Also: we have lost quite a few hard drives (and NICs) in the four years
I've been here-all different brands, WD, Seagate, Cousin Fred. Mostly on
computers exposed to high heat and nasty conditions...our shop (like most)
isn't just dirty, it's filled with oil and skydrol and lots of metal chips.
I've chalked it up to the price of doing business in that environment. The
boxes to protect the systems cost more than the systems these days, so you
have to weigh that as well.

Thanks for the tip about the WD drives, though, I'll sure look at any more
that go bad.

Meanwhile, the old ones also make really interesting bookends.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 5:10 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

Funny, the only drives I have ever seen fail are Western Digitals,
especially the Caviars.... I used to send them back to the manufacturer,
but now I don't even bother anymore. They make nice doorstops and
paperweights, though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

Over the years of working on PC's on the side, I've replaced 5 hard drives
that crashed. ALL 5 were Western Digital (one was just this week, in fact,
for a friend). All were 6GB and under. One was under warranty, and when you
send one in under warranty, they replace it with a used Hard Drive. I had
one of their replacements go bad too. If I ever buy a Hard Drive, it will be
anything BUT WD. Just personal experience.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Dina Hieber
To: vantage@onelist.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
the problem is that is fails on SMART.

Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?

Thanks,
Dina

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Dina,

I have used several Western Digital drives with no problems. Check the
drives to see how hot they are
running. Heat is the #1 killer. It need be, put a drive cooler fan under
the drives. This should really help.

Also, I have used several IBM Deskstar drives with very good luck.

Dave Cole
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-----Original Message-----
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To: vantage@onelist.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
the problem is that is fails on SMART.

Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?

Thanks,
Dina

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Dina,

What type of computers are you using? We have
had Compaq PCs report SMART Hard disk errors
when they boot (1720 Error, I think), but there is really
nothing wrong with the drive. It is a BIOS issue with
Compaq and some hard drives.

Tim Care
Electro Chemical Finishing

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dina Hieber" <dhieber@...>
To: "vantage@onelist.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

> We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
> failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
> the problem is that is fails on SMART.
>
> Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?
>
> Thanks,
> Dina
>

Dina,

I've used Western Digital drives on and off for years with no troubles. I
suspect your problems may be heat related. We go through all of our shop
PC's about every 6 months and blow out the cases and fans. I've actually
opened up PC's on the shop floor where the fans have shut down do to all the
dirt that has built up on the blades and housings. I've also seen
motherboards where the chips are literally buried in dust. All of which
raises the temperature of the hard drive and components to a level that
causes early failure. Regular cleaning has helped greatly.

The other choice you have is to keep your PC's in the office and use cable
extenders to the monitor/keyboard/mouse on the shop floor. Or you can spend
the money to make or purchase enclosures with fans and filters for your
PC's.

Good Luck

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:45 AM
To: vantage@onelist.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
the problem is that is fails on SMART.

Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?

Thanks,
Dina

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Tim,

These are computers we built here at our facility. We also use these
computers in the equipment we sale and we have not seen a problem until we
swtiched to Western Digital Drives. I think Todd maybe right about the
dirt and tempature. But I am also thinking vibration maybe a problem. When
we changed drives to Western Digital we also started to use a hard drive
carrier. Has anyone seen any problems using carriers and vibration? I am
grasping for straws now?

Thanks,
Dina
Tim Care wrote:

> Dina,
>
> What type of computers are you using? We have
> had Compaq PCs report SMART Hard disk errors
> when they boot (1720 Error, I think), but there is really
> nothing wrong with the drive. It is a BIOS issue with
> Compaq and some hard drives.
>
> Tim Care
> Electro Chemical Finishing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dina Hieber" <dhieber@...>
> To: "vantage@onelist.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:45 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives
>
> > We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
> > failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
> > the problem is that is fails on SMART.
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dina
> >
>
>
>
>
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Tina,

Do the carriers have fans in them? If not, the temperature is really going
to increase in those drives.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:01 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

Tim,

These are computers we built here at our facility. We also use these
computers in the equipment we sale and we have not seen a problem until we
swtiched to Western Digital Drives. I think Todd maybe right about the
dirt and tempature. But I am also thinking vibration maybe a problem. When
we changed drives to Western Digital we also started to use a hard drive
carrier. Has anyone seen any problems using carriers and vibration? I am
grasping for straws now?

Thanks,
Dina
Tim Care wrote:

> Dina,
>
> What type of computers are you using? We have
> had Compaq PCs report SMART Hard disk errors
> when they boot (1720 Error, I think), but there is really
> nothing wrong with the drive. It is a BIOS issue with
> Compaq and some hard drives.
>
> Tim Care
> Electro Chemical Finishing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dina Hieber" <dhieber@...>
> To: "vantage@onelist.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:45 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives
>
> > We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
> > failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
> > the problem is that is fails on SMART.
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dina
> >
>
>
>
>
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Dave,

They do have a fan with them. They are a cheap carrier though.

Thanks,
Dina
"Cole, Dave" wrote:

> Tina,
>
> Do the carriers have fans in them? If not, the temperature is really going
> to increase in those drives.
>
>
> Dave Cole
> Reeder & Kline
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:01 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives
>
> Tim,
>
> These are computers we built here at our facility. We also use these
> computers in the equipment we sale and we have not seen a problem until we
> swtiched to Western Digital Drives. I think Todd maybe right about the
> dirt and tempature. But I am also thinking vibration maybe a problem. When
> we changed drives to Western Digital we also started to use a hard drive
> carrier. Has anyone seen any problems using carriers and vibration? I am
> grasping for straws now?
>
> Thanks,
> Dina
> Tim Care wrote:
>
> > Dina,
> >
> > What type of computers are you using? We have
> > had Compaq PCs report SMART Hard disk errors
> > when they boot (1720 Error, I think), but there is really
> > nothing wrong with the drive. It is a BIOS issue with
> > Compaq and some hard drives.
> >
> > Tim Care
> > Electro Chemical Finishing
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dina Hieber" <dhieber@...>
> > To: "vantage@onelist.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:45 AM
> > Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives
> >
> > > We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
> > > failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
> > > the problem is that is fails on SMART.
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dina
> > >
> >
> >
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Dave,

I did run it. But I receive an error code number which allows me to return
it to W.D. but they can not tell me what the error code means.

Dina

"Cole, Dave" wrote:

> Dina,
>
> Another thing to try is to download the Data Lifeguard Tool from the
> following Western Digital site and run it and see it it finds any real
> problem.
>
>
> http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html
> <http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html>
>
> Dave Cole
> Reeder & Kline
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Dina,

I would still have to say it is temperature related. I have found that if I
use some type of auxiliary fan to help cool the drive, I have far less drive
failures.

Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

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From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

Dave,

I did run it. But I receive an error code number which allows me to return
it to W.D. but they can not tell me what the error code means.

Dina

"Cole, Dave" wrote:

> Dina,
>
> Another thing to try is to download the Data Lifeguard Tool from the
> following Western Digital site and run it and see it it finds any real
> problem.
>
>
> http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html

<http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html>

> < http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html

<http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html> >

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Hardware department checking in again.
WD had a recall a little while back. It was for certain drives between 6.4
Gig and 20.5 Gig that were manufactured Aug 27 and Sep 24 1999. They would
not say what was wrong or why for the recall, but as you might expect I have
some inside info for you about it.
What they would tell everyone is that there was a faulty chip that someone
provided to them (not my fault syndrome).
What they would do is replace the drive (sorry all that data is gone).
What they would not tell you is this. Your data was very much intact. With
this very specific set of drives that were recalled the problem was with the
circuit board attached to the bottom of the drive. If you got a replacement
drive of a similar model, you could (with little expertise) remove the
screws holding the board to the drive and swap it with a good one. Then
bingo the drive was operational and the data intact. The test program that
they provided via the website works with fully functional drives to see if
they match the recall.
This information may not apply to this particular situation, but it may be
of some value to someone out there. The thing that made me jump was the 40%
failure rate. That set the gears in motion to bring back some of the info
and then I got to looking.
If you are curious about the specific models, there is more information at
WD's web site... http://www.wdc.com/fitness/drive-alert.html
So this may or may not apply, but it might save someone a rather major
headache someday.
PS...If you are wondering about it, you can download the test, and test any
drive for this issue. It will not harm any drive (WD or not) but will give
the confidence of knowing if this may be the issue you are having.
Good luck.

Aaron Hoyt
System Administrator
Design Standards Corp.
PO Box 1620
Charlestown, NH 03603
Tel 603-826-7744
<mailto:Aaron@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

Dave,

I did run it. But I receive an error code number which allows me to return
it to W.D. but they can not tell me what the error code means.

Dina

"Cole, Dave" wrote:

> Dina,
>
> Another thing to try is to download the Data Lifeguard Tool from the
> following Western Digital site and run it and see it it finds any real
> problem.
>
>
> http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html
> <http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html>
>
> Dave Cole
> Reeder & Kline
>

Aaron,

I am going to try that - I will keep you posted.

Thanks for the info.

Dina
Aaron Hoyt wrote:

> Hardware department checking in again.
> WD had a recall a little while back. It was for certain drives between 6.4
> Gig and 20.5 Gig that were manufactured Aug 27 and Sep 24 1999. They would
> not say what was wrong or why for the recall, but as you might expect I have
> some inside info for you about it.
> What they would tell everyone is that there was a faulty chip that someone
> provided to them (not my fault syndrome).
> What they would do is replace the drive (sorry all that data is gone).
> What they would not tell you is this. Your data was very much intact. With
> this very specific set of drives that were recalled the problem was with the
> circuit board attached to the bottom of the drive. If you got a replacement
> drive of a similar model, you could (with little expertise) remove the
> screws holding the board to the drive and swap it with a good one. Then
> bingo the drive was operational and the data intact. The test program that
> they provided via the website works with fully functional drives to see if
> they match the recall.
> This information may not apply to this particular situation, but it may be
> of some value to someone out there. The thing that made me jump was the 40%
> failure rate. That set the gears in motion to bring back some of the info
> and then I got to looking.
> If you are curious about the specific models, there is more information at
> WD's web site... http://www.wdc.com/fitness/drive-alert.html
> So this may or may not apply, but it might save someone a rather major
> headache someday.
> PS...If you are wondering about it, you can download the test, and test any
> drive for this issue. It will not harm any drive (WD or not) but will give
> the confidence of knowing if this may be the issue you are having.
> Good luck.
>
> Aaron Hoyt
> System Administrator
> Design Standards Corp.
> PO Box 1620
> Charlestown, NH 03603
> Tel 603-826-7744
> <mailto:Aaron@...>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:36 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives
>
> Dave,
>
> I did run it. But I receive an error code number which allows me to return
> it to W.D. but they can not tell me what the error code means.
>
> Dina
>
> "Cole, Dave" wrote:
>
> > Dina,
> >
> > Another thing to try is to download the Data Lifeguard Tool from the
> > following Western Digital site and run it and see it it finds any real
> > problem.
> >
> >
> > http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html
> > <http://www.westerndigital.com/service/diagnostics.html>
> >
> > Dave Cole
> > Reeder & Kline
> >
>
>
>
>
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Over the years of working on PC's on the side, I've replaced 5 hard drives that crashed. ALL 5 were Western Digital (one was just this week, in fact, for a friend). All were 6GB and under. One was under warranty, and when you send one in under warranty, they replace it with a used Hard Drive. I had one of their replacements go bad too. If I ever buy a Hard Drive, it will be anything BUT WD. Just personal experience.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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To: vantage@onelist.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
the problem is that is fails on SMART.

Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?

Thanks,
Dina

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In the six years that I've been working with PCs, I've had drives of all
sizes, from all manufacturers, both IDE and SCSI go bad. I think it is just
a law of averages. For me I'd have to say I've had the best luck with
Western Digital and the worst luck with Seagate. I don't think it is
anything you can get away from. Just my $.02.

Rick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives
>
>
> Over the years of working on PC's on the side, I've replaced
> 5 hard drives that crashed. ALL 5 were Western Digital (one
> was just this week, in fact, for a friend). All were 6GB and
> under. One was under warranty, and when you send one in under
> warranty, they replace it with a used Hard Drive. I had one
> of their replacements go bad too. If I ever buy a Hard Drive,
> it will be anything BUT WD. Just personal experience.
>
> Troy Funte
> Liberty Electronics

Funny, the only drives I have ever seen fail are Western Digitals,
especially the Caviars.... I used to send them back to the manufacturer,
but now I don't even bother anymore. They make nice doorstops and
paperweights, though.

Paul

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From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

Over the years of working on PC's on the side, I've replaced 5 hard drives
that crashed. ALL 5 were Western Digital (one was just this week, in fact,
for a friend). All were 6GB and under. One was under warranty, and when you
send one in under warranty, they replace it with a used Hard Drive. I had
one of their replacements go bad too. If I ever buy a Hard Drive, it will be
anything BUT WD. Just personal experience.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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From: Dina Hieber
To: vantage@onelist.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives

We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
the problem is that is fails on SMART.

Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?

Thanks,
Dina

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Paul,

That is the same drive - Caviars 8.4gb

Dina

Paul Siebers wrote:

> Funny, the only drives I have ever seen fail are Western Digitals,
> especially the Caviars.... I used to send them back to the manufacturer,
> but now I don't even bother anymore. They make nice doorstops and
> paperweights, though.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives
>
> Over the years of working on PC's on the side, I've replaced 5 hard drives
> that crashed. ALL 5 were Western Digital (one was just this week, in fact,
> for a friend). All were 6GB and under. One was under warranty, and when you
> send one in under warranty, they replace it with a used Hard Drive. I had
> one of their replacements go bad too. If I ever buy a Hard Drive, it will be
> anything BUT WD. Just personal experience.
>
> Troy Funte
> Liberty Electronics
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dina Hieber
> To: vantage@onelist.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:45 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic - Hard Drives
>
> We are experience a large rate of failures in our shop computers. (40%
> failure rate) The all the drives are western digital and majority of
> the problem is that is fails on SMART.
>
> Can anyone recommend a stable hard drive for a shop environment?
>
> Thanks,
> Dina
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