[Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site

Dina and all,

Depending so much on a 3rd-party diety for continuity when disaster hits,
accounts for a good percentage of the stress associated with our particular
line of work. I have found something though, that I think will do the job,
and relatively inexpensively. For about 2 grand total, I'm having an
innovative guy, Toronto based RDC consulting (rduvall@...), get me
setup with a new kind of backup system that addresses nearly all of the
issues brought up in this thread - the same things that have been on my mind
as my network growth mushroomed. Maybe this will be of help to some on the
list.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD



Powerquest V2i Protector backup storage solution

Some important features:
Realtime
HD-based
Doesn't interrupt normal server activity
Mirroring
Hot-swap
Automatic
Scheduleable (a word?)
Can remove the HD & keep bups offsite
Backup the whole HD at once
Many servers at once stored on one HD
Restores a server in a matter of hours instead of weeks


http://www.powerquest.com/v2i/protector/server

V2i Protector Server Edition Overview
PowerQuest V2i Protector is a real-time disk-based system and storage backup
solution designed to capture and encapsulate all server files and
configurations in one easy-to-manage backup file. Utilizing PowerQuest's
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or RAID array without interrupting user productivity or application usage.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


Todd,

Last Week we had 4 out 4 drives go bad (this is not a typing error) on
my NAS unit. We got hit by a bad storm - thank god we had good tape back
ups.


Best Regards,


Dina Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100 Phone
(412) 963-9511 Fax

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:30 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


Now I like that idea.

Can I do this while the machine is running?

-----Original Message-----
From: pjw@... [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


Only if you break the mirror and take a drive home with you at night.

Patrick Winter


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:11 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape
backup
system.

Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

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From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software Although
we
did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
recommending to management to purchase this.
What it does is writes your data to two servers
Like disk mirroring
If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
knows any difference

Its pretty sweet
Check it out at

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
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Hello Everyone,

We are thinking about purchasing another NAS and setting up VPN to back
up to the owner company. Does anyone do this? Recommendations? Idea's?
Or do most you still you tapes and bring one out of the building once a
week? etc.


Best Regards,


Dina Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100 Phone
(412) 963-9511 Fax



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I would think that backup over wire would be a huge bit of bandwidth.
Moving Large files (750 Meg for example) is hours long over a cable
modem connection. I think you could expect pretty much nothing else
over your connection 24/7 but your backup files moving. Tape still
seems to be the most practical and cost effective. For us everything
goes off site everyday except for the Tape in the tape drive.

Shirley


-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:17 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site

Hello Everyone,

We are thinking about purchasing another NAS and setting up VPN to back
up to the owner company. Does anyone do this? Recommendations? Idea's?
Or do most you still you tapes and bring one out of the building once a
week? etc.


Best Regards,


Dina Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100 Phone
(412) 963-9511 Fax



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Shirley,

My wordin was incorrect. I am looking to mirror my NAS. We are a
fairly small company (30 Employees).


Best Regards,


Dina Hieber
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-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


I would think that backup over wire would be a huge bit of bandwidth.
Moving Large files (750 Meg for example) is hours long over a cable
modem connection. I think you could expect pretty much nothing else
over your connection 24/7 but your backup files moving. Tape still
seems to be the most practical and cost effective. For us everything
goes off site everyday except for the Tape in the tape drive.

Shirley


-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:17 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site

Hello Everyone,

We are thinking about purchasing another NAS and setting up VPN to back
up to the owner company. Does anyone do this? Recommendations? Idea's?
Or do most you still you tapes and bring one out of the building once a
week? etc.


Best Regards,


Dina Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100 Phone
(412) 963-9511 Fax



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We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software
Although we did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
recommending to management to purchase this.
What it does is writes your data to two servers
Like disk mirroring
If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
knows any difference

Its pretty sweet
Check it out at

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
Hi Dina,

We at General Sheet Metal backup nightly to tape.
We store the tapes in another building.
We have considered using our ISP as a secondary,
but that is expensive.

Thanks

John Mansfield
General Sheet Metal
----- Original Message -----
From: Dina Hieber
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:16 PM
Subject: [Vantage] [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


Hello Everyone,

We are thinking about purchasing another NAS and setting up VPN to back
up to the owner company. Does anyone do this? Recommendations? Idea's?
Or do most you still you tapes and bring one out of the building once a
week? etc.


Best Regards,


Dina Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100 Phone
(412) 963-9511 Fax



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Does Vantage support clustering?

Mike Tonoyan / All American Products Co.
E-mail: miket@...


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To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


> We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software
> Although we did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
> recommending to management to purchase this.
> What it does is writes your data to two servers
> Like disk mirroring
> If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
> knows any difference
>
> Its pretty sweet
> Check it out at
>
> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to
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Only in the privacy of one's home

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To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


Does Vantage support clustering?

Mike Tonoyan / All American Products Co.
E-mail: miket@...


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To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


> We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software
> Although we did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
> recommending to management to purchase this.
> What it does is writes your data to two servers
> Like disk mirroring
> If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
> knows any difference
>
> Its pretty sweet
> Check it out at
>
> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
>
>
>
>
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> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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>
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>



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We have a contract with a company that everynight they upload everything in
a certain folder on one of our servers to their site. It happens in the
middle of the night when we are not using our badwidth for anything else.
Our network admin set it up, and all I have to do is make sure the files I
want moved offsite are there every day. I have a script that runs the
backup, zips the backup and copies it over to the right folder. It's been
working well for us.

Bart Sgroi

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From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:17 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


Hello Everyone,

We are thinking about purchasing another NAS and setting up VPN to back
up to the owner company. Does anyone do this? Recommendations? Idea's?
Or do most you still you tapes and bring one out of the building once a
week? etc.


Best Regards,


Dina Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100 Phone
(412) 963-9511 Fax



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I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape backup
system.

Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

-----Original Message-----
From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software
Although we did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
recommending to management to purchase this.
What it does is writes your data to two servers
Like disk mirroring
If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
knows any difference

Its pretty sweet
Check it out at

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
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Only if you break the mirror and take a drive home with you at night.

Patrick Winter


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From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:11 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape backup
system.

Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

-----Original Message-----
From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software Although we
did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
recommending to management to purchase this.
What it does is writes your data to two servers
Like disk mirroring
If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
knows any difference

Its pretty sweet
Check it out at

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
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I bet all those mirrored drives in the World Trade Center Protected
their data just peachy keen.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:11 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site

I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape
backup
system.

Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

-----Original Message-----
From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software
Although we did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
recommending to management to purchase this.
What it does is writes your data to two servers
Like disk mirroring
If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
knows any difference

Its pretty sweet
Check it out at

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
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Mirroring doesn't help much if your server is destroyed (fire, earthquake,
vandalism, ...)

Regards,
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:11 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site

I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape backup
system.

Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

-----Original Message-----
From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software
Although we did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
recommending to management to purchase this.
What it does is writes your data to two servers
Like disk mirroring
If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
knows any difference

Its pretty sweet
Check it out at

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111>
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In my opinion that is definately not true. A mirror will give some form of
protection from a hard drive going bad. It will not protect you in the
event of a fire.

Bart Sgroi

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:11 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape backup
system.

Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

-----Original Message-----
From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software
Although we did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
recommending to management to purchase this.
What it does is writes your data to two servers
Like disk mirroring
If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
knows any difference

Its pretty sweet
Check it out at

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111>
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We mirror the Vantage related drives and have a warm spare (RAID will auto build to it if drive fails) but still take all tapes once a week down to a fire-proof (but not meda safe) vault in a concrete tunnel under the building. Also I take a tape home once a week. Nothing like the warm fuzzy feeling of knowing that data is safely far enough away from the server.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sgroi, Bart T. [mailto:bart.sgroi@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:16 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


In my opinion that is definately not true. A mirror will give some form of
protection from a hard drive going bad. It will not protect you in the
event of a fire.

Bart Sgroi

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:11 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape backup
system.

Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

-----Original Message-----
From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software
Although we did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
recommending to management to purchase this.
What it does is writes your data to two servers
Like disk mirroring
If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
knows any difference

Its pretty sweet
Check it out at

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
< http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111>
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While we are on the subject
Does anyone shut their database and do a complete tape backup of
everything related to Vantage?
Oh sure, and now you're going to tell me that I should have offsite backup
copies and some extra equipment that would allow me to actually do something
with them.

You are NO fun !

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


I bet all those mirrored drives in the World Trade Center Protected
their data just peachy keen.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:11 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site

I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape
backup
system.

Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

-----Original Message-----
From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


We looked at a product called Double Take from Sunbelt software
Although we did not purchase it (Downturn in business) I still am
recommending to management to purchase this.
What it does is writes your data to two servers
Like disk mirroring
If one server goes down, the other one takes over and no one ever
knows any difference

Its pretty sweet
Check it out at

http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/product.cfm?id=111>
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Now I like that idea.

Can I do this while the machine is running?

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Only if you break the mirror and take a drive home with you at night.

Patrick Winter


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I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape backup
system.

Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

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Actually my email server ( desktop pc ) just died and my boss wanted to know
why it took me 2 days to rebuild it. Seems he didn't understand me 2
months ago when I pointed out that the desktop PC he wanted me to use did
NOT have a tape backup system so I had to rebuild all the options/specs etc
by hand from memory.

I still miss the good old days when we could afford actual servers with tape
drives .... such a luxury!

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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:15 PM
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I bet all those mirrored drives in the World Trade Center Protected
their data just peachy keen.

Shirley

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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site

We mirror the Vantage related drives and have a warm spare (RAID will auto
build to it if drive fails) but still take all tapes once a week down to a
fire-proof (but not meda safe) vault in a concrete tunnel under the
building. Also I take a tape home once a week. Nothing like the warm fuzzy
feeling of knowing that data is safely far enough away from the server.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:16 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
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In my opinion that is definately not true. A mirror will give some form of
protection from a hard drive going bad. It will not protect you in the
event of a fire.

Bart Sgroi

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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:11 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
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I'm told that if you mirror your hard drives you don't need a tape backup
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Has anyone else heard that or is it just a CFO opinion ?

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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [Off Topic] Back Up to Another Site


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