Off topic SPAM

Thanks for the input Wayne! I'm now setup with the ordb.org. My mail
server makes that part easy. I've started building my own blacklist too.

Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Off topic SPAM


At 01:22 PM 5/17/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm having a huge problem with unsolicited e-mail here at ASPI. I was
>wondering what other people are doing to "Make it Stop". I'm looking for
a
>global solution, so that every e-mail client doesn't have to police their
>own spam filters. I'm assuming that I will have to get something going
at

Well, just about every page on your web site has an email address. The
@#$% spammers run web robots, like the search engine places, that roam
about looking for published addresses on web pages to add to their
targets.
Those are probably aliases to other accounts there? If so, change them
all
to something else! Once an address is "poisoned" there's no way [yet] to
get them to quit sending garbage to it. Many people report getting spam
sent to addresses that have been inactive for over 5 years.

You can obfuscate MailTo: links on your web page by using ASCII
encoding. This thwarts most of the spam-bots. The
syntax xx; where xxx is the ASCII value of the character you
desire can be put into HTML to represent those unusual characters you
can't
easily type from your keyboard. But it works for any other characters,
too. Move all the email addresses on your web page to one "contacts"
page,
and encode them that way. You can punch up our web page
at: www.xxiii.com [yes, it's an incredibly sucky page!] and do a "view
source" for an example. I don't know the syntax right off, but there's a
"robots.txt" or something you can stick in the directory, or embed in the
page that will prevent most spam-bots from cataloging it also.

Once you've cleaned those up, set your SMTP server to use some of the
DNS-based reject lists that are available. At a
minimum: www.ordb.org catalogs servers [generally foreign] that allow
anyone to relay garbage via them (open relays.) If you want to get a
little more aggressive, do the same with www.spamcop.net I use both
here,
and it rejects 10 - 30 emails a day for the four of us, and has yet to
block a legit email. I also have a long list of static reject domains and
IPs. It includes top-level-domains for entire countries, like .jp .cn .kr
.co etc where I know no one, and won't be doing any business, but harbor
many abusable servers and many others.

Good Luck!



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What would ya'll recommend as the best Linux distribution for me to download to evaluate bearing in mind the following:

1. I've never used it before.
2. It may eventually be used in our company.
3. It would be nice to be able to run Windows-based programs.
4. It ought to look something like Windows.

What's your vote?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics



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I have been using RedHat 7.2 for a couple of months. 7.3 just got released.
It is definitely easy to get it running. Just download the .ISO images,
burn them to CD, boot to the CD and it is no harder than loading Win98.
They have good documentation on their site (ie Installation Guide, Network
Admin Guide, Customisation Guide, etc). I haven't seen the retail kits, but
if you thought you wanted all the manuals in hard copy this might be the way
to go.

I also like their RPM packaging system. Means you can download a .rpm file
for say VNC, and just type 'rpm -i vnc...' and you have it installed.
Purists probably like compiling from source, but I just want things to work.

It is a bit like asking what brand of car to buy, but RedHat is one of the
few distributions that is shipped by OEM vendors on new PCs. It is probably
the one you want to put on your CV.

Their are Windows look alike desktop managers, but I haven't been down that
patch. I have actually only being using XTERM, but RedHat comes with Knome
and KDE.

It is an interesting project though, do we really need MS. Vantage is the
only wrinkle, do we use an ICA client and run off the server, or is WINE or
Lindows the answer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2002 10:12 AM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions


What would ya'll recommend as the best Linux distribution for me to download
to evaluate bearing in mind the following:

1. I've never used it before.
2. It may eventually be used in our company.
3. It would be nice to be able to run Windows-based programs.
4. It ought to look something like Windows.

What's your vote?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics
I'd take a look at slackware - its very stable, likes most hardware, and
is easy to install.

Also take a look at some of the BSD's, FreeBSD is worthy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:12 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions

What would ya'll recommend as the best Linux distribution for me to
download to evaluate bearing in mind the following:

1. I've never used it before.
2. It may eventually be used in our company.
3. It would be nice to be able to run Windows-based programs.
4. It ought to look something like Windows.

What's your vote?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics



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I've been playing around with Linux for many years now and I've used
Slackware, TurboLinux, Caldera OpenLinux, Mandrake, RedHat, SuSe, Corel
Linux, FreeBSD, Debian and many others that I can't remember.



Here is what I would suggest, Mandrake Linux or Caldera OpenLinux. These
can both be downloaded for free in ISO format and cut directly to CD. Check
out www.linuxiso.com <http://www.linuxiso.com/> . Redhat is a great
distribution, but a little complicated for a newbie. Calvin has used Redhat
for years, so he could give you better ideas about it. I'm currently
playing around with SuSe Linux and it is really cool. Not quite for a
newbie, but it recognizes all of your hardware.



As far as running Windows programs, you don't have many options. I've been
beta testing the Lindows OS, but it doesn't run normal programs very well
and is prone to crashing. There is a distribution called Redmond Linux that
looks like Windows, but doesn't run Windows programs any better than any
other Linux distro.



The most user friendly distro is Mandrake. It will practically install
itself. It works with a wide range of hardware. I like the Caldera
OpenLinux, because it was built to work within existing networks. It is the
only distro that supports Novell IPX/SPX easily. It also has a good
front-end to Samba (software to connect to SMB, ie Microsoft, networks).
Here is a great site to check out and help you along in your search for a
good Linux distro. www.linuxnewbie.org <http://www.linuxnewbie.org/>



One thing that you have to watch out for with the Linux community is that
there are a lot of zealots. They will flame you if you don't ask the right
questions or like a certain version, etc. Just watch out for them. Linux
is really cool and hopefully one day it will be a viable alternative to
Windows. Can't beat the price.



Hope this helps you out Troy,



Ted Kitch
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-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:12 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions



What would ya'll recommend as the best Linux distribution for me to download
to evaluate bearing in mind the following:

1. I've never used it before.
2. It may eventually be used in our company.
3. It would be nice to be able to run Windows-based programs.
4. It ought to look something like Windows.

What's your vote?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics



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Ted,
Thanks for all the info. Can you explain the ISO format? I'm not familiar with it, but like the idea. Am I correct in observing that there are 3 ISO files for Mandrake @ 650MB each? Wow, that will take years to download!!!

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Kitch
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions


I've been playing around with Linux for many years now and I've used
Slackware, TurboLinux, Caldera OpenLinux, Mandrake, RedHat, SuSe, Corel
Linux, FreeBSD, Debian and many others that I can't remember.



Here is what I would suggest, Mandrake Linux or Caldera OpenLinux. These
can both be downloaded for free in ISO format and cut directly to CD. Check
out www.linuxiso.com <http://www.linuxiso.com/> . Redhat is a great
distribution, but a little complicated for a newbie. Calvin has used Redhat
for years, so he could give you better ideas about it. I'm currently
playing around with SuSe Linux and it is really cool. Not quite for a
newbie, but it recognizes all of your hardware.



As far as running Windows programs, you don't have many options. I've been
beta testing the Lindows OS, but it doesn't run normal programs very well
and is prone to crashing. There is a distribution called Redmond Linux that
looks like Windows, but doesn't run Windows programs any better than any
other Linux distro.



The most user friendly distro is Mandrake. It will practically install
itself. It works with a wide range of hardware. I like the Caldera
OpenLinux, because it was built to work within existing networks. It is the
only distro that supports Novell IPX/SPX easily. It also has a good
front-end to Samba (software to connect to SMB, ie Microsoft, networks).
Here is a great site to check out and help you along in your search for a
good Linux distro. www.linuxnewbie.org <http://www.linuxnewbie.org/>



One thing that you have to watch out for with the Linux community is that
there are a lot of zealots. They will flame you if you don't ask the right
questions or like a certain version, etc. Just watch out for them. Linux
is really cool and hopefully one day it will be a viable alternative to
Windows. Can't beat the price.



Hope this helps you out Troy,



Ted Kitch
ted@...



-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:12 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions



What would ya'll recommend as the best Linux distribution for me to download
to evaluate bearing in mind the following:

1. I've never used it before.
2. It may eventually be used in our company.
3. It would be nice to be able to run Windows-based programs.
4. It ought to look something like Windows.

What's your vote?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics



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I have been using redhat of various levels for several years. they have
been consistently stable, with good performance. The 7.2 release is very
nice, easy to install.

If you have no *nix experience, I would recommend you get a good
reference manual to help you. I have Red Hat Linux 7.2 Bible (ISBN
0-7645-3630-3), and it seems to be well written, and cover most subjects
well. Certainly a good starter, to-gether with the Linux docs that are
available from Red Hat (in PDF format if my memory serves).

Also, as an aside, I have heard reports that the Progress client (to at
least version 8.3) will run reliably under WINE. I have not tried it
myself, but it is definitely on my list of things to do. Will keep you
advised. As a server platform for Progress, Linux is very good, with
generally excellent performance, on much lighter hardware than required
for similarly size NT installations.

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A .iso is a disk image. From your burner software their should be an option
like "Create CD from disk image file". I use Adaptec EasyCD Creater, and
that is exactly what the option is called under the file menu.

Yep, they are big, if you don't have a T1 you would probably want to use a
download manager. The alternative is that you 'buy' a distribution at
minimal cost. I comes with the CDs (including manuals) and in most cases
some of the manuals in printed form.
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2002 12:09 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions


Ted,
Thanks for all the info. Can you explain the ISO format? I'm not
familiar with it, but like the idea. Am I correct in observing that there
are 3 ISO files for Mandrake @ 650MB each? Wow, that will take years to
download!!!

Troy
Ted,

This was one of those great topics that I like to watch once in a while. As
was your message one of the great educational tools as well.
I just might want to note...
My Browser takes me to http://www.linux-iso.de/linux/index.html when I tried
your link to the linuxiso.com below, but a quick search turned up
http://www.linuxiso.org/ which I found (as an admitted dumb uni-lingual
American) much more useful. My assumption is that this was the intended
site anyway, but if the .com does exist, do you have any other suggestions
about how to get to it? This Linux thing has my attention by now and I am
ready to start learning.
Thanks,

Aaron Hoyt

aaron.hoyt@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Kitch [mailto:onelist@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:21 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions


I've been playing around with Linux for many years now and I've used
Slackware, TurboLinux, Caldera OpenLinux, Mandrake, RedHat, SuSe, Corel
Linux, FreeBSD, Debian and many others that I can't remember.



Here is what I would suggest, Mandrake Linux or Caldera OpenLinux. These
can both be downloaded for free in ISO format and cut directly to CD. Check
out www.linuxiso.com <http://www.linuxiso.com/> . Redhat is a great
distribution, but a little complicated for a newbie. Calvin has used Redhat
for years, so he could give you better ideas about it. I'm currently
playing around with SuSe Linux and it is really cool. Not quite for a
newbie, but it recognizes all of your hardware.



As far as running Windows programs, you don't have many options. I've been
beta testing the Lindows OS, but it doesn't run normal programs very well
and is prone to crashing. There is a distribution called Redmond Linux that
looks like Windows, but doesn't run Windows programs any better than any
other Linux distro.



The most user friendly distro is Mandrake. It will practically install
itself. It works with a wide range of hardware. I like the Caldera
OpenLinux, because it was built to work within existing networks. It is the
only distro that supports Novell IPX/SPX easily. It also has a good
front-end to Samba (software to connect to SMB, ie Microsoft, networks).
Here is a great site to check out and help you along in your search for a
good Linux distro. www.linuxnewbie.org <http://www.linuxnewbie.org/>



One thing that you have to watch out for with the Linux community is that
there are a lot of zealots. They will flame you if you don't ask the right
questions or like a certain version, etc. Just watch out for them. Linux
is really cool and hopefully one day it will be a viable alternative to
Windows. Can't beat the price.



Hope this helps you out Troy,



Ted Kitch
ted@...



-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:12 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions



What would ya'll recommend as the best Linux distribution for me to download
to evaluate bearing in mind the following:

1. I've never used it before.
2. It may eventually be used in our company.
3. It would be nice to be able to run Windows-based programs.
4. It ought to look something like Windows.

What's your vote?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics



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Troy,

On the server side I would say go Red Hat all the way. I've used many other
distributions and have come to find that a lot of software comes packaged
for Red Hat before it is packaged for any other distributions. You can use
other distributions, but it is generally an uphill battle all of the way.
With this said, let me also add I am quite fond of Gentoo Linux (
www.gentoo.com <http://www.gentoo.com> ). Unlike Red Hat, every bit of
Gentoo is compiled from the source for your specific architecture resulting
in a system highly optimized for your hardware. It also includes a slick
package management system called Portage that assists in installing software
and keeping your system up to date with the absolutely most current stable
versions of everything (you can actually update every piece of software on
your system on the fly with one command). The downside...getting a Gentoo
system up and running takes for freakin' ever.

The verdict is still out for client side Linux for me. Lindows looks
promising, but I'm not crazy about $100 per user. Red Hat is a bit too much
for a client desktop (in my opinion). I think we'll see a real client Linux
distribution emerge very soon.

Regardless of which direction you go, be sure to look into Webmin (
www.webmin.com <http://www.webmin.com> ) - a remote web-based management
package that is absolutely killer. As a newbie it will be your best friend.

My $0.02,
AE

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:12 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions


What would ya'll recommend as the best Linux distribution for me to download
to evaluate bearing in mind the following:

1. I've never used it before.
2. It may eventually be used in our company.
3. It would be nice to be able to run Windows-based programs.
4. It ought to look something like Windows.

What's your vote?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics



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Thanks for the correction. I did get the link wrong. That is what happens
when I try and go from memory and don't test the links out first. The
correct link is as you put http://www.linuxiso.org/
<http://www.linuxiso.org/>



Some other great Linux sites are:

http://www.distrowatch.com/ <http://www.distrowatch.com/>

http://special.northernlight.com/linux/
<http://special.northernlight.com/linux/>



The Northernlight site has links to everything you could want. DistroWatch
has some cool comparisons of Linux and help for newbies.



Hope this helps,



Ted Kitch
ted@...



-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:aaron@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:09 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions



Ted,

This was one of those great topics that I like to watch once in a while. As
was your message one of the great educational tools as well.
I just might want to note...
My Browser takes me to http://www.linux-iso.de/linux/index.html
<http://www.linux-iso.de/linux/index.html> when I tried
your link to the linuxiso.com below, but a quick search turned up
http://www.linuxiso.org/ <http://www.linuxiso.org/> which I found (as an
admitted dumb uni-lingual
American) much more useful. My assumption is that this was the intended
site anyway, but if the .com does exist, do you have any other suggestions
about how to get to it? This Linux thing has my attention by now and I am
ready to start learning.
Thanks,

Aaron Hoyt

aaron.hoyt@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Kitch [mailto:onelist@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:21 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions


I've been playing around with Linux for many years now and I've used
Slackware, TurboLinux, Caldera OpenLinux, Mandrake, RedHat, SuSe, Corel
Linux, FreeBSD, Debian and many others that I can't remember.



Here is what I would suggest, Mandrake Linux or Caldera OpenLinux. These
can both be downloaded for free in ISO format and cut directly to CD. Check
out www.linuxiso.com <http://www.linuxiso.com/ <http://www.linuxiso.com/> >
. Redhat is a great
distribution, but a little complicated for a newbie. Calvin has used Redhat
for years, so he could give you better ideas about it. I'm currently
playing around with SuSe Linux and it is really cool. Not quite for a
newbie, but it recognizes all of your hardware.



As far as running Windows programs, you don't have many options. I've been
beta testing the Lindows OS, but it doesn't run normal programs very well
and is prone to crashing. There is a distribution called Redmond Linux that
looks like Windows, but doesn't run Windows programs any better than any
other Linux distro.



The most user friendly distro is Mandrake. It will practically install
itself. It works with a wide range of hardware. I like the Caldera
OpenLinux, because it was built to work within existing networks. It is the
only distro that supports Novell IPX/SPX easily. It also has a good
front-end to Samba (software to connect to SMB, ie Microsoft, networks).
Here is a great site to check out and help you along in your search for a
good Linux distro. www.linuxnewbie.org <http://www.linuxnewbie.org/
<http://www.linuxnewbie.org/> >



One thing that you have to watch out for with the Linux community is that
there are a lot of zealots. They will flame you if you don't ask the right
questions or like a certain version, etc. Just watch out for them. Linux
is really cool and hopefully one day it will be a viable alternative to
Windows. Can't beat the price.



Hope this helps you out Troy,



Ted Kitch
ted@...



-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:12 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions



What would ya'll recommend as the best Linux distribution for me to download
to evaluate bearing in mind the following:

1. I've never used it before.
2. It may eventually be used in our company.
3. It would be nice to be able to run Windows-based programs.
4. It ought to look something like Windows.

What's your vote?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics



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I recently found a nice primer on a typical RedHat and SlackWare install on
TechRepublic. Even though is not entirely complete (add your environment
variables here), it does a pretty good job of explaining Linux newbies a
basic install:
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320020429gld01.htm&fromtm=e1
03-4
In case the article is passworded the title is "Linux installation made
easy" by V. Edward Gold on TechRepublic.com

Then of course, there is the grand pappy of intro to Linux sites:
http://www.linuxnewbie.org Lots of goodies explained in a down to earth
kind of way.

That should keep you going for a while....

Paul
(by the way, I favor RedHat (7.2) on server, workstation, proxy server, and
firewall)

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:12 PM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Linux distributions


What would ya'll recommend as the best Linux distribution for me to download
to evaluate bearing in mind the following:

1. I've never used it before.
2. It may eventually be used in our company.
3. It would be nice to be able to run Windows-based programs.
4. It ought to look something like Windows.

What's your vote?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics



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I'm having a huge problem with unsolicited e-mail here at ASPI. I was
wondering what other people are doing to "Make it Stop". I'm looking for a
global solution, so that every e-mail client doesn't have to police their
own spam filters. I'm assuming that I will have to get something going at
the mail server level to weed out the garbage... or maybe my SMTP gateway on
the firewall.

Any suggestions will help. I'm beginning my efforts to... as we say in the
South... "sling the Axe on this thing!"

Thanks
Paul Lipham
paull@...


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At 01:22 PM 5/17/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm having a huge problem with unsolicited e-mail here at ASPI. I was
>wondering what other people are doing to "Make it Stop". I'm looking for a
>global solution, so that every e-mail client doesn't have to police their
>own spam filters. I'm assuming that I will have to get something going at

Well, just about every page on your web site has an email address. The
@#$% spammers run web robots, like the search engine places, that roam
about looking for published addresses on web pages to add to their targets.
Those are probably aliases to other accounts there? If so, change them all
to something else! Once an address is "poisoned" there's no way [yet] to
get them to quit sending garbage to it. Many people report getting spam
sent to addresses that have been inactive for over 5 years.

You can obfuscate MailTo: links on your web page by using ASCII
encoding. This thwarts most of the spam-bots. The
syntax xx; where xxx is the ASCII value of the character you
desire can be put into HTML to represent those unusual characters you can't
easily type from your keyboard. But it works for any other characters,
too. Move all the email addresses on your web page to one "contacts" page,
and encode them that way. You can punch up our web page
at: www.xxiii.com [yes, it's an incredibly sucky page!] and do a "view
source" for an example. I don't know the syntax right off, but there's a
"robots.txt" or something you can stick in the directory, or embed in the
page that will prevent most spam-bots from cataloging it also.

Once you've cleaned those up, set your SMTP server to use some of the
DNS-based reject lists that are available. At a
minimum: www.ordb.org catalogs servers [generally foreign] that allow
anyone to relay garbage via them (open relays.) If you want to get a
little more aggressive, do the same with www.spamcop.net I use both here,
and it rejects 10 - 30 emails a day for the four of us, and has yet to
block a legit email. I also have a long list of static reject domains and
IPs. It includes top-level-domains for entire countries, like .jp .cn .kr
.co etc where I know no one, and won't be doing any business, but harbor
many abusable servers and many others.

Good Luck!



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