Fire Safes

My experience with fire safes is from a volunteer fireman's
perspective. They protect paper well if you don't open them when
they're hot. I haven't looked at ratings but after a fire they are left
to cool down for a day before opening. The paper inside may be
above the flammable point but there is no oxygen to let it burn.
Tapes are another story. They would be heat damaged at 250 F if
not sooner.
Having said all that... our tapes are in a fire proof safe. They're in
a separate building. The fire proof safe is better than a regular
filing cabinet. I know one company send a tape home with a
employee. The chance of a disaster affecting both is very slim.

On 1 May 2001, at 10:01, Gary Polvinale wrote:

As part of our Vantage recovery plan, I'm getting a
fire-proof safe. Any
suggestions as to what is best? It doesn't look like
there is that much to
it. Seems that a 2-hr rated would do it. But does a
fire safe protect
tapes from the heat? We will also be using off-site
storage, but plan to
keep most items in the fire safe.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD


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Russ Dover
IS Manager
Weaver Industries, Inc.
717 336 7507 phone
717 336 4182 fax
rdover@...
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As part of our Vantage recovery plan, I'm getting a fire-proof safe. Any
suggestions as to what is best? It doesn't look like there is that much to
it. Seems that a 2-hr rated would do it. But does a fire safe protect
tapes from the heat? We will also be using off-site storage, but plan to
keep most items in the fire safe.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD


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I hope to backup to an off-site computer (my home PC, some web-site that provides storage, not sure yet). Then I don't have to carry yesterday's tapes around.

Rick Gors
MR/MMIS
Osco

Gary Polvinale wrote:

> As part of our Vantage recovery plan, I'm getting a fire-proof safe. Any
> suggestions as to what is best? It doesn't look like there is that much to
> it. Seems that a 2-hr rated would do it. But does a fire safe protect
> tapes from the heat? We will also be using off-site storage, but plan to
> keep most items in the fire safe.
>
> Gary Polvinale
> Denton ATD
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Watch the warnings on the fire proof safes. Most mention they are not
intended to protect tapes and disks from heat damage.

Jim Heidner
William Frick & Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:01 AM
To: Vantage@Yahoogroups. Com
Subject: [Vantage] Fire Safes

As part of our Vantage recovery plan, I'm getting a fire-proof safe. Any
suggestions as to what is best? It doesn't look like there is that much to
it. Seems that a 2-hr rated would do it. But does a fire safe protect
tapes from the heat? We will also be using off-site storage, but plan to
keep most items in the fire safe.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
Offsite backup may not be the best solution, as even DSL connections are
much slower than a tape drive. Web based backup is risky, as you have no
direct control over the security of the data you are backing up.

Tapes are still the best option for us, as we are backing up over 50GB of
data every night, and a web-based backup on our ISDN line would take a
couple of months.

Check out the fire safes at
http://www.safesmith.com/store/category.cfm?categoryid=1

Thaddeus Jacobs,

Kinematic Automation, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Fire Safes


I hope to backup to an off-site computer (my home PC, some web-site that
provides storage, not sure yet). Then I don't have to carry yesterday's
tapes around.

Rick Gors
MR/MMIS
Osco

Gary Polvinale wrote:

> As part of our Vantage recovery plan, I'm getting a fire-proof safe. Any
> suggestions as to what is best? It doesn't look like there is that much
to
> it. Seems that a 2-hr rated would do it. But does a fire safe protect
> tapes from the heat? We will also be using off-site storage, but plan to
> keep most items in the fire safe.
>
> Gary Polvinale
> Denton ATD
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
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Thanks. Good site.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Fire Safes


Offsite backup may not be the best solution, as even DSL connections are
much slower than a tape drive. Web based backup is risky, as you have no
direct control over the security of the data you are backing up.

Tapes are still the best option for us, as we are backing up over 50GB of
data every night, and a web-based backup on our ISDN line would take a
couple of months.

Check out the fire safes at
http://www.safesmith.com/store/category.cfm?categoryid=1

Thaddeus Jacobs,

Kinematic Automation, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Fire Safes


I hope to backup to an off-site computer (my home PC, some web-site that
provides storage, not sure yet). Then I don't have to carry yesterday's
tapes around.

Rick Gors
MR/MMIS
Osco

Gary Polvinale wrote:

> As part of our Vantage recovery plan, I'm getting a fire-proof safe. Any
> suggestions as to what is best? It doesn't look like there is that much
to
> it. Seems that a 2-hr rated would do it. But does a fire safe protect
> tapes from the heat? We will also be using off-site storage, but plan to
> keep most items in the fire safe.
>
> Gary Polvinale
> Denton ATD
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


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I have a FireKing safe, which has been serving me well. My nightly back ups
are all on tape. I did want to have something off site, so I found a local
company which collects my Monday night back up tapes on Wednesday and stores
them for a month. Their fee is relatively small ($90/mo) considering the
fact they have to make a fair size round trip each week. Their storage
facility has all kinds of safety measures and insurances...

Just another option...

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:52 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Fire Safes


Thanks. Good site.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:19 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Fire Safes


Offsite backup may not be the best solution, as even DSL connections are
much slower than a tape drive. Web based backup is risky, as you have no
direct control over the security of the data you are backing up.

Tapes are still the best option for us, as we are backing up over 50GB of
data every night, and a web-based backup on our ISDN line would take a
couple of months.

Check out the fire safes at
http://www.safesmith.com/store/category.cfm?categoryid=1
<http://www.safesmith.com/store/category.cfm?categoryid=1>

Thaddeus Jacobs,

Kinematic Automation, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Gors [mailto:rgors@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Fire Safes


I hope to backup to an off-site computer (my home PC, some web-site that
provides storage, not sure yet). Then I don't have to carry yesterday's
tapes around.

Rick Gors
MR/MMIS
Osco

Gary Polvinale wrote:

> As part of our Vantage recovery plan, I'm getting a fire-proof safe. Any
> suggestions as to what is best? It doesn't look like there is that much
to
> it. Seems that a 2-hr rated would do it. But does a fire safe protect
> tapes from the heat? We will also be using off-site storage, but plan to
> keep most items in the fire safe.
>
> Gary Polvinale
> Denton ATD
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
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