New User -- Vantage 8.03 on Linux

> I was doing a little reading on an app called Grasshopper
> http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=34139
> <http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=34139> ) this
> would allow Linux users to deploy .Net applications! What do you
> think? A goal would be that we could have all required apps to be
> running on a sole Linux Server (without virtual O/S) !!! Sound
> reasonable ??

I had never heard of Grasshopper before, thanks. I have heard of Novell's
Project Mono which allows one to do the same thing. In fact, you might be able
to run the .Net Client on a Linux workstation with it.

http://www.mono-project.com

Mark W.
While we are waiting for our new hardware, the Epicor installation team
installed Vantage 8.03 on a temporary server we set up with Linux. Too
my surprise, Progress (running on Linux) is being controlled by a
Windows box. Apparently, we are expected to do much of our Progress DB
administration, starting and stopping the DBs for example, using the
Windows box.

To me, this seems less than ideal. The Windows server is now a second
point of failure, and the connection between the boxes seems to add
additional complexity. I guess I'm "old school" -- I wanted all
control to be on the Linux box.

Is this the way Epicor installs all Progress installations on Linux and
UNIX? Do most of you think this is a good thing? Is there a way
around this?

I appreciate your input.

John
John,

We'll hello there fellow Linux user! We have a Linux server as well and
have gone thru the same frustration as yourself, and still are! We did
a clean implementation of v8.03 and went live as of Jan 2007. I agree
firmly that all administrative process should reside on the Linux
server as well as any 3rd party applications. If you would like to
contact me directly please do so, send me an email with your contact
information and will be glad to discuss our experiences with you! This
offer is open to all others as well!

Regards

-Joe
The reason for the Windows box is to give you a GUI to the Linux
install. There is no GUI to run Progress from the Linux install. If
you know the Progress command line syntax you can do it all from the
Linux box.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jwarshawer" <john@...> wrote:
>
> While we are waiting for our new hardware, the Epicor installation
team
> installed Vantage 8.03 on a temporary server we set up with Linux. Too
> my surprise, Progress (running on Linux) is being controlled by a
> Windows box. Apparently, we are expected to do much of our Progress DB
> administration, starting and stopping the DBs for example, using the
> Windows box.
>
> To me, this seems less than ideal. The Windows server is now a second
> point of failure, and the connection between the boxes seems to add
> additional complexity. I guess I'm "old school" -- I wanted all
> control to be on the Linux box.
>
> Is this the way Epicor installs all Progress installations on Linux
and
> UNIX? Do most of you think this is a good thing? Is there a way
> around this?
>
> I appreciate your input.
>
> John
>
Everything can be controlled from the Linux server - no GUI, though.
These aren't Epicor problems - they are Progress problems. The fact
that Progress supports Linux at all is great, but there are a few extra
steps to make the environment really comfortable (we're on Progress
9.1D, Vantage 6.1).

I've written a few scripts to simplify things. I wrote a script for
promon that automatically connects to the Vantage database. I created a
script for the online backup (really converted their sample to bash).
In addition, I created an init script for starting and stopping the
admin service. The admin service takes care of starting and stopping
the databases.

The only thing that would "require" an additional Windows server is if
you plan to use Global Alerts. The utility Epicor wrote for that only
runs on Windows - that is an Epicor problem. However, the functionality
of that tool is extremely easy to duplicate in Linux - I have
successfully tested a solution - not complete, but it is easy to do.


Chris Gitzlaff
Major Industries


-----Original Message-----
From: jwarshawer [mailto:john@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] New User -- Vantage 8.03 on Linux



While we are waiting for our new hardware, the Epicor installation team
installed Vantage 8.03 on a temporary server we set up with Linux. Too
my surprise, Progress (running on Linux) is being controlled by a
Windows box. Apparently, we are expected to do much of our Progress DB
administration, starting and stopping the DBs for example, using the
Windows box.

To me, this seems less than ideal. The Windows server is now a second
point of failure, and the connection between the boxes seems to add
additional complexity. I guess I'm "old school" -- I wanted all
control to be on the Linux box.

Is this the way Epicor installs all Progress installations on Linux and
UNIX? Do most of you think this is a good thing? Is there a way
around this?

I appreciate your input.

John








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In Vantage 8.03 there are several hidden add-ons which are .net based.
I am not sure I would use Linux at this time, if your going to 8.03.
ServiceConnect Runtime is included in 8.03, it need numerous Windows
and .net tools. Also BPM,which a new process\customization needs to
reside on a windows server.




--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Gitzlaff, Christopher"
<cgitzlaff@...> wrote:
>
> Everything can be controlled from the Linux server - no GUI, though.
> These aren't Epicor problems - they are Progress problems. The fact
> that Progress supports Linux at all is great, but there are a few extra
> steps to make the environment really comfortable (we're on Progress
> 9.1D, Vantage 6.1).
>
> I've written a few scripts to simplify things. I wrote a script for
> promon that automatically connects to the Vantage database. I created a
> script for the online backup (really converted their sample to bash).
> In addition, I created an init script for starting and stopping the
> admin service. The admin service takes care of starting and stopping
> the databases.
>
> The only thing that would "require" an additional Windows server is if
> you plan to use Global Alerts. The utility Epicor wrote for that only
> runs on Windows - that is an Epicor problem. However, the functionality
> of that tool is extremely easy to duplicate in Linux - I have
> successfully tested a solution - not complete, but it is easy to do.
>
>
> Chris Gitzlaff
> Major Industries
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jwarshawer [mailto:john@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:38 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] New User -- Vantage 8.03 on Linux
>
>
>
> While we are waiting for our new hardware, the Epicor installation team
> installed Vantage 8.03 on a temporary server we set up with Linux. Too
> my surprise, Progress (running on Linux) is being controlled by a
> Windows box. Apparently, we are expected to do much of our Progress DB
> administration, starting and stopping the DBs for example, using the
> Windows box.
>
> To me, this seems less than ideal. The Windows server is now a second
> point of failure, and the connection between the boxes seems to add
> additional complexity. I guess I'm "old school" -- I wanted all
> control to be on the Linux box.
>
> Is this the way Epicor installs all Progress installations on Linux and
> UNIX? Do most of you think this is a good thing? Is there a way
> around this?
>
> I appreciate your input.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I have a tech call into regarding BPM, I was told that the BPM Server
is only required for higher level functions. Which I confirmed on a
Win32 test environment I setup. The problem now is that when I try to
save a method directive I get an error out of the system. Epicor has
confirmed this error, it does exist only on a Linux/Unix platform,
and this is in development now as we speak.

As far as Global Alerts, I have them setup and running entirely on
the Linux Server. The only thing I needed to do was to attach the
Global Alert Process to my Startup Task via the System Agent and
everything worked fine. I am only running a Linux Server but I do
have a Admin Win64 Box just to start/stop and monitor the
appservers. I have as well created an init script to backup the db
and gkzip them every evening at midnight.

I was doing a little reading on an app called Grasshopper
http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=34139) this
would allow Linux users to deploy .Net applications! What do you
think? A goal would be that we could have all required apps to be
running on a sole Linux Server (without virtual O/S) !!! Sound
reasonable ??

Just throwing things out there for discussion

-Joe


I have a tech call into regarding BPM, I was told that the BPM Server
is only required for higher level functions. Which I confirmed on a
Win32 test enviroment I setup. The problem now is that wehn I try to
save a directive I get an error out of the system. Epicor has
confirmed this to exsist only on a Linux/Unix platform, and this is
in development now as we speak.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "peterlv2002" <peterlv2002@...> wrote:
>
> In Vantage 8.03 there are several hidden add-ons which are .net
based.
> I am not sure I would use Linux at this time, if your going to
8.03.
> ServiceConnect Runtime is included in 8.03, it need numerous
Windows
> and .net tools. Also BPM,which a new process\customization needs to
> reside on a windows server.
>
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Gitzlaff, Christopher"
> <cgitzlaff@> wrote:
> >
> > Everything can be controlled from the Linux server - no GUI,
though.
> > These aren't Epicor problems - they are Progress problems. The
fact
> > that Progress supports Linux at all is great, but there are a few
extra
> > steps to make the environment really comfortable (we're on
Progress
> > 9.1D, Vantage 6.1).
> >
> > I've written a few scripts to simplify things. I wrote a script
for
> > promon that automatically connects to the Vantage database. I
created a
> > script for the online backup (really converted their sample to
bash).
> > In addition, I created an init script for starting and stopping
the
> > admin service. The admin service takes care of starting and
stopping
> > the databases.
> >
> > The only thing that would "require" an additional Windows server
is if
> > you plan to use Global Alerts. The utility Epicor wrote for that
only
> > runs on Windows - that is an Epicor problem. However, the
functionality
> > of that tool is extremely easy to duplicate in Linux - I have
> > successfully tested a solution - not complete, but it is easy to
do.
> >
> >
> > Chris Gitzlaff
> > Major Industries
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jwarshawer [mailto:john@]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:38 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] New User -- Vantage 8.03 on Linux
> >
> >
> >
> > While we are waiting for our new hardware, the Epicor
installation team
> > installed Vantage 8.03 on a temporary server we set up with
Linux. Too
> > my surprise, Progress (running on Linux) is being controlled by a
> > Windows box. Apparently, we are expected to do much of our
Progress DB
> > administration, starting and stopping the DBs for example, using
the
> > Windows box.
> >
> > To me, this seems less than ideal. The Windows server is now a
second
> > point of failure, and the connection between the boxes seems to
add
> > additional complexity. I guess I'm "old school" -- I wanted all
> > control to be on the Linux box.
> >
> > Is this the way Epicor installs all Progress installations on
Linux and
> > UNIX? Do most of you think this is a good thing? Is there a way
> > around this?
> >
> > I appreciate your input.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>