PS. Sorry I didn't make the meeting on Tuesday. I was hoping to meet a
> > bunch of you...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ben Belzer
> > IT Manager
> >
> > TCI Precision Metals
> > 800.234.5613.W
> > 310.323.1255.F
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> Gavin Davidson
> Manufacturing Systems Corp
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