Todd,
I see, said the blind man.
But with that type of machine you should be able to have rock solid
production standards set since your cut rates would be an accurate figure
probably related to what material you are using, correct. How would
splitting by qty complete work for you since a 8 X 8 cutout would take less
time then a 24 x 24 cutout. You would create qty 1 in both cases. Similar
in respect to the feed rate on a screw machine.
My point I was trying to make is that by using the standard production rate
to assign labor time would be a common denominator between options 2 & 3
(Estimated time and Qty completed). After all that is what is used to
arrive at the estimated times you have spoke of. They already calculate
earned hours within the system, if they simply took the total hours worked
and divided by the total earned hours they would arrive at an overall ratio
that could be applied to each jobs earned hours to arrive at the adjusted
(proportionally) labor hours. Would this work for you?
Here's another for instance, What about barrel plating?? Any ideas? We
plate our parts in barrels and our standard rates need to be in LBS. per
hour, but since that is not an option we approximate weight to come up with
a guess on pieces per hour.
The above method is how I currently calc the labor hours manually and it
works good if you have close standard production rates. If they would make
this change and give me the LBS per hour standard plating would be possible
through data collection.
It's too bad someone doesn't come up with an interface for these machines
that would feed the information directly to the Vantage system!!
My (TT5 enhancement - the intelligent DC network) idea, the employee has a
slot they insert their ID badge into to clock in when they start the job and
the controller starts counting and maintains time worked when the card is
removed it sends the record with the empl#, time, piece count. Setup people
would enter the job number and operation as part of their login and the
controller would retain this for the operator. Have one addressable slot
reader attached to each machine. People running multiple machines would, of
course need additional ID badges. ;-)
With your situation that machine has got to have a NC to perform that type
of precision cutting, it would know through programming when it cycles from
one job to the next. It would be easy to add some type of data collection
to the controllers they have on most of the newer machines available today.
Just dreaming..... slap, I woke up!
Back to the original subject, I feel another option does need to be made
available and it sounds as though enough people are dissatisfied with the
option at hand. I would love to tell my boss that we are going back to the
OL' way of doing labor splitting. Especially after talking my @#$# off to
convince them the Vantage way was not all that bad.
Regards
Darren Mann
I see, said the blind man.
> Here's the difference. You're assumption is that the machinesnip...
> is generating
> 2 jobs "Simultaneously". For Laser, Flame Cut, Plasma Cut, etc type
But with that type of machine you should be able to have rock solid
production standards set since your cut rates would be an accurate figure
probably related to what material you are using, correct. How would
splitting by qty complete work for you since a 8 X 8 cutout would take less
time then a 24 x 24 cutout. You would create qty 1 in both cases. Similar
in respect to the feed rate on a screw machine.
My point I was trying to make is that by using the standard production rate
to assign labor time would be a common denominator between options 2 & 3
(Estimated time and Qty completed). After all that is what is used to
arrive at the estimated times you have spoke of. They already calculate
earned hours within the system, if they simply took the total hours worked
and divided by the total earned hours they would arrive at an overall ratio
that could be applied to each jobs earned hours to arrive at the adjusted
(proportionally) labor hours. Would this work for you?
Here's another for instance, What about barrel plating?? Any ideas? We
plate our parts in barrels and our standard rates need to be in LBS. per
hour, but since that is not an option we approximate weight to come up with
a guess on pieces per hour.
The above method is how I currently calc the labor hours manually and it
works good if you have close standard production rates. If they would make
this change and give me the LBS per hour standard plating would be possible
through data collection.
It's too bad someone doesn't come up with an interface for these machines
that would feed the information directly to the Vantage system!!
My (TT5 enhancement - the intelligent DC network) idea, the employee has a
slot they insert their ID badge into to clock in when they start the job and
the controller starts counting and maintains time worked when the card is
removed it sends the record with the empl#, time, piece count. Setup people
would enter the job number and operation as part of their login and the
controller would retain this for the operator. Have one addressable slot
reader attached to each machine. People running multiple machines would, of
course need additional ID badges. ;-)
With your situation that machine has got to have a NC to perform that type
of precision cutting, it would know through programming when it cycles from
one job to the next. It would be easy to add some type of data collection
to the controllers they have on most of the newer machines available today.
Just dreaming..... slap, I woke up!
Back to the original subject, I feel another option does need to be made
available and it sounds as though enough people are dissatisfied with the
option at hand. I would love to tell my boss that we are going back to the
OL' way of doing labor splitting. Especially after talking my @#$# off to
convince them the Vantage way was not all that bad.
Regards
Darren Mann