OT: Dell Dimension vs Optiplex

To further support what Wayne is saying about CPU, below is a direct
quote from my Dell Rep. My original config specified 3.7 GHz Dual Core
processors.

"Todd, I made a couple of minor changes to the Processor and RAM,
getting you the Woodcrest 3.0 GHz process (Power savings and a 50%
performance increase) and 667MHz Ram. This would be my only recommended
changes."

The rep recommends a 3.0GHz processor that uses less power and a 50%
performance gain.

Todd


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Wayne
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] OT: Dell Dimension vs Optiplex



Mitchell Kirby wrote:
> I manage about 25 computers (ten in the shop and 15 in the office). I
buy
> from Dell and let them handle the maintenance. We don't have a
dedicated IT
> person. We are on 6.1 and considering 8.0 by the end of 2007 or early
2008.
> I have always purchased Dimension systems. Any reason to consider
Optiplex
> instead?

The Dimension is their home / personal series. They tend towards
"latest and greatest" with lots of fluff B.S. software and accessories
that customers who may also be comparison shopping at Best Buy are
believed to want. It you buy one today and the same model in a month,
they may have completely different hardware, chipsets, etc.

The Optiplex is for business customers. Pleasantly free of unwanted
garbage software and accessories, usually with the "Pro" version of the
OS, faster networking (gigabit), remote management features. You can
buy one in ten months down the road that is identical, and burn today's
system image onto it.

> A 2.8GHz cpu with 1.0 GB of memory seems ok from the specs I saw. Any
of

The CPU speeds today are very misleading. Also consider Dell was
selling P4 2.4 - 2.8 cpus clear back in Jan 2003 when I last bought one.

The P4 is really a lousy processor that needs very high clock speeds
to compete with Pentium 3s or AMD chips. The new Intel "Core" chips are
a completely different architecture (yeah! finally!!) that will blow
away a P4 at only 70% or less of the clock speed. Better yet, just find
someone selling decent AMD systems (wish Dell would!)

You can try sites like TomsHardware.com or Anadtech.com for CPU
benchmarks to try to make reasonable comparisons. To give you an idea,
out of 5 desktops in our office, two are personally-built systems with
AMD XP1700+ processors clocked at 1533MHz. They are up to 30% quicker
than the three Optiplex GX260s with P4 2400MHz processors. The fastest
here in pure crunch speed (though hampered by slow disk) is a Dell
notebook with a Pentium "M" 1400MHz. I think the new Intel "Core" CPUS
are derived from the "M" series.

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three, Inc. -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338 or 866-550-2323 www.xxiii.com





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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I manage about 25 computers (ten in the shop and 15 in the office). I buy
from Dell and let them handle the maintenance. We don't have a dedicated IT
person. We are on 6.1 and considering 8.0 by the end of 2007 or early 2008.
I have always purchased Dimension systems. Any reason to consider Optiplex
instead?



A 2.8GHz cpu with 1.0 GB of memory seems ok from the specs I saw. Any of
you 8.0 users care to comment on the real world requirements?



Sincerely,



Mitchell Kirby

Riten Industries, Inc.

<http://www.riten.com/> www.riten.com



740-333-8719 Direct

800-338-0027 Sales

800-338-0717 FAX





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I've always purchased Dimensions also. When I spoke to a sales rep from
Dell he told me that the Optiplex was the recommended system for a
network.

He said that Dimensions are not fit for a network (even though they are
advertised as such on dell.com).

Also, the hardware in a Dimension will change quite frequently and an
Optiplex tends to keep hardware changes to a minimum. This can be
important if you want to use disk imaging to plan for recovery of a PC.
A group of Optiplexs will most likely only require one image to manage
where the Dimension will most likely require multiple images.



Personally...I haven't made up my mind yet...



Thanks,

Joe Rojas

IT Manager

TNCO, Inc.

781-447-6661 x7506

jrojas@...



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mitchell Kirby
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Dell Dimension vs Optiplex



I manage about 25 computers (ten in the shop and 15 in the office). I
buy
from Dell and let them handle the maintenance. We don't have a dedicated
IT
person. We are on 6.1 and considering 8.0 by the end of 2007 or early
2008.
I have always purchased Dimension systems. Any reason to consider
Optiplex
instead?

A 2.8GHz cpu with 1.0 GB of memory seems ok from the specs I saw. Any of
you 8.0 users care to comment on the real world requirements?

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby

Riten Industries, Inc.

<http://www.riten.com/ <http://www.riten.com/> > www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct

800-338-0027 Sales

800-338-0717 FAX

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mitchell Kirby wrote:
> I manage about 25 computers (ten in the shop and 15 in the office). I buy
> from Dell and let them handle the maintenance. We don't have a dedicated IT
> person. We are on 6.1 and considering 8.0 by the end of 2007 or early 2008.
> I have always purchased Dimension systems. Any reason to consider Optiplex
> instead?

The Dimension is their home / personal series. They tend towards
"latest and greatest" with lots of fluff B.S. software and accessories
that customers who may also be comparison shopping at Best Buy are
believed to want. It you buy one today and the same model in a month,
they may have completely different hardware, chipsets, etc.

The Optiplex is for business customers. Pleasantly free of unwanted
garbage software and accessories, usually with the "Pro" version of the
OS, faster networking (gigabit), remote management features. You can
buy one in ten months down the road that is identical, and burn today's
system image onto it.

> A 2.8GHz cpu with 1.0 GB of memory seems ok from the specs I saw. Any of

The CPU speeds today are very misleading. Also consider Dell was
selling P4 2.4 - 2.8 cpus clear back in Jan 2003 when I last bought one.
The P4 is really a lousy processor that needs very high clock speeds
to compete with Pentium 3s or AMD chips. The new Intel "Core" chips are
a completely different architecture (yeah! finally!!) that will blow
away a P4 at only 70% or less of the clock speed. Better yet, just find
someone selling decent AMD systems (wish Dell would!)

You can try sites like TomsHardware.com or Anadtech.com for CPU
benchmarks to try to make reasonable comparisons. To give you an idea,
out of 5 desktops in our office, two are personally-built systems with
AMD XP1700+ processors clocked at 1533MHz. They are up to 30% quicker
than the three Optiplex GX260s with P4 2400MHz processors. The fastest
here in pure crunch speed (though hampered by slow disk) is a Dell
notebook with a Pentium "M" 1400MHz. I think the new Intel "Core" CPUS
are derived from the "M" series.

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three, Inc. -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338 or 866-550-2323 www.xxiii.com