MES/Intermec Blank Title 61195

Thanks so much for your comments. If I don't talk to you before,
happy holidays.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Hatcher, John" <johnh@...> wrote:
>
> We have configured the handhelds to autologin into windows on a
terminal
> server. The user account is configured to disallow any access to
the
> windows desktop and instead goes directly into the handheld login.
>
>
>
> We're also using Symbol LS2208 scanners for the shop floor
systems. We
> are configuring the user accounts for reporting where ENTER is
treated
> as a TAB and have the scanners configured to append an ENTER to
each bar
> code scanned. Now that tab stops are working in 403C this will
advance
> to the next field after scanning a bar code.
>
>
>
> John A. Hatcher
>
> Manager of IS
>
> Versa Products Co., Inc.
>
> (201) 518-5948
>
> (201) 843-2400 x4148
>
> (201) 843-2931 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Is anyone using 8.03.400 with MES? If so, are you using the Intermec
handheld? We are going live first quarter '08 and are looking for some
direction as far as going live with MES or factoring it in gradually.
It seems that "cold turkey" is the logical way to go. However, we
actually have some reservations about using MES at all--it seems a bit
cumbersome for our requirements and we haven't found the support we'd
hoped for from Epicor so we're at a bit of a crossroads.

Any thoughts/suggestions/comments that anyone cares to share would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
Diane Popovich
Nook Industries
Cleveland, OH
We use MES on .400 but no handheld.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of d.popovich
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MES/Intermec



Is anyone using 8.03.400 with MES? If so, are you using the Intermec
handheld? We are going live first quarter '08 and are looking for some
direction as far as going live with MES or factoring it in gradually.
It seems that "cold turkey" is the logical way to go. However, we
actually have some reservations about using MES at all--it seems a bit
cumbersome for our requirements and we haven't found the support we'd
hoped for from Epicor so we're at a bit of a crossroads.

Any thoughts/suggestions/comments that anyone cares to share would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
Diane Popovich
Nook Industries
Cleveland, OH





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We have not yet gone live but we are using MES and the handhelds.



One surprise for us was that the prerequisite to use handhelds is both
MES and the advanced materials management module. Ask about it !



The interface is much different on the handheld applications and a much
better fit for heads down scanning driven transaction processing.



We are also finding the MES user interface to require more mouse
interaction for the transaction entry screens (ie. Material issue, labor
entry, qty reporting, etc.)



What else do you need to know?



John A. Hatcher

Manager of IS

Versa Products Co., Inc.

(201) 518-5948

(201) 843-2400 x4148

(201) 843-2931 (fax)





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Thanks so much for your response. There have been several surprises
for us as well :-)

Are you using barcoding and wands as well?

If you don't mind, before going to MES, how were you moving
jobs/recording labor?


I was surprised that this system requires both wand and PC and it
seems like a lot of steps to record a transaction that may only take
a few minutes (walking to a PC terminal, logging in,
setup/production, walk back to work station, run a 5-minute job, back
to terminal to end activity, etc...). Not completely sold on it but
it's what we've got so we just need to make the best of it.

Again, appreciate the response and your comments.

cheers,
Diane

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Hatcher, John" <johnh@...> wrote:
>
> We have not yet gone live but we are using MES and the handhelds.
>
>
>
> One surprise for us was that the prerequisite to use handhelds is
both
> MES and the advanced materials management module. Ask about it !
>
>
>
> The interface is much different on the handheld applications and a
much
> better fit for heads down scanning driven transaction processing.
>
>
>
> We are also finding the MES user interface to require more mouse
> interaction for the transaction entry screens (ie. Material issue,
labor
> entry, qty reporting, etc.)
>
>
>
> What else do you need to know?
>
>
>
> John A. Hatcher
>
> Manager of IS
>
> Versa Products Co., Inc.
>
> (201) 518-5948
>
> (201) 843-2400 x4148
>
> (201) 843-2931 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
In my experience...(no Intermec to date)
MES can be great, but at a minimum a good touch screen monitor is required
to make it user friendly. I have seen poor implementations without any
barcode/scanner use and no touch screens, but I have also resurrected an
implementation that was dumped due to user push back. The touch screens
make the biggest difference, but scanable job travelers are also a big help
(especially if you make the barcode read all keys to enter job, asm, op in
one scan).
If your operations only last 5 minutes, that may be an issue, but if you
concentrate on tools to speed up computer interaction it can help.
Best of luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
d.popovich
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MES/Intermec


Is anyone using 8.03.400 with MES? If so, are you using the Intermec
handheld? We are going live first quarter '08 and are looking for some
direction as far as going live with MES or factoring it in gradually.
It seems that "cold turkey" is the logical way to go. However, we
actually have some reservations about using MES at all--it seems a bit
cumbersome for our requirements and we haven't found the support we'd
hoped for from Epicor so we're at a bit of a crossroads.

Any thoughts/suggestions/comments that anyone cares to share would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
Diane Popovich
Nook Industries
Cleveland, OH






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi John,

Quick question: how are you accessing the handheld module? Terminal
services?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Hatcher, John" <johnh@...> wrote:
>
> We have not yet gone live but we are using MES and the handhelds.
>
>
>
> One surprise for us was that the prerequisite to use handhelds is
both
> MES and the advanced materials management module. Ask about it !
>
>
>
> The interface is much different on the handheld applications and a
much
> better fit for heads down scanning driven transaction processing.
>
>
>
> We are also finding the MES user interface to require more mouse
> interaction for the transaction entry screens (ie. Material issue,
labor
> entry, qty reporting, etc.)
>
>
>
> What else do you need to know?
>
>
>
> John A. Hatcher
>
> Manager of IS
>
> Versa Products Co., Inc.
>
> (201) 518-5948
>
> (201) 843-2400 x4148
>
> (201) 843-2931 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
We are using both MES & Handhelds (using Symbol though, not Intermec).
The handhelds access via terminal services.

Both work quite well for us, we've gone through and barcoded everything.
Each job traveler has bar codes as well, everythings scan and save. We
love it.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of d.popovich
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:14 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec



Hi John,

Quick question: how are you accessing the handheld module? Terminal
services?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Hatcher, John" <johnh@...> wrote:
>
> We have not yet gone live but we are using MES and the handhelds.
>
>
>
> One surprise for us was that the prerequisite to use handhelds is
both
> MES and the advanced materials management module. Ask about it !
>
>
>
> The interface is much different on the handheld applications and a
much
> better fit for heads down scanning driven transaction processing.
>
>
>
> We are also finding the MES user interface to require more mouse
> interaction for the transaction entry screens (ie. Material issue,
labor
> entry, qty reporting, etc.)
>
>
>
> What else do you need to know?
>
>
>
> John A. Hatcher
>
> Manager of IS
>
> Versa Products Co., Inc.
>
> (201) 518-5948
>
> (201) 843-2400 x4148
>
> (201) 843-2931 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I was told at Perspectives that AMM is not a pre-requisite. You only need it
if you are going to use those functions on the Handheld that AMM gives you.
For us we are not going to have AMM but will still be able to other
functions such as Transfer Parts from Warehouse to Warehouse or Bin to Bin.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Williams
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec

We are using both MES & Handhelds (using Symbol though, not Intermec).
The handhelds access via terminal services.

Both work quite well for us, we've gone through and barcoded everything.
Each job traveler has bar codes as well, everythings scan and save. We
love it.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of d.popovich
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:14 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec



Hi John,

Quick question: how are you accessing the handheld module? Terminal
services?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Hatcher, John" <johnh@...> wrote:
>
> We have not yet gone live but we are using MES and the handhelds.
>
>
>
> One surprise for us was that the prerequisite to use handhelds is
both
> MES and the advanced materials management module. Ask about it !
>
>
>
> The interface is much different on the handheld applications and a
much
> better fit for heads down scanning driven transaction processing.
>
>
>
> We are also finding the MES user interface to require more mouse
> interaction for the transaction entry screens (ie. Material issue,
labor
> entry, qty reporting, etc.)
>
>
>
> What else do you need to know?
>
>
>
> John A. Hatcher
>
> Manager of IS
>
> Versa Products Co., Inc.
>
> (201) 518-5948
>
> (201) 843-2400 x4148
>
> (201) 843-2931 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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This is true, we do not have AMM.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec



I was told at Perspectives that AMM is not a pre-requisite. You only
need it
if you are going to use those functions on the Handheld that AMM gives
you.
For us we are not going to have AMM but will still be able to other
functions such as Transfer Parts from Warehouse to Warehouse or Bin to
Bin.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Ken Williams
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec

We are using both MES & Handhelds (using Symbol though, not Intermec).
The handhelds access via terminal services.

Both work quite well for us, we've gone through and barcoded everything.
Each job traveler has bar codes as well, everythings scan and save. We
love it.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of d.popovich
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:14 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec

Hi John,

Quick question: how are you accessing the handheld module? Terminal
services?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Hatcher, John" <johnh@...> wrote:
>
> We have not yet gone live but we are using MES and the handhelds.
>
>
>
> One surprise for us was that the prerequisite to use handhelds is
both
> MES and the advanced materials management module. Ask about it !
>
>
>
> The interface is much different on the handheld applications and a
much
> better fit for heads down scanning driven transaction processing.
>
>
>
> We are also finding the MES user interface to require more mouse
> interaction for the transaction entry screens (ie. Material issue,
labor
> entry, qty reporting, etc.)
>
>
>
> What else do you need to know?
>
>
>
> John A. Hatcher
>
> Manager of IS
>
> Versa Products Co., Inc.
>
> (201) 518-5948
>
> (201) 843-2400 x4148
>
> (201) 843-2931 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Yahoo! Groups Links






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thanks so much for your note, Ken. our facility manufactures many
different products, most of which include subassemblies. Is this
similar to your setup? In your opinion, is it prohibitive to have a
lengthy job traveler (up to 30 pgs)? just curious about ease of
transacting each job with subassemblies.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Williams" <ken@...> wrote:
>
> We are using both MES & Handhelds (using Symbol though, not
Intermec).
> The handhelds access via terminal services.
>
> Both work quite well for us, we've gone through and barcoded
everything.
> Each job traveler has bar codes as well, everythings scan and
save. We
> love it.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of d.popovich
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:14 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec
>
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Quick question: how are you accessing the handheld module? Terminal
> services?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Hatcher, John" <johnh@> wrote:
> >
> > We have not yet gone live but we are using MES and the handhelds.
> >
> >
> >
> > One surprise for us was that the prerequisite to use handhelds is
> both
> > MES and the advanced materials management module. Ask about it !
> >
> >
> >
> > The interface is much different on the handheld applications and
a
> much
> > better fit for heads down scanning driven transaction processing.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are also finding the MES user interface to require more mouse
> > interaction for the transaction entry screens (ie. Material
issue,
> labor
> > entry, qty reporting, etc.)
> >
> >
> >
> > What else do you need to know?
> >
> >
> >
> > John A. Hatcher
> >
> > Manager of IS
> >
> > Versa Products Co., Inc.
> >
> > (201) 518-5948
> >
> > (201) 843-2400 x4148
> >
> > (201) 843-2931 (fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Excellent. Thanks, Scott.
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Litzau" <scott.litzau@...>
wrote:
>
> I was told at Perspectives that AMM is not a pre-requisite. You
only need it
> if you are going to use those functions on the Handheld that AMM
gives you.
> For us we are not going to have AMM but will still be able to other
> functions such as Transfer Parts from Warehouse to Warehouse or Bin
to Bin.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Ken Williams
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec
>
> We are using both MES & Handhelds (using Symbol though, not
Intermec).
> The handhelds access via terminal services.
>
> Both work quite well for us, we've gone through and barcoded
everything.
> Each job traveler has bar codes as well, everythings scan and
save. We
> love it.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of d.popovich
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:14 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec
>
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Quick question: how are you accessing the handheld module? Terminal
> services?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Hatcher, John" <johnh@> wrote:
> >
> > We have not yet gone live but we are using MES and the handhelds.
> >
> >
> >
> > One surprise for us was that the prerequisite to use handhelds is
> both
> > MES and the advanced materials management module. Ask about it !
> >
> >
> >
> > The interface is much different on the handheld applications and
a
> much
> > better fit for heads down scanning driven transaction processing.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are also finding the MES user interface to require more mouse
> > interaction for the transaction entry screens (ie. Material
issue,
> labor
> > entry, qty reporting, etc.)
> >
> >
> >
> > What else do you need to know?
> >
> >
> >
> > John A. Hatcher
> >
> > Manager of IS
> >
> > Versa Products Co., Inc.
> >
> > (201) 518-5948
> >
> > (201) 843-2400 x4148
> >
> > (201) 843-2931 (fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
We currently aren't doing much with subassemblies, but it's not unusual
for us to have job traveler's that are 15-20 pages long. It hasn't been
an issue for us. That being said, here's where we use the handhelds:

1. Shipping/Receiving
a. PO comes in with purchase direct items, they're issued
immediately
b. Stock items are issued via handheld, job number scanned from list
of job numbers, parts scanned as their picked
2. Time/MES
a. Job list that they can scan in from
b. Scan in from job traveler

There are a dozen or two other things that the handheld can do that
we're not currently using it for. Our job traveler's are more as notes
then used with the handhelds aside from jobbing in.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of d.popovich
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec



thanks so much for your note, Ken. our facility manufactures many
different products, most of which include subassemblies. Is this
similar to your setup? In your opinion, is it prohibitive to have a
lengthy job traveler (up to 30 pgs)? just curious about ease of
transacting each job with subassemblies.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Ken
Williams" <ken@...> wrote:
>
> We are using both MES & Handhelds (using Symbol though, not
Intermec).
> The handhelds access via terminal services.
>
> Both work quite well for us, we've gone through and barcoded
everything.
> Each job traveler has bar codes as well, everythings scan and
save. We
> love it.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of d.popovich
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:14 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES/Intermec
>
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Quick question: how are you accessing the handheld module? Terminal
> services?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Hatcher, John" <johnh@> wrote:
> >
> > We have not yet gone live but we are using MES and the handhelds.
> >
> >
> >
> > One surprise for us was that the prerequisite to use handhelds is
> both
> > MES and the advanced materials management module. Ask about it !
> >
> >
> >
> > The interface is much different on the handheld applications and
a
> much
> > better fit for heads down scanning driven transaction processing.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are also finding the MES user interface to require more mouse
> > interaction for the transaction entry screens (ie. Material
issue,
> labor
> > entry, qty reporting, etc.)
> >
> >
> >
> > What else do you need to know?
> >
> >
> >
> > John A. Hatcher
> >
> > Manager of IS
> >
> > Versa Products Co., Inc.
> >
> > (201) 518-5948
> >
> > (201) 843-2400 x4148
> >
> > (201) 843-2931 (fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
We have configured the handhelds to autologin into windows on a terminal
server. The user account is configured to disallow any access to the
windows desktop and instead goes directly into the handheld login.



We're also using Symbol LS2208 scanners for the shop floor systems. We
are configuring the user accounts for reporting where ENTER is treated
as a TAB and have the scanners configured to append an ENTER to each bar
code scanned. Now that tab stops are working in 403C this will advance
to the next field after scanning a bar code.



John A. Hatcher

Manager of IS

Versa Products Co., Inc.

(201) 518-5948

(201) 843-2400 x4148

(201) 843-2931 (fax)





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