Job Tear Downs

That is exactly the program modification I created, a drop down list over
the Notes field. I also added it to the select screens where SETUP and
PRODUCTION are because our operators report when they are doing something
and not when its done. This views in the Trackers also. You can see a
machine down on Inspection or Tooling Repair and like I said the best part
is it's all direct labor.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:28 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


Something similar could be done using the Notes area on Production End
Activity, if people could be trusted to make consistent entries. Making a
note something like **TD02 would capture the info and be easy to parse in
reports. Still it would be costed as production so is not as nice as if
there were multiple "setup" types in a table of their own.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


Even a niftier Idea.

Todd & Rick,

Labor Detail has a VBFORM field but you can only access this thru Labor
Entry.

If VBFORMS was added to the Data Collection / Start Activity Screen (where
Setup and Production are selected) and also on the Work Queue screen when
you select for work.

You could add your own drop down list for sub SETUP and PRODUCTION types.

Example:
00 Normal (setup or production)
02 Tear down
04 Down for Inspection
06 Down for tooling repair
08 Down no material/Operator.
etc...

You could then run all kinds of analysis on down time but the kicker is its
all direct labor.

I'm already doing this with program mods I have written however I have been
trying to persuade Epicor to add VBFORMS boxes then I would not need the
mods.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:46 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


Rick,

Another nifty idea would be to persuade EPICOR that if having a "Setup"
block of time makes sense - so does a "Tear-Down" block of time. We use
Setup for both. We can actually set up a flame cut table in 20 minutes.
The tear down/unload cycle sometimes takes over a hour.

If you log your tear down time to production you will inflate the time per
piece and if you ever decide to update your masters with the
"Actual-Average" time per piece you may find the #'s a bit odd.

I like the "Tear Down" time myself although I would guess that the odds of
getting EPICOR to add such a concept are very very slim.

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Wakefield [mailto:cadcam@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


I think the plan your considering is the simplest solution. Use 50%
partial set-up before production and 100% complete after production.
--- In vantage@y..., dans@t... wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> I am wondering how some of you handle the tear downs from one job to
> another. Some jobs take hours to dis-assemble, and some can be
done rather
> quickly.
>
> We are considering logging back into setup to record the time it
takes to
> tear down a job. Another school of thought is to remain in on
production
> for that operation sequence.
>
> We are really trying to watch our costs and are putting pressure on
our
> employees to accurately record their labor to the right jobs.
>
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, as always :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel C. Spoerl
> Estimator/MIS Manager
> Toledo Metal Spinning Co.
> Phone: (419) 535-5931 ext. 203
> Fax: (419) 535-0565
> Personal E-fax: (707) 897-1708
> Email: HYPERLINK
> "mailto:dans@t..."dans@t...
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Hi Gang,
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I am wondering how some of you handle the tear downs from one job to
another. Some jobs take hours to dis-assemble, and some can be done rather
quickly.Â
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We are considering logging back into setup to record the time it takes to
tear down a job. Another school of thought is to remain in on production
for that operation sequence.
Â
We are really trying to watch our costs and are putting pressure on our
employees to accurately record their labor to the right jobs.
Â
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, as always :-)
Â
Thanks,

Daniel C. Spoerl
Estimator/MIS Manager
Toledo Metal Spinning Co.
Phone: (419) 535-5931 ext. 203
Fax:Â Â Â (419) 535-0565Â
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I think the plan your considering is the simplest solution. Use 50%
partial set-up before production and 100% complete after production.
--- In vantage@y..., dans@t... wrote:
> Hi Gang,
> Â
> I am wondering how some of you handle the tear downs from one job to
> another. Some jobs take hours to dis-assemble, and some can be
done rather
> quickly.Â
> Â
> We are considering logging back into setup to record the time it
takes to
> tear down a job. Another school of thought is to remain in on
production
> for that operation sequence.
> Â
> We are really trying to watch our costs and are putting pressure on
our
> employees to accurately record their labor to the right jobs.
> Â
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, as always :-)
> Â
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel C. Spoerl
> Estimator/MIS Manager
> Toledo Metal Spinning Co.
> Phone: (419) 535-5931 ext. 203
> Fax:Â Â Â (419) 535-0565Â
> Personal E-fax: (707) 897-1708Â
> Email:Â Â Â HYPERLINK
> "mailto:dans@t..."dans@t...
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Rick,

Another nifty idea would be to persuade EPICOR that if having a "Setup"
block of time makes sense - so does a "Tear-Down" block of time. We use
Setup for both. We can actually set up a flame cut table in 20 minutes.
The tear down/unload cycle sometimes takes over a hour.

If you log your tear down time to production you will inflate the time per
piece and if you ever decide to update your masters with the
"Actual-Average" time per piece you may find the #'s a bit odd.

I like the "Tear Down" time myself although I would guess that the odds of
getting EPICOR to add such a concept are very very slim.

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Wakefield [mailto:cadcam@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


I think the plan your considering is the simplest solution. Use 50%
partial set-up before production and 100% complete after production.
--- In vantage@y..., dans@t... wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> I am wondering how some of you handle the tear downs from one job to
> another. Some jobs take hours to dis-assemble, and some can be
done rather
> quickly.
>
> We are considering logging back into setup to record the time it
takes to
> tear down a job. Another school of thought is to remain in on
production
> for that operation sequence.
>
> We are really trying to watch our costs and are putting pressure on
our
> employees to accurately record their labor to the right jobs.
>
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, as always :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel C. Spoerl
> Estimator/MIS Manager
> Toledo Metal Spinning Co.
> Phone: (419) 535-5931 ext. 203
> Fax: (419) 535-0565
> Personal E-fax: (707) 897-1708
> Email: HYPERLINK
> "mailto:dans@t..."dans@t...
> WebSite: HYPERLINK
> " http://www.toledometalspinning.com/
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Even a niftier Idea.

Todd & Rick,

Labor Detail has a VBFORM field but you can only access this thru Labor
Entry.

If VBFORMS was added to the Data Collection / Start Activity Screen (where
Setup and Production are selected) and also on the Work Queue screen when
you select for work.

You could add your own drop down list for sub SETUP and PRODUCTION types.

Example:
00 Normal (setup or production)
02 Tear down
04 Down for Inspection
06 Down for tooling repair
08 Down no material/Operator.
etc...

You could then run all kinds of analysis on down time but the kicker is its
all direct labor.

I'm already doing this with program mods I have written however I have been
trying to persuade Epicor to add VBFORMS boxes then I would not need the
mods.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:46 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


Rick,

Another nifty idea would be to persuade EPICOR that if having a "Setup"
block of time makes sense - so does a "Tear-Down" block of time. We use
Setup for both. We can actually set up a flame cut table in 20 minutes.
The tear down/unload cycle sometimes takes over a hour.

If you log your tear down time to production you will inflate the time per
piece and if you ever decide to update your masters with the
"Actual-Average" time per piece you may find the #'s a bit odd.

I like the "Tear Down" time myself although I would guess that the odds of
getting EPICOR to add such a concept are very very slim.

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Wakefield [mailto:cadcam@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


I think the plan your considering is the simplest solution. Use 50%
partial set-up before production and 100% complete after production.
--- In vantage@y..., dans@t... wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> I am wondering how some of you handle the tear downs from one job to
> another. Some jobs take hours to dis-assemble, and some can be
done rather
> quickly.
>
> We are considering logging back into setup to record the time it
takes to
> tear down a job. Another school of thought is to remain in on
production
> for that operation sequence.
>
> We are really trying to watch our costs and are putting pressure on
our
> employees to accurately record their labor to the right jobs.
>
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, as always :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel C. Spoerl
> Estimator/MIS Manager
> Toledo Metal Spinning Co.
> Phone: (419) 535-5931 ext. 203
> Fax: (419) 535-0565
> Personal E-fax: (707) 897-1708
> Email: HYPERLINK
> "mailto:dans@t..."dans@t...
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Something similar could be done using the Notes area on Production End
Activity, if people could be trusted to make consistent entries. Making a
note something like **TD02 would capture the info and be easy to parse in
reports. Still it would be costed as production so is not as nice as if
there were multiple "setup" types in a table of their own.
-Todd C.

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From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


Even a niftier Idea.

Todd & Rick,

Labor Detail has a VBFORM field but you can only access this thru Labor
Entry.

If VBFORMS was added to the Data Collection / Start Activity Screen (where
Setup and Production are selected) and also on the Work Queue screen when
you select for work.

You could add your own drop down list for sub SETUP and PRODUCTION types.

Example:
00 Normal (setup or production)
02 Tear down
04 Down for Inspection
06 Down for tooling repair
08 Down no material/Operator.
etc...

You could then run all kinds of analysis on down time but the kicker is its
all direct labor.

I'm already doing this with program mods I have written however I have been
trying to persuade Epicor to add VBFORMS boxes then I would not need the
mods.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:46 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


Rick,

Another nifty idea would be to persuade EPICOR that if having a "Setup"
block of time makes sense - so does a "Tear-Down" block of time. We use
Setup for both. We can actually set up a flame cut table in 20 minutes.
The tear down/unload cycle sometimes takes over a hour.

If you log your tear down time to production you will inflate the time per
piece and if you ever decide to update your masters with the
"Actual-Average" time per piece you may find the #'s a bit odd.

I like the "Tear Down" time myself although I would guess that the odds of
getting EPICOR to add such a concept are very very slim.

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Wakefield [mailto:cadcam@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Job Tear Downs


I think the plan your considering is the simplest solution. Use 50%
partial set-up before production and 100% complete after production.
--- In vantage@y..., dans@t... wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> I am wondering how some of you handle the tear downs from one job to
> another. Some jobs take hours to dis-assemble, and some can be
done rather
> quickly.
>
> We are considering logging back into setup to record the time it
takes to
> tear down a job. Another school of thought is to remain in on
production
> for that operation sequence.
>
> We are really trying to watch our costs and are putting pressure on
our
> employees to accurately record their labor to the right jobs.
>
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, as always :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel C. Spoerl
> Estimator/MIS Manager
> Toledo Metal Spinning Co.
> Phone: (419) 535-5931 ext. 203
> Fax: (419) 535-0565
> Personal E-fax: (707) 897-1708
> Email: HYPERLINK
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>



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