MES, T&A, and Lunch

You can have employees clock in to an "other" shift and still have grace periods if they manually select the appropriate shift. If this doesn't work for you, it's a version dependent bug and maybe a known issue according to what Vic said. When the employee clocks in and the current time does not correspond to the default shift start time window, the system prompts the employee to select a shift and will apply grace periods to that shift's time windows according to the Company setup. It's not automatic but would work if the employees could select the appropriate "other" shift. Also, you may be able to work with a BPM or other customization to create shift pairs and make the second half shift selection automatically. But honestly, I think the harder part, at least at first, will be to get the employees to actually clock out instead of just log out.

But you obviously can't make the grace periods very long or you end up with effectively the same situation as the standard system lunch. I would be curious what your lawyers think is acceptable grace period? Is your lunch 30 mins or an hour?

On the reporting, I already aggregate the headers on my daily labor report because under certain circumstances it occasionally happens an employee has multiple headers per day. My structure is as below:

By PayrollDate & Supervisor
---By EmpID
------Labor Headers (All)
------Sum of PayHours
---------(Subreport match on PayrollDate & EmpID)
---------Labor Details(All)
---------Sum of LaborHrs

Supervisors know they need to have the PayHours match the LaborHrs. I would share the report but it's based on a custom MS Access program I did leftover from Ver 6.1 that we have continued using with Ver 8. HTH

Regards,
Chris Clunn




--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian W. Spolarich" <bspolarich@...> wrote:
>
> We allow a grace period at the beginning and end of shift. But how
> does this apply to lunch when we're not using the automatic lunch
> feature? Basically the employee is clocking out and back in at the
> middle of the shift.
>
> I can't create two shifts (first half, second half), since an employee
> only belongs to one shift, and then we wouldn't get grace period for the
> "other" shift.
>
> -bws
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of aimee.grebe
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:13 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch
>
> Do you allow the same grace period for clocking in/out for the day? If
> so, you could set up the Clock In /Clock Out Allowance Time under the
> Company Master File (Modules/Production/Data Collection)
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian W. Spolarich" <bspolarich@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
> > really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
> > makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two
> LaborHed
> > records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.
> >
> >
> >
> > So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
> > definition.
> >
> >
> >
> > But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace
> period
> > for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
> > they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.
> >
> >
> >
> > I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
> > to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
> > day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
> > there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
> > to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
> > will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
> > variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.
> >
> >
> >
> > I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect
> there's
> > a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.
> >
> >
> >
> > What to do?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix
> /
> > Picometrix
> >
> > bspolarich@
> > <mailto:bspolarich@> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> > www.advancedphotonix.com <http://www.advancedphotonix.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two LaborHed
records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.



So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
definition.



But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace period
for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.



I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.



I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect there's
a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.



What to do?



--

Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix

bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich@...> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotonix.com <http://www.advancedphotonix.com>





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Do you allow the same grace period for clocking in/out for the day? If so, you could set up the Clock In /Clock Out Allowance Time under the Company Master File (Modules/Production/Data Collection)


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian W. Spolarich" <bspolarich@...> wrote:
>
> Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
> really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
> makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two LaborHed
> records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.
>
>
>
> So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
> definition.
>
>
>
> But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace period
> for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
> they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.
>
>
>
> I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
> to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
> day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
> there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
> to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
> will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
> variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.
>
>
>
> I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect there's
> a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.
>
>
>
> What to do?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
> Picometrix
>
> bspolarich@...
> <mailto:bspolarich@...> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> www.advancedphotonix.com <http://www.advancedphotonix.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
We allow a grace period at the beginning and end of shift. But how
does this apply to lunch when we're not using the automatic lunch
feature? Basically the employee is clocking out and back in at the
middle of the shift.

I can't create two shifts (first half, second half), since an employee
only belongs to one shift, and then we wouldn't get grace period for the
"other" shift.

-bws

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of aimee.grebe
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch

Do you allow the same grace period for clocking in/out for the day? If
so, you could set up the Clock In /Clock Out Allowance Time under the
Company Master File (Modules/Production/Data Collection)


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian W. Spolarich" <bspolarich@...>
wrote:
>
> Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
> really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
> makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two
LaborHed
> records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.
>
>
>
> So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
> definition.
>
>
>
> But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace
period
> for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
> they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.
>
>
>
> I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
> to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
> day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
> there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
> to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
> will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
> variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.
>
>
>
> I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect
there's
> a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.
>
>
>
> What to do?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix
/
> Picometrix
>
> bspolarich@...
> <mailto:bspolarich@...> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> www.advancedphotonix.com <http://www.advancedphotonix.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Just a thought (we dont use Epicor for T&A) ...

Can you not set up an indirect activity or something which they zap on to for
lunch? Then that can be pulled out of the report?

Alternatively, what was the issue which having them just clock out at lunch then
back on?




________________________________
From: Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 10 December, 2010 13:00:23
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch

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We allow a grace period at the beginning and end of shift. But how
does this apply to lunch when we're not using the automatic lunch
feature? Basically the employee is clocking out and back in at the
middle of the shift.

I can't create two shifts (first half, second half), since an employee
only belongs to one shift, and then we wouldn't get grace period for the
"other" shift.

-bws

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of aimee.grebe
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch

Do you allow the same grace period for clocking in/out for the day? If
so, you could set up the Clock In /Clock Out Allowance Time under the
Company Master File (Modules/Production/Data Collection)

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian W. Spolarich" <bspolarich@...>
wrote:
>
> Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
> really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
> makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two
LaborHed
> records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.
>
>
>
> So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
> definition.
>
>
>
> But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace
period
> for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
> they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.
>
>
>
> I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
> to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
> day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
> there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
> to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
> will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
> variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.
>
>
>
> I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect
there's
> a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.
>
>
>
> What to do?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix
/
> Picometrix
>
> bspolarich@...
> <mailto:bspolarich@...> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> www.advancedphotonix.com <http://www.advancedphotonix.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Brian,



I have something similar set up; and to perform what we need I use a SQL
trigger to perform rounding of labor. Similarly, when not choosing an
employee's default shift (maybe a bug), the grace period and system
rounding wasn't working for us in .408B.



I'd be happy to share the code with you. It's pretty straight forward.



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch





We allow a grace period at the beginning and end of shift. But how
does this apply to lunch when we're not using the automatic lunch
feature? Basically the employee is clocking out and back in at the
middle of the shift.

I can't create two shifts (first half, second half), since an employee
only belongs to one shift, and then we wouldn't get grace period for the
"other" shift.

-bws

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of aimee.grebe
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch

Do you allow the same grace period for clocking in/out for the day? If
so, you could set up the Clock In /Clock Out Allowance Time under the
Company Master File (Modules/Production/Data Collection)

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Brian W. Spolarich" <bspolarich@...>
wrote:
>
> Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
> really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
> makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two
LaborHed
> records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.
>
>
>
> So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
> definition.
>
>
>
> But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace
period
> for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
> they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.
>
>
>
> I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
> to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
> day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
> there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
> to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
> will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
> variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.
>
>
>
> I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect
there's
> a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.
>
>
>
> What to do?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix
/
> Picometrix
>
> bspolarich@...
> <mailto:bspolarich@...> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> www.advancedphotonix.com <http://www.advancedphotonix.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Hi!

Can you please share your code with me? We are having the same difficulty with rounding hours and have been playing with grace periods, etc.

My email address is: jtriftsh@....

Thank you in advance.

Jennifer

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Vic Drecchio" <vic.drecchio@...> wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
>
>
> I have something similar set up; and to perform what we need I use a SQL
> trigger to perform rounding of labor. Similarly, when not choosing an
> employee's default shift (maybe a bug), the grace period and system
> rounding wasn't working for us in .408B.
>
>
>
> I'd be happy to share the code with you. It's pretty straight forward.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Brian W. Spolarich
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:00 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch
>
>
>
>
>
> We allow a grace period at the beginning and end of shift. But how
> does this apply to lunch when we're not using the automatic lunch
> feature? Basically the employee is clocking out and back in at the
> middle of the shift.
>
> I can't create two shifts (first half, second half), since an employee
> only belongs to one shift, and then we wouldn't get grace period for the
> "other" shift.
>
> -bws
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> Of aimee.grebe
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:13 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch
>
> Do you allow the same grace period for clocking in/out for the day? If
> so, you could set up the Clock In /Clock Out Allowance Time under the
> Company Master File (Modules/Production/Data Collection)
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Brian W. Spolarich" <bspolarich@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
> > really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
> > makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two
> LaborHed
> > records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.
> >
> >
> >
> > So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
> > definition.
> >
> >
> >
> > But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace
> period
> > for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
> > they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.
> >
> >
> >
> > I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
> > to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
> > day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
> > there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
> > to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
> > will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
> > variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.
> >
> >
> >
> > I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect
> there's
> > a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.
> >
> >
> >
> > What to do?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix
> /
> > Picometrix
> >
> > bspolarich@
> > <mailto:bspolarich@> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> > www.advancedphotonix.com <http://www.advancedphotonix.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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We don't clock in/out for lunch, but we do expect supervisors to fix
other clock in/out issues, both for the day and on jobs (and talk with
the employee, so the problem doesn't keep reoccurring). We also have a
final check & correction if needed by payroll before the data is
exported to our payroll system. (time is in Vantage, payroll is not).
If you haven't seen it already, the LaborHed table has columns for both
the actual and modified times, eg ActLunchInTime and LunchInTime - they
are stored as decimal hours not minutes so it's easy to do math with
them.



But labour times and reporting are always a headache, because of the...
well, the people :-) My personal opinion is that a labour report should
not hide too much detail, because of the possibility of confusion or
disputes.



Brian.



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MES, T&A, and Lunch





Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two LaborHed
records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.

So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
definition.

But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace period
for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.

I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.

I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect there's
a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.

What to do?

--

Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix

bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
<mailto:bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> > ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotonix.com <http://www.advancedphotonix.com>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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How do companies using Vantage payroll get around this? (Is the solution somehow only available as part of the payroll module's BO code?)

Just curious.

Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Vic Drecchio" <vic.drecchio@...>
Sent:Fri 12/10/10 10:35 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch

Brian,



I have something similar set up; and to perform what we need I use a SQL
trigger to perform rounding of labor. Similarly, when not choosing an
employee's default shift (maybe a bug), the grace period and system
rounding wasn't working for us in .408B.



I'd be happy to share the code with you. It's pretty straight forward.



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch





We allow a grace period at the beginning and end of shift. But how
does this apply to lunch when we're not using the automatic lunch
feature? Basically the employee is clocking out and back in at the
middle of the shift.

I can't create two shifts (first half, second half), since an employee
only belongs to one shift, and then we wouldn't get grace period for the
"other" shift.

-bws

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of aimee.grebe
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch

Do you allow the same grace period for clocking in/out for the day? If
so, you could set up the Clock In /Clock Out Allowance Time under the
Company Master File (Modules/Production/Data Collection)

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Brian W. Spolarich" <bspolarich@...>
wrote:
>
> Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
> really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
> makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two
LaborHed
> records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.
>
>
>
> So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
> definition.
>
>
>
> But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace
period
> for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
> they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.
>
>
>
> I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
> to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
> day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
> there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
> to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
> will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
> variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.
>
>
>
> I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect
there's
> a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.
>
>
>
> What to do?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix
/
> Picometrix
>
> bspo
I'd like to see the code, even though I'm hoping to do this part in
Vantage BPM. I think my labor reporting it going to require direct
MSSQL work though, as I can't make it work in Crystal.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Vic Drecchio
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch

Brian,



I have something similar set up; and to perform what we need I use a SQL
trigger to perform rounding of labor. Similarly, when not choosing an
employee's default shift (maybe a bug), the grace period and system
rounding wasn't working for us in .408B.



I'd be happy to share the code with you. It's pretty straight forward.



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch





We allow a grace period at the beginning and end of shift. But how
does this apply to lunch when we're not using the automatic lunch
feature? Basically the employee is clocking out and back in at the
middle of the shift.

I can't create two shifts (first half, second half), since an employee
only belongs to one shift, and then we wouldn't get grace period for the
"other" shift.

-bws

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of aimee.grebe
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MES, T&A, and Lunch

Do you allow the same grace period for clocking in/out for the day? If
so, you could set up the Clock In /Clock Out Allowance Time under the
Company Master File (Modules/Production/Data Collection)

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Brian W. Spolarich" <bspolarich@...>
wrote:
>
> Another T&A question - our labor attorney has advised us that we
> really need to have employees clock out and back in for lunch. This
> makes my reporting job a lot harder obviously as there are two
LaborHed
> records to deal with, which requires grouping, etc. to re-normalize.
>
>
>
> So we can't use the automatic lunch feature of Vantage's shift
> definition.
>
>
>
> But we also need to give the employees up to five minutes grace
period
> for late lunch punchin. So if the lunch period is from 12 to 12:30,
> they can clock in up to 12:35 and be considered clocked in at 12:30.
>
>
>
> I can handle this in my report using the Crystal Previous() function
> to do comparisons, etc. But it does mean that I have to adjust the
> day's total hours worked based on that lunch adjustment factor. So
> there is a mismatch between LaborHed.PayHours and what my reports have
> to produce, and what will need to go to our payroll company, and what
> will need to go into the G/L entries for payroll. That will create
> variances I suspect, or headaches for accounting.
>
>
>
> I could insist that supervisors clean these up, but I suspect
there's
> a lot of noise in the lunch punchins.
>
>
>
> What to do?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix
/
> Picometrix
>
> bspolarich@...
> <mailto:bspolarich@...> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> www.advancedphotonix.com <http://www.advancedphotonix.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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