Help... Plotter for engineering

Best I could find in $5 $10K range is HP Designjets

But Spec is and I quote from their data sheet:

accuracy of +/-0.2%

and 0.2% of (100ftx12) = 1,200" x .002 = 2.4"

All that being said, I have the same problem as you but our Boeing parts
tend to be in the 10 to 60 foot long range.

I think Gerber still makes flatbed plotters that have the accuracy but not
the length and they are very $$$$.

We ended up buying an HP Designjet 500 and tested it's accuracy up to 10
feet only. When plotting on stress relieved 4 mil Mylar we got way better
results than the spec quoted (I can't remember the number but our QA dept
was happy when they measured it on our CMM).

Old tractor fed pen plotters could be programmed with scale factors to get
very good results but they don't seem to make these anymore (inkjet
technology has taken over) if there is a manufacturer still out there I
would guess that it would again be a pricey solution.

Also the inkjet's are all pinch roll fed, so that is also a good source of
error on long plots.

What our QA guys do is calibrate the longer plots to a standard and then use
the correction factor when using the plot as a template. Also the medium
used to plot on is very critical, paper and velum are useless, even if the
plotter did draw a perfect 100ft long line, as soon as the temperature and
or humidity changed or the plot got rolled up too tight it could change by
0.250" from the media shrink or stretching. Even 4 mil Mylar will move!!
Boeing had us machining 64 foot wing skins that have an extra 0.250" on one
end just to compensate for all these movements and tolerance stack errors
that occur.

Good luck, and let me know if you find one that satisfies your 0.02"
requirement.

Regards,

Jerry Solobay
It/IS Manager
Ebco Aerospace

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:01 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


Well, to be honest, I was sure so I went back to the Catia Engineer and he
said we needed to be accurate to within .02 inches per 100ft. He said we
needed at least a 36" plotter. From what I understand, this is a Boeing
requirement to be able to use Mylars as tools.
Thanks for your help.
Jeremy
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I know this has nothing to do with Vantage but does anyone know of a
good vendor for a plotter with 1.005 accuracy? My engineering
department needs one and I am out of my league on this.
Thanks
Jeremy
I.T. Manager
K-T Corp
Check with Hewlett-Packard. I've got two HP plotters that are work horses.
Xerox also has some but are a bit more pricey.

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Meadville, PA 16335 p8143336331 x236 f8143372548 tlw@...
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-----Original Message-----
From: sqlguy29in [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering

I know this has nothing to do with Vantage but does anyone know of a
good vendor for a plotter with 1.005 accuracy? My engineering
department needs one and I am out of my league on this.
Thanks
Jeremy
I.T. Manager
K-T Corp





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What do you mean by 1.005 accuracy?

Also what units of measure and what is the maximum size that you would need
to plot?

Jerry Solobay

Ebco Aerospace


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


I know this has nothing to do with Vantage but does anyone know of a
good vendor for a plotter with 1.005 accuracy? My engineering
department needs one and I am out of my league on this.
Thanks
Jeremy
I.T. Manager
K-T Corp




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Well, to be honest, I was sure so I went back to the Catia Engineer and he
said we needed to be accurate to within .02 inches per 100ft. He said we
needed at least a 36" plotter. From what I understand, this is a Boeing
requirement to be able to use Mylars as tools.
Thanks for your help.
Jeremy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Solobay [mailto:jsolobay@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


What do you mean by 1.005 accuracy?

Also what units of measure and what is the maximum size that you would need
to plot?

Jerry Solobay

Ebco Aerospace


-----Original Message-----
From: sqlguy29in [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


I know this has nothing to do with Vantage but does anyone know of a
good vendor for a plotter with 1.005 accuracy? My engineering
department needs one and I am out of my league on this.
Thanks
Jeremy
I.T. Manager
K-T Corp




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Jeremy,

Where in the world are you ?

In the Midwest I would strongly suggest you call Master Graphics -
800-873-7238

Also - check out www.oce.com <http://www.oce.com> OCE mfg's and sells
seriously good E-size ( 36 " ) laser printers and scanners. Expect $ 7,000
- $ 20,000 price tags for this kind of equipment.

HP sells inkjet based printers for $ 1,500 - $ 2,000 range ( we have one )
which are fine for occasional prints but a complex E-size print can take 5
to 10 minutes. OCE has laser printers that will knock this stuff out at
pages per minute speed.

Actually - given your situation I would call Master Graphics either way. If
they can't help you directly they can probably point you to a vendor in your
area that can.

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:01 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


Well, to be honest, I was sure so I went back to the Catia Engineer and he
said we needed to be accurate to within .02 inches per 100ft. He said we
needed at least a 36" plotter. From what I understand, this is a Boeing
requirement to be able to use Mylars as tools.
Thanks for your help.
Jeremy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Solobay [mailto:jsolobay@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


What do you mean by 1.005 accuracy?

Also what units of measure and what is the maximum size that you would need
to plot?

Jerry Solobay

Ebco Aerospace


-----Original Message-----
From: sqlguy29in [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


I know this has nothing to do with Vantage but does anyone know of a
good vendor for a plotter with 1.005 accuracy? My engineering
department needs one and I am out of my league on this.
Thanks
Jeremy
I.T. Manager
K-T Corp




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We are in Indianapolis. We have a very nice OCE 9400 scanner/plotter that
we paid $24K for this summer but the accuracy isn't good enough to print
mylars 100+ ft long. We stretch form aircraft Webs and submarine parts that
are often over 100 ft long and we use the Mylars as a tool for drilling and
inspection.


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:05 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


Jeremy,

Where in the world are you ?

In the Midwest I would strongly suggest you call Master Graphics -
800-873-7238

Also - check out www.oce.com <http://www.oce.com> OCE mfg's and sells
seriously good E-size ( 36 " ) laser printers and scanners. Expect $ 7,000
- $ 20,000 price tags for this kind of equipment.

HP sells inkjet based printers for $ 1,500 - $ 2,000 range ( we have one )
which are fine for occasional prints but a complex E-size print can take 5
to 10 minutes. OCE has laser printers that will knock this stuff out at
pages per minute speed.

Actually - given your situation I would call Master Graphics either way. If
they can't help you directly they can probably point you to a vendor in your
area that can.

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:01 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


Well, to be honest, I was sure so I went back to the Catia Engineer and he
said we needed to be accurate to within .02 inches per 100ft. He said we
needed at least a 36" plotter. From what I understand, this is a Boeing
requirement to be able to use Mylars as tools.
Thanks for your help.
Jeremy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Solobay [mailto:jsolobay@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


What do you mean by 1.005 accuracy?

Also what units of measure and what is the maximum size that you would need
to plot?

Jerry Solobay

Ebco Aerospace


-----Original Message-----
From: sqlguy29in [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


I know this has nothing to do with Vantage but does anyone know of a
good vendor for a plotter with 1.005 accuracy? My engineering
department needs one and I am out of my league on this.
Thanks
Jeremy
I.T. Manager
K-T Corp




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egads ... Have you called Boeing for suggestions ?

So, you're talking about $ 30K plus for something like this ?

Better you than me ....

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:20 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


We are in Indianapolis. We have a very nice OCE 9400 scanner/plotter that
we paid $24K for this summer but the accuracy isn't good enough to print
mylars 100+ ft long. We stretch form aircraft Webs and submarine parts that
are often over 100 ft long and we use the Mylars as a tool for drilling and
inspection.


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:05 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


Jeremy,

Where in the world are you ?

In the Midwest I would strongly suggest you call Master Graphics -
800-873-7238

Also - check out www.oce.com < http://www.oce.com <http://www.oce.com> >
OCE mfg's and sells
seriously good E-size ( 36 " ) laser printers and scanners. Expect $ 7,000
- $ 20,000 price tags for this kind of equipment.

HP sells inkjet based printers for $ 1,500 - $ 2,000 range ( we have one )
which are fine for occasional prints but a complex E-size print can take 5
to 10 minutes. OCE has laser printers that will knock this stuff out at
pages per minute speed.

Actually - given your situation I would call Master Graphics either way. If
they can't help you directly they can probably point you to a vendor in your
area that can.

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:01 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


Well, to be honest, I was sure so I went back to the Catia Engineer and he
said we needed to be accurate to within .02 inches per 100ft. He said we
needed at least a 36" plotter. From what I understand, this is a Boeing
requirement to be able to use Mylars as tools.
Thanks for your help.
Jeremy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Solobay [mailto:jsolobay@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


What do you mean by 1.005 accuracy?

Also what units of measure and what is the maximum size that you would need
to plot?

Jerry Solobay

Ebco Aerospace


-----Original Message-----
From: sqlguy29in [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Help... Plotter for engineering


I know this has nothing to do with Vantage but does anyone know of a
good vendor for a plotter with 1.005 accuracy? My engineering
department needs one and I am out of my league on this.
Thanks
Jeremy
I.T. Manager
K-T Corp




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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .




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