OpenOfficeOrg10

I installed OpenOffice on my personal PC (W2K Pro) this weekend. The first install didn't make it for some reason. I was getting Dr.Watson errors left and right. I had clicked Setup, ran through the defaults, then left the computer and came back later. I don't know what went wrong. Anyway, I couldn't uninstall the program either, so I had to delete registry entries and delete the program files/folders.

After installing a second time (and watching the whole process) everything went smoothly.

"Writer" (alias word) has worked fine in viewing Word documents thus far. I'm still learning where the different features are located as there is a bit of a different feel to the software than I'm used to in Word. There are toolbars everywhere, but the icons are slightly different that Word, so you have to hover your mouse over the icons to see what they do.

"Presentations" (alias Power Point) did fairly well at importing a document that was quite involved. I noticed one "line" that was in a slightly different position than on the original document, so you would want to 'preview' a document before using it live in a presentation.

I am planning on making a presentation to show our management what OpenOffice.org can do. My proposal will recommend installing OpenOffice.org on new PC's that will go to 'low-end' users of Word and Excel. These would be folks that may occasionally view an Excel sheet or Word document, but rarely would do any heavy-duty editing. Since we are nearing the max of licenses we have purchased for Word, we could save hundreds of dollars per PC with very little training. We'll see what happens.


Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics


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Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:11 PM
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I'm downloading it as I type. I'll let you know what I think of it as I get a chance.

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Polvinale
To: Vantage@Yahoogroups. Com
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:08 PM
Subject: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.

For anyone interested, here's the link:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/1.0.0/index.html#en

It would be useful to hear from people trying it as they find bugs, so we
could share a knowledgebase of the problems.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD


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Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.

For anyone interested, here's the link:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/1.0.0/index.html#en

It would be useful to hear from people trying it as they find bugs, so we
could share a knowledgebase of the problems.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD


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I'm downloading it as I type. I'll let you know what I think of it as I get a chance.

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Polvinale
To: Vantage@Yahoogroups. Com
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:08 PM
Subject: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.

For anyone interested, here's the link:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/1.0.0/index.html#en

It would be useful to hear from people trying it as they find bugs, so we
could share a knowledgebase of the problems.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD


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How about the install ? Did you go with SETUP /NET and then do a
workstation setup for each user on the PC ?

I gather this is only required if multiple people will use the PC, but that
is how I would imagine you would want a network connected PC setup.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]

Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.
Mike,

Very little time on my hands right now. I just wanted a look at how the
thing works. I just stored it on the server and downloaded the install from
there to each ws. I'm just testing it with a small group, so I didn't even
think about that yet. Installed it like I do MS Office - individually for
each ws. Heck, I haven't even had time to read any but the basic
documentation. So far it works pretty good. I'm using it myself. I do
miss the format painting tool from Word. Did I overlook it somewhere?

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Miles [mailto:mmiles@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 6:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


How about the install ? Did you go with SETUP /NET and then do a
workstation setup for each user on the PC ?

I gather this is only required if multiple people will use the PC, but that
is how I would imagine you would want a network connected PC setup.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]

Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.




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For those of you who are testing the OpenOffice product ...

Ok, so it's got Word / Excel / PowerPoint look alike functionality to some
degree.

Any ideas for a MS-Access replacement ?

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Miles [mailto:mmiles@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


How about the install ? Did you go with SETUP /NET and then do a
workstation setup for each user on the PC ?

I gather this is only required if multiple people will use the PC, but that
is how I would imagine you would want a network connected PC setup.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]

Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.




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Don't know about that Todd, but there has to be something out there that
performs the same basic functions as access and can at least import/export
to Access. You could always buy just MS Access without the rest.

Let's face it... the open source projects are playing catchup football with
Billy buddy, so they're not going to slide right into MS Office's shoes.
But for basic-to-medium office work, OpenOffice doesn't look too bad so far
in my 1 whole day of testing. The jury will be out for awhile, but I was
impressed by OpenOffice's 1.0 try. It won't happen overnight, and it won't
be all that slick at first. Remember Windows 3.0? But I'm gettin' tired of
Lord Vader's "Access of Evil".

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:26 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


For those of you who are testing the OpenOffice product ...

Ok, so it's got Word / Excel / PowerPoint look alike functionality to some
degree.

Any ideas for a MS-Access replacement ?

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Miles [mailto:mmiles@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


How about the install ? Did you go with SETUP /NET and then do a
workstation setup for each user on the PC ?

I gather this is only required if multiple people will use the PC, but that
is how I would imagine you would want a network connected PC setup.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]

Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.




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I downloaded OpenOffice and installed it on a Win98 and XP machine last night. Looks good and it has all the basics. Didn't have any problems installing it or running it
on either machine.



Gary Polvinale wrote:

> Don't know about that Todd, but there has to be something out there that
> performs the same basic functions as access and can at least import/export
> to Access. You could always buy just MS Access without the rest.
>
> Let's face it... the open source projects are playing catchup football with
> Billy buddy, so they're not going to slide right into MS Office's shoes.
> But for basic-to-medium office work, OpenOffice doesn't look too bad so far
> in my 1 whole day of testing. The jury will be out for awhile, but I was
> impressed by OpenOffice's 1.0 try. It won't happen overnight, and it won't
> be all that slick at first. Remember Windows 3.0? But I'm gettin' tired of
> Lord Vader's "Access of Evil".
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:26 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10
>
> For those of you who are testing the OpenOffice product ...
>
> Ok, so it's got Word / Excel / PowerPoint look alike functionality to some
> degree.
>
> Any ideas for a MS-Access replacement ?
>
> Todd Anderson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Miles [mailto:mmiles@...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:13 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10
>
> How about the install ? Did you go with SETUP /NET and then do a
> workstation setup for each user on the PC ?
>
> I gather this is only required if multiple people will use the PC, but that
> is how I would imagine you would want a network connected PC setup.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
>
> Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
> for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
> this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
> differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
> Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.
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Todd,

Not exactly comparable to MS Access, but if you are looking for a GPLed (and
excellent) database server check out MySQL ( <http://www.mysql.com>
www.mysql.com). It will run on lots of platforms, includes it's own ODBC
client, has REAL database security, and is much more efficient than Access.
Combine with a great front-end (
<http://freshmeat.net/redir/phpmyadmin/8001/url_homepage/>
http://www.phpmyadmin.net/) and you'll be in business.

On another note, while we are on the topic of GPL office packages you all
might want to check out AbiWord ( www.abiword.org <http://www.abiword.org> )
for a MS Word replacement. I haven't used it in a while, but it always made
for a nice medium in between WordPad and Word.

Later,
AE

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:26 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


For those of you who are testing the OpenOffice product ...

Ok, so it's got Word / Excel / PowerPoint look alike functionality to some
degree.

Any ideas for a MS-Access replacement ?

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Miles [mailto:mmiles@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


How about the install ? Did you go with SETUP /NET and then do a
workstation setup for each user on the PC ?

I gather this is only required if multiple people will use the PC, but that
is how I would imagine you would want a network connected PC setup.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]

Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.




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Vantage users already have "an excellent database server" - Progress.
Things you may want that mySQL currently lacks (AFAIK):

Stored Procedures
Transaction logging
User-definable functions

All available to us in Progress. Of course phpMyAdmin is free,
while ProVision is not <g>. However Access VBA + ODBC + Progress
gets a whole lot of work done very easily.



chumming the water,
john



-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Ellis [mailto:adame@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:58 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10
Yes, stored procedures are not currently part of the mySQL server. They are
expected to be introduced in version 4.1 (
http://www.mysql.com/doc/A/N/ANSI_diff_Triggers.html
<http://www.mysql.com/doc/A/N/ANSI_diff_Triggers.html> ). MySQL has veered
away from the transactional paradigm in favor of atomic operations...not
necessarily a weakness (read more about is at
http://www.mysql.com/doc/M/i/Missing_Transactions.html
<http://www.mysql.com/doc/M/i/Missing_Transactions.html> ). User defined
functions do exist in MySQL (see
http://www.mysql.com/portal/software/html/software-66-1.html
<http://www.mysql.com/portal/software/html/software-66-1.html> for a few
examples).

I am interested in the VBA + ODBC + Progress part of the equation that you
mention. We are on Vantage 5.0 using SQL89 and the Merant 3.5 driver. Is
it possible for us to create tables under some facility and add / edit /
delete records using ODBC (aside from switching to the OpenLink or SQL92
driver)? If so, I may have been overlooking Progress as a very viable
database server for all of the "little projects" we have laying around.

AE

mmmm...chum

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sage [mailto:jsage@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


Vantage users already have "an excellent database server" - Progress.
Things you may want that mySQL currently lacks (AFAIK):

Stored Procedures
Transaction logging
User-definable functions

All available to us in Progress. Of course phpMyAdmin is free,
while ProVision is not <g>. However Access VBA + ODBC + Progress
gets a whole lot of work done very easily.



chumming the water,
john



-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Ellis [mailto:adame@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:58 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10





















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Adam,

We're on SQL92 with the Merant 3.60 client - it's proven stable on 5.1
/ Progress 9.1C11.

You can read and write (keeping in mind the problems with bypassing
Vantage's write triggers), and there are many tools available that
will allow you to create tables in or out of the Vantage db (out
is better).

http://www.peg.com/ for assorted Progress utils & links to utils
http://www.v9stuff.com/ Progress utils

Don't forget "Progress Explorer" and "Database Administration" on
the Vantage/Progress server, and of course our buddy ADO.

I read the urls you gave, did not know that user functions had been
added. I am still thinking about atomic transactions given what
was on the website. I confess that I am not on speaking terms with
that concept though, I will need to learn some more about it.

have fun,
john



-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Ellis [mailto:adame@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:16 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10
Gary,

You might want to look at
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/instructions.html it contains information
on installation for multiple users. It would appear to install the bulk to
a common location (wherever you nominate) and just a couple of MBs for each
user (again, to wherever you nominate). It seems a little messy and I don't
know how you would set this up for roaming profiles. I also have only had a
quick look and did both the "setup /net" and "setup" to C:.

<snip>
Multiple users
If you have multiple users set up on your machine, then each user who wishes
to use OpenOffice.org 1.0 will need to install separately. This uses up a
lot of disk space. As an alternative, you can use the multi-user option
instead, though installation is a little more complicated:
<snip>

Regards
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Friday, 10 May 2002 11:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


Mike,

Very little time on my hands right now. I just wanted a look at how the
thing works. I just stored it on the server and downloaded the install from
there to each ws. I'm just testing it with a small group, so I didn't even
think about that yet. Installed it like I do MS Office - individually for
each ws. Heck, I haven't even had time to read any but the basic
documentation. So far it works pretty good. I'm using it myself. I do
miss the format painting tool from Word. Did I overlook it somewhere?

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Miles [mailto:mmiles@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 6:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


How about the install ? Did you go with SETUP /NET and then do a
workstation setup for each user on the PC ?

I gather this is only required if multiple people will use the PC, but that
is how I would imagine you would want a network connected PC setup.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]

Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.
Todd,

How about having one copy of MS-Access developer and I believe everyone else
is then legally entitled to use just run time ?

If you have a couple of power users, let them have regular MS-Access.

Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, 10 May 2002 11:26 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


For those of you who are testing the OpenOffice product ...

Ok, so it's got Word / Excel / PowerPoint look alike functionality to some
degree.

Any ideas for a MS-Access replacement ?

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Miles [mailto:mmiles@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OpenOfficeOrg10


How about the install ? Did you go with SETUP /NET and then do a
workstation setup for each user on the PC ?

I gather this is only required if multiple people will use the PC, but that
is how I would imagine you would want a network connected PC setup.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]

Any word from those of you trying out OpenOffice 1.0? ( Free substitute
for MS Office that Rick Spriggle brought up to the group.) I downloaded it
this AM and have 5 of us trying it out. Doesn't seem too bad. A few minor
differences. We don't do much more than the basics with Word, Excel and
Powerpoint - so we don't miss the macros etc.