[off topic] Network Consulting Services

Todd,



I agree, however those are necessary tools for any arsenal and it beats
the old days when a server could be down hours while the consultant
figured out the problem or worse yet, waited on hold for Microsoft to
help fix the problem.



I think experience is a forgotten art these days. You have to combine
the tools...Google, MS Technet, and little 'ole fashioned intuition to
solve most complicated server/networking issues today. After all, would
you want someone with little experience hacking your registry??



I remember having to download Netware 3.11 drivers from the Novell BBS
over a 9600kbps modem!! Thank goodness those days are gone.



Thanks,



Jason Claggett

Microsoft Small Business Specialist

MCP #3856159

2W Technologies, LLC

312.533.4033 x8039

jason@...



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [off topic] Network Consulting Services



Another factor (amongst what are probably many)....are their
consultant/technicians employees or freelance? I have had much better
success with consulting outfits that have their own employees rather
than a "stable" of self-employed techies that they call. In effect your
consultant becomes just an employment agent. Second factor for employee
based firms is how long their techies have been employed there and/or
how much experience they have. It really bugs me when a network
consultant comes on site then spends most of their time in MS
Knowledgebase articles and Google searches to track down an issue. I
could do that myself....and probably did before I called them.
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of dhieber
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] Network Consulting Services

Happy Monday!!

Well, our company has finally decided to start looking at network /
computer
consulting firm. Normally, my boss and myself have taken care of the
network. But it seems recently we have been overloaded with network that
neither of us are getting anything completed. We have a company coming
in
today to review our needs and to give us a price. I know many out there
use
agency and I was wondering if there are any thing out of the norm I
should
be asking this company? Hidden fees?

Any suggestions on questions I should be asking. Sort a of topic - they
will be upgrading Vantage as well.

Thanks in advance.

Have a Nice Day,

Dina Hieber

Vamco International, Inc.

Phone (412) 963-7100

Fax; (412) 963-7160

www.vamcointernational.com

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Happy Monday!!





Well, our company has finally decided to start looking at network / computer
consulting firm. Normally, my boss and myself have taken care of the
network. But it seems recently we have been overloaded with network that
neither of us are getting anything completed. We have a company coming in
today to review our needs and to give us a price. I know many out there use
agency and I was wondering if there are any thing out of the norm I should
be asking this company? Hidden fees?



Any suggestions on questions I should be asking. Sort a of topic - they
will be upgrading Vantage as well.





Thanks in advance.







Have a Nice Day,



Dina Hieber

Vamco International, Inc.

Phone (412) 963-7100

Fax; (412) 963-7160



www.vamcointernational.com





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Earnest & Associates will fit both of those needs nicely


On 8/20/07, dhieber <dhieber@...> wrote:
> Happy Monday!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, our company has finally decided to start looking at network / computer
> consulting firm. Normally, my boss and myself have taken care of the
> network. But it seems recently we have been overloaded with network that
> neither of us are getting anything completed. We have a company coming in
> today to review our needs and to give us a price. I know many out there use
> agency and I was wondering if there are any thing out of the norm I should
> be asking this company? Hidden fees?
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on questions I should be asking. Sort a of topic - they
> will be upgrading Vantage as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Have a Nice Day,
>
>
>
> Dina Hieber
>
> Vamco International, Inc.
>
> Phone (412) 963-7100
>
> Fax; (412) 963-7160
>
>
>
> www.vamcointernational.com
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Personally I don't like using consultants, E&A has not impressed me yet, they are expensive and usually only care about their check, not you or your system. I want
to get a warm fuzzy feeling when I call for help or questions, not an attitude.
Granted I have had a few that would bend over backwards for me and I would recommend them without a problem (Phone systems)

Depending on your needs and location I have better luck with smaller local companies for the network/desktop support and they tend to take a little more pride in their job.

Watch for any travel charges and fees for doing after hours work. We will not be applying patches during operating hours, and the consultant will be available the next day!

Thoughts and opinions vary based on personal experiences so it is kind of like the Chicken and the egg question.

Darren

----- Original Message ----
From: zjumper <zjumper@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [off topic] Network Consulting Services

Earnest & Associates will fit both of those needs nicely

On 8/20/07, dhieber <dhieber@vamcointern ational.com> wrote:
> Happy Monday!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, our company has finally decided to start looking at network / computer
> consulting firm. Normally, my boss and myself have taken care of the
> network. But it seems recently we have been overloaded with network that
> neither of us are getting anything completed. We have a company coming in
> today to review our needs and to give us a price. I know many out there use
> agency and I was wondering if there are any thing out of the norm I should
> be asking this company? Hidden fees?
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on questions I should be asking. Sort a of topic - they
> will be upgrading Vantage as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Have a Nice Day,
>
>
>
> Dina Hieber
>
> Vamco International, Inc.
>
> Phone (412) 963-7100
>
> Fax; (412) 963-7160
>
>
>
> www.vamcointernatio nal.com
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>





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Very true. I see your point. We only use E&A for our Vantage upgrade
and our consultant has been excellent. I handle everything thing else
network/computer/IT related. I've had issues with other consultants for
certain issues and can relate.

On 8/20/07, Darren Giordano <scubadoobydootoo@...> wrote:
>
> Personally I don't like using consultants, E&A has not impressed me yet,
> they are expensive and usually only care about their check, not you or your
> system. I want
> to get a warm fuzzy feeling when I call for help or questions, not an
> attitude.
> Granted I have had a few that would bend over backwards for me and I would
> recommend them without a problem (Phone systems)
>
> Depending on your needs and location I have better luck with smaller local
> companies for the network/desktop support and they tend to take a little
> more pride in their job.
>
> Watch for any travel charges and fees for doing after hours work. We will
> not be applying patches during operating hours, and the consultant will be
> available the next day!
>
> Thoughts and opinions vary based on personal experiences so it is kind of
> like the Chicken and the egg question.
>
> Darren
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: zjumper <zjumper@... <zjumper%40gmail.com>>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:46:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] [off topic] Network Consulting Services
>
> Earnest & Associates will fit both of those needs nicely
>
> On 8/20/07, dhieber <dhieber@vamcointern ational.com> wrote:
> > Happy Monday!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, our company has finally decided to start looking at network /
> computer
> > consulting firm. Normally, my boss and myself have taken care of the
> > network. But it seems recently we have been overloaded with network that
> > neither of us are getting anything completed. We have a company coming
> in
> > today to review our needs and to give us a price. I know many out there
> use
> > agency and I was wondering if there are any thing out of the norm I
> should
> > be asking this company? Hidden fees?
> >
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions on questions I should be asking. Sort a of topic - they
> > will be upgrading Vantage as well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Have a Nice Day,
> >
> >
> >
> > Dina Hieber
> >
> > Vamco International, Inc.
> >
> > Phone (412) 963-7100
> >
> > Fax; (412) 963-7160
> >
> >
> >
> > www.vamcointernatio nal.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
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Another factor (amongst what are probably many)....are their consultant/technicians employees or freelance? I have had much better success with consulting outfits that have their own employees rather than a "stable" of self-employed techies that they call. In effect your consultant becomes just an employment agent. Second factor for employee based firms is how long their techies have been employed there and/or how much experience they have. It really bugs me when a network consultant comes on site then spends most of their time in MS Knowledgebase articles and Google searches to track down an issue. I could do that myself....and probably did before I called them.
-Todd C.


________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhieber
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [off topic] Network Consulting Services


Happy Monday!!

Well, our company has finally decided to start looking at network / computer
consulting firm. Normally, my boss and myself have taken care of the
network. But it seems recently we have been overloaded with network that
neither of us are getting anything completed. We have a company coming in
today to review our needs and to give us a price. I know many out there use
agency and I was wondering if there are any thing out of the norm I should
be asking this company? Hidden fees?

Any suggestions on questions I should be asking. Sort a of topic - they
will be upgrading Vantage as well.

Thanks in advance.

Have a Nice Day,

Dina Hieber

Vamco International, Inc.

Phone (412) 963-7100

Fax; (412) 963-7160

www.vamcointernational.com

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