Yes you should see the changes.
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We don't use move/queue (a real 'no no' to do so except in RARE conditions where it really is needed to model your capacity environment - and Vantage's move & queue - since never 'consumed' is a bad imlementation of it anyway).
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Last I checked this behavior was on 305 when piloting & (at that time) move/queue changes at the resource level ABSOLUTELY were reflected in schedules after the global was run.
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I suppose that (since 305) Epicor coulkd have changed this. WHY they would I don't know.
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Why make it a resource controlled value if it doesn't ripple through and effect existing jobs?... What, do they expect you to regen all the details of all your jobs in order to have it take effect?!?!??!... Wait a minute... This is Epicor... They probably DO! {;o
Rob
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We don't use move/queue (a real 'no no' to do so except in RARE conditions where it really is needed to model your capacity environment - and Vantage's move & queue - since never 'consumed' is a bad imlementation of it anyway).
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Last I checked this behavior was on 305 when piloting & (at that time) move/queue changes at the resource level ABSOLUTELY were reflected in schedules after the global was run.
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I suppose that (since 305) Epicor coulkd have changed this. WHY they would I don't know.
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Why make it a resource controlled value if it doesn't ripple through and effect existing jobs?... What, do they expect you to regen all the details of all your jobs in order to have it take effect?!?!??!... Wait a minute... This is Epicor... They probably DO! {;o
Rob
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--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Tony Hughes <thughes281@...> wrote:
From: Tony Hughes <thughes281@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] global scheduling in "what-if"
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 10:06 AM
Thank you Robert for your help.
Now I'm even more confused...
I was speaking with Epicor and they told me that changes to Resource Group properties are not taken in to account when running Global Schedule, which makes sense, but I specifically asked about Queue Hours and Move Hours, and the help desk person told me no.
If I made a change to a queue time in a Resource Group, then went a ran Global Schedule in What If, then opened this job in Job Sched. Board, would I not see the yellow "What-If" band look different if the changes were in effect?
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From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ yahoo.com>
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:59:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] global scheduling in "what-if"
Not entirely true. Changes to move/queue or calendar defined capacity ARE reflected in a global resched.
Changes to resource group/resource enabling for Yield Qty recalc are reflected immediately (assuming the rest of the system is set up to use it).
Changes to the In, Out and Backflush whse/bins are NOT reflected in updated job details.
Changes to resource group/resource set up & run labor rates are NOT reflected in existing job details
Changing a Std Operation (calling commonly used combos of resources, resource groups & capabilities) that are themselves called out in Methods (and ultimately copied at time of job detail creation to job details) do not autoimpact methods nor job details.
This last one is ridiculous as the entire 'inheritance' model of resource groups/resources/ Std OPs is ridiculously complex compared to other systems that achieve much better models (and schedules) with far less effort. Not having at least an Action method available in Std OP Entry to mass update all methods renders useless ANY potential benefits of the OOP-like inheritance data structures.
I get it that job details don't auto-adjust - but even there, a reasonably simple utility should exist to update job details (selectively) based on changes to Std Ops (or resource group/resource labor & ohd costs).
Like nearly everything in v8, this is another process paradigm that is grossly overcomplicated - but never COMPLETED by programming to make it worth it.
Epicor really needs NON programmers running the design/programming division... These people should be experts in the various process phases of manufacturing & business in general and have broad experience in the real world.
No WAY the product we see now was influenced significantly by anyone inside Epicor that ever actually USED these types of systems over the last 3 decades. (And if I'm wrong, that person or persons should be fired as they are failing miserably.)
Rob
--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Tony Hughes <thughes281@ yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Tony Hughes <thughes281@ yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] global scheduling in "what-if"
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:38 AM
Also, I understand that a change to a Resource Group will not pass to WIP when Global Scheduling is run. Is this true?
example, I change a Queue time or something, that change doesn't push out to WIP.
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From: Tony Hughes <thughes281@ yahoo. com>
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:28:12 AM
Subject: [Vantage] global scheduling in "what-if"
What evidence would I have that the "What-If" actually ran?
other than no errors in the log file.
Tony
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