NT4.0 Server to W2K

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If you rename the new server with the old server's name, you can
avoid reintalling all your clients.

--- In vantage@y..., "Moore, Jim (Anniston)" <jmoore@d...> wrote:
> Terry,
> Thanks for the valuable information. I may take you up on the
phone call.
> My main concern now is not messing up the live database on the NT4
box while
> trying to get the W2K server going.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry Williams [mailto:tlw@m...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:38 PM
> To: vantage@y...
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] NT4.0 Server to W2K
>
>
> Jim:
>
> Amazing one can proofread and still not catch something. As I
read this
> after the posting, I realized by doing steps 10 and 11 (repeating
the
> probackup and prorestore and then starting the database) you're
gonna have
> an older database with newer patches. It won't work. Don't apply
the
> latest patches to W2K until you're satisfied the install is ok and
you're
> ready to shut off the NT4 machine. Then you'll want the most
current
> database on W2K and that's from where you'll start. So, ignore
the previous
> list of steps and see below as I've redone the order.
>
> Now's the perfect time to gain some valuable experience.
>
> 1. Install the W2K server as a member server
> 2. Using the original Progress/Vantage cd, go
through the
> install in W2K.
> 3. Apply the patches to get you current to where
you are
> now on NT4.
> 4. Do an online probackup of the database from
the NT4
> machine
> 5. Do a prorestore to the W2K machine
> 6. At this point, you should have a duplicate of
NT4 on
> the W2K machine
> 7. Start/stop/start the database, connect a
client or two
> or three
> 8. Once you've satisfied yourself all is ok,
repeat steps
> 4 and 5 (since a day or two will probably have passed by now)
> 9. Repeat step 7
> 10. Apply the latest and
greatest patches
> to both Progress and Vantage
> 11. Repeat step 7
> 12. Uninstall Progress on the
clients
> 13. Disconnect the clients from the
NT4 server
> 14. Connect the clients to the W2K
server
> 15. Install Progress/Vantage on the
clients
>
> After all this and you still are confused - easily done - call.
>
> Terry L. Williams 176 Shadywood Circle Cranberry,
PA 16319
> ph/fax: 814-676-8650 tlw@m... <mailto:tlw@m...>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Moore, Jim (Anniston) [mailto:jmoore@d...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:23 AM
> To: 'vantage@y...'
> Subject: [Vantage] NT4.0 Server to W2K
>
> I am replacing our Vantage NT4.0 server with a W2K server.
> Can someone please provide me with a "checklist", detailed
instructions are
> even better, of items to do.
> We are on 4.00811 and 9.0B29.
> We do NOT plan on upgrading to 5.x because of corporate mandates.
(We will
> use their system in about a year).
> Tech support did recommend upgrading the Progress patch to 9.0B44.
> Can I go from Progress and Vantage right off the CD's to .811 and
9.0B44,
> skipping patches in between?
> Will installing another installation of Vantage on our Lan cause
problems
> with the live version?
>
> Any help and advice is appreciated as I have never attempted this
before.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim Moore
> jmoore@d...
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
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> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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>
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I am replacing our Vantage NT4.0 server with a W2K server.
Can someone please provide me with a "checklist", detailed instructions are
even better, of items to do.
We are on 4.00811 and 9.0B29.
We do NOT plan on upgrading to 5.x because of corporate mandates. (We will
use their system in about a year).
Tech support did recommend upgrading the Progress patch to 9.0B44.
Can I go from Progress and Vantage right off the CD's to .811 and 9.0B44,
skipping patches in between?
Will installing another installation of Vantage on our Lan cause problems
with the live version?

Any help and advice is appreciated as I have never attempted this before.

Thanks.

Jim Moore
jmoore@...-ots.com
3
Jim,

I upgraded our Vantage server from NT4 to W2K recently. Didn't upgrade
Vantage version. I don't think this qualifies for what you're doing, but if
I can be of any help at all email me.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Moore, Jim (Anniston) [mailto:jmoore@...-ots.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:23 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] NT4.0 Server to W2K


I am replacing our Vantage NT4.0 server with a W2K server.
Can someone please provide me with a "checklist", detailed instructions are
even better, of items to do.
We are on 4.00811 and 9.0B29.
We do NOT plan on upgrading to 5.x because of corporate mandates. (We will
use their system in about a year).
Tech support did recommend upgrading the Progress patch to 9.0B44.
Can I go from Progress and Vantage right off the CD's to .811 and 9.0B44,
skipping patches in between?
Will installing another installation of Vantage on our Lan cause problems
with the live version?

Any help and advice is appreciated as I have never attempted this before.

Thanks.

Jim Moore
jmoore@...-ots.com



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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4
Read message number 20283 for a couple pointers. I installed a new
server from NT 4 to NT 4 but I think the same rules will apply.

You can have multiple servers running Vantage on the same network
without one interfering with another. Your clients go by the name
of the server. Is your current Vantage server a primary domain
controller, backup domain controller or member server? This will
make a difference as to how you'll add the new one. If it is any
type of a domain controller, install it as a backup domain
controller with a bogus name like NEWSERVER or something. Install a
fresh installation of Progress and Vantage. If it were me, I'd
install Progress and Vantage to the exact same versions as you're
using right now, that way, you won't run into any conversion issues
when you copy the database over. After your server is up and
running and Vantage is freshly installed, do an online backup of
your current database and copy that backup file to the new server
and then restore it to the new server. This will update Vantage to
your current database. If you want to install a new Progress or
Vantage patch, this would be the time to do it. Once your new
Vantage server is running smoothly, pull the old one offline and
rename the new one to the old one's name but don't forget to delete
and then recreate the old server's name in Server Manager (assuming
you're in a domain). Once you reboot, the clients will attempt the
new server's database.

*Note: If it is a Primary Domain Controller, once you're ready to
go live with the database, you'll have to drop the demote the
Primary Domain Controller and Promote this new one. I guess you can
still change the name of the server as I did on mine but it was a
Backup Domain Controller.

A couple other notes, you'll need to copy over any custom Crystal
Reports, Report Builder Reports and VB forms. I also had several
different .VTG files for data collection and misc. logins that I
needed to copy.

When I tried to login with my first client, it gave an error, can't
recall the exact error but it was the Vantage.ini file in the
Vantage directory that needed to be copied from the old server.
Eranet's knowledgebase showed this file to be in the Progress
directory but even though I changed it there, I found and had to
change the copy in the Vantage directory. Not sure if it's supposed
to be there or not but the database is running fine now.

I hope this helps. There might be more involved in mixing Win2k and
NT servers in a domain but I haven't gotten any Win2k servers yet.
If you need more help, I created a checklist for my conversion, I
could email it to you.

Bruce Brannan
Westinghouse EPD
brannab@...

--- In vantage@y..., "Moore, Jim (Anniston)" <jmoore@d...> wrote:
> I am replacing our Vantage NT4.0 server with a W2K server.
> Can someone please provide me with a "checklist", detailed
instructions are
> even better, of items to do.
> We are on 4.00811 and 9.0B29.
> We do NOT plan on upgrading to 5.x because of corporate mandates.
(We will
> use their system in about a year).
> Tech support did recommend upgrading the Progress patch to 9.0B44.
> Can I go from Progress and Vantage right off the CD's to .811 and
9.0B44,
> skipping patches in between?
> Will installing another installation of Vantage on our Lan cause
problems
> with the live version?
>
> Any help and advice is appreciated as I have never attempted this
before.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim Moore
> jmoore@d...
5
Jim:

NowÂ’s the perfect time to gain some valuable experience.

1. Install the W2K server as a member server
2. Using the original Progress/Vantage cd, go through the
install in W2K.
3. Apply the patches to get you current to where you are
now on NT4.
4. Do an online probackup of the database from the NT4
machine
5. Do a prorestore to the W2K machine
6. At this point, you should have a duplicate of NT4 on
the W2K machine
7. Start/stop the database, connect a client or two or
three
8. Apply the latest and greatest patches to 4.0 / 9.0 on
W2K
9. Repeat step 7
10. Once youÂ’ve satisfied yourself all is ok, repeat steps 4
and 5
11. Repeat step 7
12. Uninstall Progress on the clients
13. Disconnect the clients from the NT4 server
14. Connect the clients to the W2K server
15. Install Progress/Vantage on the clients

Terry L. Williams 176 Shadywood Circle Cranberry, PA 16319
ph/fax: 814-676-8650 tlw@... <mailto:tlw@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: Moore, Jim (Anniston) [mailto:jmoore@...-ots.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:23 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] NT4.0 Server to W2K

I am replacing our Vantage NT4.0 server with a W2K server.
Can someone please provide me with a "checklist", detailed instructions are
even better, of items to do.
We are on 4.00811 and 9.0B29.
We do NOT plan on upgrading to 5.x because of corporate mandates. (We will
use their system in about a year).
Tech support did recommend upgrading the Progress patch to 9.0B44.
Can I go from Progress and Vantage right off the CD's to .811 and 9.0B44,
skipping patches in between?
Will installing another installation of Vantage on our Lan cause problems
with the live version?

Any help and advice is appreciated as I have never attempted this before.

Thanks.

Jim Moore
jmoore@...-ots.com


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
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Jim:

Amazing one can proofread and still not catch something. As I read this
after the posting, I realized by doing steps 10 and 11 (repeating the
probackup and prorestore and then starting the database) youÂ’re gonna have
an older database with newer patches. It wonÂ’t work. DonÂ’t apply the
latest patches to W2K until youÂ’re satisfied the install is ok and youÂ’re
ready to shut off the NT4 machine. Then youÂ’ll want the most current
database on W2K and thatÂ’s from where youÂ’ll start. So, ignore the previous
list of steps and see below as IÂ’ve redone the order.

NowÂ’s the perfect time to gain some valuable experience.

1. Install the W2K server as a member server
2. Using the original Progress/Vantage cd, go through the
install in W2K.
3. Apply the patches to get you current to where you are
now on NT4.
4. Do an online probackup of the database from the NT4
machine
5. Do a prorestore to the W2K machine
6. At this point, you should have a duplicate of NT4 on
the W2K machine
7. Start/stop/start the database, connect a client or two
or three
8. Once youÂ’ve satisfied yourself all is ok, repeat steps
4 and 5 (since a day or two will probably have passed by now)
9. Repeat step 7
10. Apply the latest and greatest patches
to both Progress and Vantage
11. Repeat step 7
12. Uninstall Progress on the clients
13. Disconnect the clients from the NT4 server
14. Connect the clients to the W2K server
15. Install Progress/Vantage on the clients

After all this and you still are confused – easily done – call.

Terry L. Williams 176 Shadywood Circle Cranberry, PA 16319
ph/fax: 814-676-8650 tlw@... <mailto:tlw@...>


-----Original Message-----
From: Moore, Jim (Anniston) [mailto:jmoore@...-ots.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:23 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] NT4.0 Server to W2K

I am replacing our Vantage NT4.0 server with a W2K server.
Can someone please provide me with a "checklist", detailed instructions are
even better, of items to do.
We are on 4.00811 and 9.0B29.
We do NOT plan on upgrading to 5.x because of corporate mandates. (We will
use their system in about a year).
Tech support did recommend upgrading the Progress patch to 9.0B44.
Can I go from Progress and Vantage right off the CD's to .811 and 9.0B44,
skipping patches in between?
Will installing another installation of Vantage on our Lan cause problems
with the live version?

Any help and advice is appreciated as I have never attempted this before.

Thanks.

Jim Moore
jmoore@...-ots.com


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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7
Terry,

I don't think it will matter if you restore an older database to an install
with newer patches. It is really no different than installing the patch
itself. All you should have to do is log on as a system manager and run any
necessary data conversions to bring the database up to the patch level of
the new install. I've done this many .... well, at least a couple times on
our test server and I always forget to update the training database after a
new patch too.

Rick



>after the posting, I realized by doing steps 10 and 11 (repeating the
>probackup and prorestore and then starting the database)
>you're gonna have an older database with newer patches. It won't work.
8
Terry,
Thanks for the valuable information. I may take you up on the phone call.
My main concern now is not messing up the live database on the NT4 box while
trying to get the W2K server going.

Thanks.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Williams [mailto:tlw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:38 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] NT4.0 Server to W2K


Jim:

Amazing one can proofread and still not catch something. As I read this
after the posting, I realized by doing steps 10 and 11 (repeating the
probackup and prorestore and then starting the database) you're gonna have
an older database with newer patches. It won't work. Don't apply the
latest patches to W2K until you're satisfied the install is ok and you're
ready to shut off the NT4 machine. Then you'll want the most current
database on W2K and that's from where you'll start. So, ignore the previous
list of steps and see below as I've redone the order.

Now's the perfect time to gain some valuable experience.

1. Install the W2K server as a member server
2. Using the original Progress/Vantage cd, go through the
install in W2K.
3. Apply the patches to get you current to where you are
now on NT4.
4. Do an online probackup of the database from the NT4
machine
5. Do a prorestore to the W2K machine
6. At this point, you should have a duplicate of NT4 on
the W2K machine
7. Start/stop/start the database, connect a client or two
or three
8. Once you've satisfied yourself all is ok, repeat steps
4 and 5 (since a day or two will probably have passed by now)
9. Repeat step 7
10. Apply the latest and greatest patches
to both Progress and Vantage
11. Repeat step 7
12. Uninstall Progress on the clients
13. Disconnect the clients from the NT4 server
14. Connect the clients to the W2K server
15. Install Progress/Vantage on the clients

After all this and you still are confused - easily done - call.

Terry L. Williams 176 Shadywood Circle Cranberry, PA 16319
ph/fax: 814-676-8650 tlw@... <mailto:tlw@...>


-----Original Message-----
From: Moore, Jim (Anniston) [mailto:jmoore@...-ots.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:23 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] NT4.0 Server to W2K

I am replacing our Vantage NT4.0 server with a W2K server.
Can someone please provide me with a "checklist", detailed instructions are
even better, of items to do.
We are on 4.00811 and 9.0B29.
We do NOT plan on upgrading to 5.x because of corporate mandates. (We will
use their system in about a year).
Tech support did recommend upgrading the Progress patch to 9.0B44.
Can I go from Progress and Vantage right off the CD's to .811 and 9.0B44,
skipping patches in between?
Will installing another installation of Vantage on our Lan cause problems
with the live version?

Any help and advice is appreciated as I have never attempted this before.

Thanks.

Jim Moore
jmoore@...-ots.com


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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9
Vantage will convert the database but can you use the prorestore utility if
the progress vertions of the database and the restore utilty do not match?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Spriggle [mailto:rspriggle@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] NT4.0 Server to W2K [SMC WIRE FABRICATORS]


Terry,

I don't think it will matter if you restore an older database to an install
with newer patches. It is really no different than installing the patch
itself. All you should have to do is log on as a system manager and run any
necessary data conversions to bring the database up to the patch level of
the new install. I've done this many .... well, at least a couple times on
our test server and I always forget to update the training database after a
new patch too.

Rick



>after the posting, I realized by doing steps 10 and 11 (repeating the
>probackup and prorestore and then starting the database)
>you're gonna have an older database with newer patches. It won't work.


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/