[OT] Computer cases

Bruce,
If you are looking for an off the shelf answer...
BR Metal Technology makes a product, not inexpensive, that has extended the
life of our shop floor PCs.
Our biggest problem is heat, so we pipe the vent in the back of the case to
the outside to draw in fresh air. The cases have taken a beating (shop
floor mishandling) but the computers have done rather well (other than
replacing the occasional $2 and $5 keyboard and mouse).
http://www.brmetal.com/igjrcallout.html
Otherwise, if you would like to keep the PC, look at constructing a box and
as Wayne notes, put positive air pressure to it, with a filter.
Good luck,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Bruce Butler
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:40 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases


That is exactly what it is. It is an older card that works. We are
using Ethernet to serial for a subset of machines. The Comtroller is
servicing 16 machines. It would require a lot of re-cabling as well as
the cost of a replacement unit. I would rather keep this going since it
works.

Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases

> We are running thin clients for this purpose. The problem is the
particular
> PC I am referring to has an expensive to replace ISA card in it for
> communicating to the machines.

Is it like a Comtrol multiple serial card? How many machines does it
serve
Bruce? For the cost of a new PC, there are ethernet-to-serial devices
that you
can put out there:

http://www.comtrol.com/products/catalog.asp?product=dmsh
<http://www.comtrol.com/products/catalog.asp?product=dmsh>

@ $740/8 Ports and @$1080 for 16 Ports

Mark W.

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I am looking for a recommendation for protecting a shop floor pc from
the oily environment. Any recommendations?



Bruce Butler, IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com>

18 Bradco Street

Keene, NH

p. 603-355-1166

f. 603-355-2266

bbutler@...



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I wish I new because we have about 12 machines on the floor and they are in
horrible condition. None of the CD/DVD drives work on the older ones and
they are only 2/3 years old (on the floor about 1.5 years)...

On 5/22/07, Bruce Butler <bbutler@...> wrote:
>
> I am looking for a recommendation for protecting a shop floor pc from
> the oily environment. Any recommendations?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com>
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@... <bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
>
> The information in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and
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This is exactly the reason I am considering TS and thin clients (with no
fans) for the shop when we migrate to 8.x and the Celeron 500Mhz systems
won't suffice. I shudder every time I have to open a shop floor PC for
a repair and find the gunk inside.
-Todd C.

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Of zjumper
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases



I wish I new because we have about 12 machines on the floor and they are
in
horrible condition. None of the CD/DVD drives work on the older ones and
they are only 2/3 years old (on the floor about 1.5 years)...

On 5/22/07, Bruce Butler <bbutler@...
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com> > wrote:
>
> I am looking for a recommendation for protecting a shop floor pc from
> the oily environment. Any recommendations?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
<http://www.knappe-koester.com> >
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
>
> The information in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and
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Couldn't agree more. The best solution to dealing with the realities of a
shop floor environment is to not place the hardware on the floor. With
that, there are two options; thin clients or blade PC's. In an ideal world,
I prefer the blade solution because it eliminates the single point of
failure problem but as a shop floor solution they are more expensive. Since
the floor usually runs only a tiny subset of the app, it's the perfect
target for thin clients.



Regards,



Michael



Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
<http://www.aspacia.com/> http://www.aspacia.com/




From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases



This is exactly the reason I am considering TS and thin clients (with no
fans) for the shop when we migrate to 8.x and the Celeron 500Mhz systems
won't suffice. I shudder every time I have to open a shop floor PC for
a repair and find the gunk inside.
-Todd C.

_____

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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
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Of zjumper
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases

I wish I new because we have about 12 machines on the floor and they are
in
horrible condition. None of the CD/DVD drives work on the older ones and
they are only 2/3 years old (on the floor about 1.5 years)...

On 5/22/07, Bruce Butler <bbutler@...
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com> > wrote:
>
> I am looking for a recommendation for protecting a shop floor pc from
> the oily environment. Any recommendations?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
<http://www.knappe-koester.com> >
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
>
> The information in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and
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We are running thin clients for this purpose. The problem is the particular
PC I am referring to has an expensive to replace ISA card in it for
communicating to the machines.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases



This is exactly the reason I am considering TS and thin clients (with no
fans) for the shop when we migrate to 8.x and the Celeron 500Mhz systems
won't suffice. I shudder every time I have to open a shop floor PC for
a repair and find the gunk inside.
-Todd C.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of zjumper
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases

I wish I new because we have about 12 machines on the floor and they are
in
horrible condition. None of the CD/DVD drives work on the older ones and
they are only 2/3 years old (on the floor about 1.5 years)...

On 5/22/07, Bruce Butler <bbutler@...
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com> > wrote:
>
> I am looking for a recommendation for protecting a shop floor pc from
> the oily environment. Any recommendations?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
<http://www.knappe-koester.com> >
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
>
> The information in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and
> is intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. This
> message should not be forwarded without permission from the author. If
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> We are running thin clients for this purpose. The problem is the particular
> PC I am referring to has an expensive to replace ISA card in it for
> communicating to the machines.

Is it like a Comtrol multiple serial card? How many machines does it serve
Bruce? For the cost of a new PC, there are ethernet-to-serial devices that you
can put out there:

http://www.comtrol.com/products/catalog.asp?product=dmsh

@ $740/8 Ports and @$1080 for 16 Ports

Mark W.
I use a product from a company called Dirt Bag, Inc. It is a bag
filter that encases a pc and protects it from our dirty
manufacturing environment. I use them around all of our MES pc's on
the shop floor and they last for quite awhile. They can be found on
the web at www.dirtbag.biz

Mike Haynes
IT Manager
SAS Global Corp



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Butler" <bbutler@...> wrote:
>
> I am looking for a recommendation for protecting a shop floor pc
from
> the oily environment. Any recommendations?
>
>
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com>
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@...
>
>
>
> The information in this message is proprietary and/or confidential
and
> is intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. This
> message should not be forwarded without permission from the
author. If
> this message is received in error or otherwise by someone other
than the
> addressee, please contact the author at the above number and
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agrees to
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(ITAR) and
> Export Administration Regulations (EAR). The recipient agrees to
abide
> by these laws and their regulations not only for export and re-
export,
> but for disclosure to non-U.S. citizens.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
That is exactly what it is. It is an older card that works. We are
using Ethernet to serial for a subset of machines. The Comtroller is
servicing 16 machines. It would require a lot of re-cabling as well as
the cost of a replacement unit. I would rather keep this going since it
works.



Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases



> We are running thin clients for this purpose. The problem is the
particular
> PC I am referring to has an expensive to replace ISA card in it for
> communicating to the machines.

Is it like a Comtrol multiple serial card? How many machines does it
serve
Bruce? For the cost of a new PC, there are ethernet-to-serial devices
that you
can put out there:

http://www.comtrol.com/products/catalog.asp?product=dmsh
<http://www.comtrol.com/products/catalog.asp?product=dmsh>

@ $740/8 Ports and @$1080 for 16 Ports

Mark W.





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We recommend thin clients for the shop floor environment for this reason
as well as it will cut down on the number of maintenance hours as well,
and seeing that everything happens from the server anyway, you have the
option of securing it down much better.



For protecting your keyboard, check this website out:



http://www.prokeyco.com/



Also, you can do a search on google for computer protective covers.

Thanks,



Jason Claggett

Microsoft Small Business Specialist

MCP #3856159

2W Technologies, LLC

317.578.2393

jason@...

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases



This is exactly the reason I am considering TS and thin clients (with no
fans) for the shop when we migrate to 8.x and the Celeron 500Mhz systems
won't suffice. I shudder every time I have to open a shop floor PC for
a repair and find the gunk inside.
-Todd C.

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of zjumper
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] [OT] Computer cases

I wish I new because we have about 12 machines on the floor and they are
in
horrible condition. None of the CD/DVD drives work on the older ones and
they are only 2/3 years old (on the floor about 1.5 years)...

On 5/22/07, Bruce Butler <bbutler@...
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com> > wrote:
>
> I am looking for a recommendation for protecting a shop floor pc from
> the oily environment. Any recommendations?
>
> Bruce Butler, IT Manager
>
> Knappe & Koester, Inc. <http://www.knappe-koester.com
<http://www.knappe-koester.com> >
>
> 18 Bradco Street
>
> Keene, NH
>
> p. 603-355-1166
>
> f. 603-355-2266
>
> bbutler@... <mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<mailto:bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
<bbutler%40knappe-koester.com>
>
> The information in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and
> is intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. This
> message should not be forwarded without permission from the author. If
> this message is received in error or otherwise by someone other than
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> addressee, please contact the author at the above number and return
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> Equipment under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR)
and
> Export Administration Regulations (EAR). The recipient agrees to abide
> by these laws and their regulations not only for export and re-export,
> but for disclosure to non-U.S. citizens.
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zjumper wrote:
> On 5/22/07, Bruce Butler <bbutler@...> wrote:
>> I am looking for a recommendation for protecting a shop floor pc from
>> the oily environment. Any recommendations?

For a DIY solution (best for PCs not already full of shop gack), you can re-do the case fan(s) so they run positive pressure.

The normal case design that exhausts the enclosure is really stupid. By sucking air out, fresh air and dirt comes in via any route it can find (like your CD drawer). If you pressurize the case, if comes in at the fan ONLY, and you can install a filter there. I used to do this when recycling old office PCs for shop use. Newer PCs put out so much more heat, I can't say for sure if you could do this without burning something up.

You could also build an enclosure with pressurized ventilation to go around the whole PC, but I know there are companies out there selling them pre-built... just have to google some more.

-Wayne