[OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync

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Active Sync in Windows Mobile 6.1 supports Out of Office from the device and syncing of tasks and notes. You can also have password policy enforcement, SSL Encryption, remote wipe, etc. Exchange 2007 has stepped up on the Admin side.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weiss
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync


We currently support both, but are moving everyone to Blackberry's as
their contracts renew. BES provides a number of features that are not
available to Active Sync:
Users: Set Out of office from device, OTA sync of tasks and notes,
all configurations backed up to server, secure browsing of intranet
without VPN client,... to name a few.

Admin: Ability to completely manage device (see connection stats,
last reboot, current battery status, etc...), all configurations are
backed up (if CEO looses his curve, he walks into AT&T buys one off
the shelf, I give him a code, in 10 minutes or less, everything
including his ringtones are as they were before. Not to mention I
made the old one a brick from my blackberry (requires mobile admin by
Rove).), enforce policies like password requirement...

On the other hand, Active Sync just requires a whole in the firewall,
almost no administration (good and bad), and it's virtually free to
implement.

Hope this helps. Good luck!
Craig

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Diane Williams <cfo.dwilliams@...>
wrote:
>
> We are on Blackberrys using the BES server and yes the first 30
users for us are free. We have no additional charges show up and
have had no issues with it. This is not available through all mobile
providers. I know that Sprint does it (our service), but Verizon did
not when we looked into it.
>
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>
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> ________________________________
> From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
> To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>" <vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:18:44 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync
>
>
> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry
Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up to
30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that we
can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA compared to
ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on
setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features lost or
gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due to RIM
involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
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Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up to 30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that we can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA compared to ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked well enough.

Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features lost or gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due to RIM involvement?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.



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You might want to recheck that Free BES for outlook I find that
hard to believe. For 30 users you are looking at a couple thousand
bucks. The only free version I know of is the quickstart for
groupwise that allows up to 5 users. Are you thinking using BIS and
settin up IMAP or POP?
If I am wrong please let me know where you found this version of BES
>
> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry
Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up
to 30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that
we can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA
compared to ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked
well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on
setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features
lost or gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due
to RIM involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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The free version comes with one CAL. If you need to support more than
one device then you need to buy more.

The BES software is free and I believe your right that is supports 15 to
30 users. After than you have to buy the "full" version.

We bought 10 device CALS and spent $800 bucks.



Joe



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael McWilliams
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync



You might want to recheck that Free BES for outlook I find that
hard to believe. For 30 users you are looking at a couple thousand
bucks. The only free version I know of is the quickstart for
groupwise that allows up to 5 users. Are you thinking using BIS and
settin up IMAP or POP?
If I am wrong please let me know where you found this version of BES
>
> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry
Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up
to 30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that
we can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA
compared to ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked
well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on
setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features
lost or gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due
to RIM involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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We use a version of BES here in conjunction with Exchange 6.5/2003, and we
rarely have any problems with our Sales People who are all using Curves. We
only have 14 people using it though, I am not sure of the cost since it was
all before I got here, but it was very small if there was any cost at all.

The few problems we have had were pretty much all self inflicted by the end
user, but it mostly just runs and does what it needs to do. Now if I could
just get people to clean up their mailboxes to reduce the size....


----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync


> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry Curves.
> The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up to 30 users)
> version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that we can get for
> free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA compared to ActiveSync in
> Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on setup or
> performance impacts on the mail server? Any features lost or gained
> over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due to RIM involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
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Could you please clarify the CALs part? Is that Exchange CALs from MS or Blackberry licenses from RIM? I suspect the former and darned convenient of the Verizon rep to omit that part.

Thanks,
-Todd C

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rojas, Joe
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync


The free version comes with one CAL. If you need to support more than
one device then you need to buy more.

The BES software is free and I believe your right that is supports 15 to
30 users. After than you have to buy the "full" version.

We bought 10 device CALS and spent $800 bucks.

Joe

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Michael McWilliams
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync

You might want to recheck that Free BES for outlook I find that
hard to believe. For 30 users you are looking at a couple thousand
bucks. The only free version I know of is the quickstart for
groupwise that allows up to 5 users. Are you thinking using BIS and
settin up IMAP or POP?
If I am wrong please let me know where you found this version of BES
>
> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry
Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up
to 30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that
we can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA
compared to ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked
well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on
setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features
lost or gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due
to RIM involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Ned,

Just let them know that once a mailbox reaches its limit it starts to
randomly delete emails...and at one point it really did!

That usually gets them going, at least it worked with my guys! :)



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ned
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync



We use a version of BES here in conjunction with Exchange 6.5/2003, and
we
rarely have any problems with our Sales People who are all using Curves.
We
only have 14 people using it though, I am not sure of the cost since it
was
all before I got here, but it was very small if there was any cost at
all.

The few problems we have had were pretty much all self inflicted by the
end
user, but it mostly just runs and does what it needs to do. Now if I
could
just get people to clean up their mailboxes to reduce the size....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...
<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com> >
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync

> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry Curves.

> The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up to 30 users)

> version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that we can get for
> free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA compared to ActiveSync in

> Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on setup
or
> performance impacts on the mail server? Any features lost or gained
> over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due to RIM
involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
)
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
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You can usually get a basic BES license and 20-30 cals by committing to
contracts with data through your provider. Of course that might mean all
new phones and all new contracts at that time.



No personal experience but I have heard repeatedly not to install BES
on your Exchange server. Best to put it in a VM. The newest BES is
supposed to integrate nicely with Exchange 2007. No hidden charges that
I'm aware of.



Jim



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael McWilliams
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync



You might want to recheck that Free BES for outlook I find that
hard to believe. For 30 users you are looking at a couple thousand
bucks. The only free version I know of is the quickstart for
groupwise that allows up to 5 users. Are you thinking using BIS and
settin up IMAP or POP?
If I am wrong please let me know where you found this version of BES
>
> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry
Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up
to 30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that
we can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA
compared to ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked
well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on
setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features
lost or gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due
to RIM involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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It's a CAL from Blackberry. Above and beyond any other licensing needed
for anything else.



Joe



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Re: [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS
ActiveSync



Could you please clarify the CALs part? Is that Exchange CALs from MS or
Blackberry licenses from RIM? I suspect the former and darned convenient
of the Verizon rep to omit that part.

Thanks,
-Todd C

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Rojas, Joe
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS
ActiveSync

The free version comes with one CAL. If you need to support more than
one device then you need to buy more.

The BES software is free and I believe your right that is supports 15 to
30 users. After than you have to buy the "full" version.

We bought 10 device CALS and spent $800 bucks.

Joe

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf
Of Michael McWilliams
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync

You might want to recheck that Free BES for outlook I find that
hard to believe. For 30 users you are looking at a couple thousand
bucks. The only free version I know of is the quickstart for
groupwise that allows up to 5 users. Are you thinking using BIS and
settin up IMAP or POP?
If I am wrong please let me know where you found this version of BES
>
> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry
Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up
to 30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that
we can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA
compared to ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked
well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on
setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features
lost or gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due
to RIM involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Todd,

I have used the BBes and it works very well. The BBes software IS
free and I have purchased the BB CAL for $100/user (you probably
could get a quantity discount like Joe has). The only other cost is
having the data package on the phone. I have no comparison to MS
ActiveSync so I cant say which is better/easier. But I like the BBes
server because you can wipe clean a device if it gets lost. Once it
is set up/installed, you dont need to touch it except to add new
users. And Users can be walked thru set up under 5 minutes (even the
technically challanged ones). The BBES does not need to sit on the
Exchange server. I have mine on a seperate file server and their
doesnt seem to be any performance issues.

Good luck in your decision
Jeff


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry
Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up to
30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that we
can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA compared to
ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on
setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features lost
or gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due to
RIM involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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We are on Blackberrys using the BES server and yes the first 30 users for us are free. We have no additional charges show up and have had no issues with it. This is not available through all mobile providers. I know that Sprint does it (our service), but Verizon did not when we looked into it.


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________________________________
From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:18:44 AM
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync


Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up to 30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that we can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA compared to ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked well enough.

Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features lost or gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due to RIM involvement?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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We currently support both, but are moving everyone to Blackberry's as
their contracts renew. BES provides a number of features that are not
available to Active Sync:
Users: Set Out of office from device, OTA sync of tasks and notes,
all configurations backed up to server, secure browsing of intranet
without VPN client,... to name a few.

Admin: Ability to completely manage device (see connection stats,
last reboot, current battery status, etc...), all configurations are
backed up (if CEO looses his curve, he walks into AT&T buys one off
the shelf, I give him a code, in 10 minutes or less, everything
including his ringtones are as they were before. Not to mention I
made the old one a brick from my blackberry (requires mobile admin by
Rove).), enforce policies like password requirement...

On the other hand, Active Sync just requires a whole in the firewall,
almost no administration (good and bad), and it's virtually free to
implement.

Hope this helps. Good luck!
Craig

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Diane Williams <cfo.dwilliams@...>
wrote:
>
> We are on Blackberrys using the BES server and yes the first 30
users for us are free. We have no additional charges show up and
have had no issues with it. This is not available through all mobile
providers. I know that Sprint does it (our service), but Verizon did
not when we looked into it.
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
> To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:18:44 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] [OT] Blackberry Personal BES vs. MS ActiveSync
>
>
> Our sales guys want to switch from Moto-Q phones to Blackberry
Curves. The Curve won't do ActiveSync but there is a personal (up to
30 users) version of BES that works on top of Exchange 2007 that we
can get for free. I've used BES before and it was a PITA compared to
ActiveSync in Exchange 2007 but once set up it worked well enough.
>
> Anyone have any experience with this personal BES? Comments on
setup or performance impacts on the mail server? Any features lost or
gained over ActiveSync? Any hidden charges we might get due to RIM
involvement?
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Caughey
> Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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