Good point, Todd.
And Dina, consultants tend to leave out key points (intentionally or
otherwise), when explaining things to you, so you end up having to call them
again the next time you try it on your own and can't get that one thing to
work. And make sure your consultant is somebody with whom you feel
comfortable telling what you want done - THEY like to tell you what YOU want
done.
Don't rely soley on the consultant - other sources (like this group) offer
good advice that may contradict the consultant's recommendations. And don't
forget, once they make the gaggle of changes that they will make to your
network, you will be the one left to deal with the new system on a
day-to-day basis - and your knowledge and comfort level with your network
may not be as good as before.
Weigh the pros and cons of all your consulting choices against what you're
looking for from a consultant - somebody may be further away than you'd
like, or have to do the work through the internet, but if he is "the one"
(-like in "The Matrix"), then in my opinion, that's who you should use.
Mine lives in Toronto, dials in through VPN when necessary, charges
reasonable rates, and I learn a lot from him because he's also an instructor
teaching classes on just about everything. When necessary, he comes on-site
(was only necessary once).
Lastly... if you find a good one, hang on to them - consultants are
everywhere - good ones aren't.
$.02,
Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:41 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] Hiring a Temp to Set up Network -
Questions to Ask
In addition to Judd's advice....
Make sure they have access to MS technical support sites (the ones they have
to pay for). Also, find someone who is comfortable with you looking for
their shoulder and letting you "learn on them". This way when they are gone
you have some clue what the did and why. There are also a lot of preference
settings in AD so you will need someone who will ask you how you want things
instead of going ahead and doing it "their way".
-Todd C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Shearer, Judd [mailto:judds@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:11 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] Hiring a Temp to Set up Network -
Questions to Ask
The best suggestion I can give you:
Look for someone who has experience not certifications
Get customer names from the person where they have set up networks, in other
words proven results from other people.
Make sure the person has worked with active dir. Again get references.
Look local for a computer/ network company and talk to some of their
customers. If the sales person selling the service talks a lot about how
their techs are certified and hold many certs that could mean the techs are
only certified and do not have experience.
Take it from a tech who has 13 years exp in almost any office equiptement
and computers. You want someone who is fast, exact, and knowledge.
Pricing in our area is around 120.00 /hr. do not ask a service company to
run wire. Find a different source for that. Techs can put the ends on the
wire but usually are not good with running the wire.
Judd Shearer
Custom Hoists
-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] Hiring a Temp to Set up Network - Questions
to Ask
Hello Everyone,
My boss finally gave me to okay to have someone come in and set up the
Network properly (i.e. active directory...). Due to my lack of
knowledge on networking. I know enought to be dangerous but not enough
to get this done fast....
I was wondering what type of questions to ask this person or what type
of requirements? I do not want someone who is going to "learn" on me.
I can do that myself.
Best Regards,
Dina Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100 Phone
(412) 963-9511 Fax
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And Dina, consultants tend to leave out key points (intentionally or
otherwise), when explaining things to you, so you end up having to call them
again the next time you try it on your own and can't get that one thing to
work. And make sure your consultant is somebody with whom you feel
comfortable telling what you want done - THEY like to tell you what YOU want
done.
Don't rely soley on the consultant - other sources (like this group) offer
good advice that may contradict the consultant's recommendations. And don't
forget, once they make the gaggle of changes that they will make to your
network, you will be the one left to deal with the new system on a
day-to-day basis - and your knowledge and comfort level with your network
may not be as good as before.
Weigh the pros and cons of all your consulting choices against what you're
looking for from a consultant - somebody may be further away than you'd
like, or have to do the work through the internet, but if he is "the one"
(-like in "The Matrix"), then in my opinion, that's who you should use.
Mine lives in Toronto, dials in through VPN when necessary, charges
reasonable rates, and I learn a lot from him because he's also an instructor
teaching classes on just about everything. When necessary, he comes on-site
(was only necessary once).
Lastly... if you find a good one, hang on to them - consultants are
everywhere - good ones aren't.
$.02,
Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:41 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] Hiring a Temp to Set up Network -
Questions to Ask
In addition to Judd's advice....
Make sure they have access to MS technical support sites (the ones they have
to pay for). Also, find someone who is comfortable with you looking for
their shoulder and letting you "learn on them". This way when they are gone
you have some clue what the did and why. There are also a lot of preference
settings in AD so you will need someone who will ask you how you want things
instead of going ahead and doing it "their way".
-Todd C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Shearer, Judd [mailto:judds@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:11 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] Hiring a Temp to Set up Network -
Questions to Ask
The best suggestion I can give you:
Look for someone who has experience not certifications
Get customer names from the person where they have set up networks, in other
words proven results from other people.
Make sure the person has worked with active dir. Again get references.
Look local for a computer/ network company and talk to some of their
customers. If the sales person selling the service talks a lot about how
their techs are certified and hold many certs that could mean the techs are
only certified and do not have experience.
Take it from a tech who has 13 years exp in almost any office equiptement
and computers. You want someone who is fast, exact, and knowledge.
Pricing in our area is around 120.00 /hr. do not ask a service company to
run wire. Find a different source for that. Techs can put the ends on the
wire but usually are not good with running the wire.
Judd Shearer
Custom Hoists
-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:56 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] Hiring a Temp to Set up Network - Questions
to Ask
Hello Everyone,
My boss finally gave me to okay to have someone come in and set up the
Network properly (i.e. active directory...). Due to my lack of
knowledge on networking. I know enought to be dangerous but not enough
to get this done fast....
I was wondering what type of questions to ask this person or what type
of requirements? I do not want someone who is going to "learn" on me.
I can do that myself.
Best Regards,
Dina Hieber
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100 Phone
(412) 963-9511 Fax
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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