OT: Education issues

James,

I think it also depends on how large your company is, and where they put their priorities.

The company I work for, as a whole, does not pay for any educational improvement (except for a few training classes here and there). When Windows 2000 server first came out I begged management to train me because we were going to get a new server and it had W2K on it. They turned me down. I was told that I was on my own. On the other hand, someone else in a different department said that they were going back to school and the company offered to assist in his schooling.

I have noticed that in quite a few manufacturing companies (especially small ones) they don't reimburse for schooling. In my case I think that they saw me wanting to be trained as a possibility that I would get another job. But, as a wise woman once told me, "IT people are a luxury for small companies and small manufacturing businesses". So, I would imagine that the company I work for saw it as a threat when I asked them for training. These type of companies also usually don't have the money to put into training IT people because training for us is needed yearly to keep up with technology. So, don't get down about your company not paying for your education. Just try the best you can and know that you're only bettering yourself in the long run.

~Wendy
----- Original Message -----
From: James Piper
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:19 PM
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Education issues


Can I go way off topic here, feeling a little down about my situation
and I wanted to see where you guys are at
I have gotten myself into a little bit of a pickle
How does your company handle additional educational training?
I am enrolled in a online program to get my bachelors degree and to make
a long story short I went from the company paying 100% tuition
reimbursement to something
almost at the other end of the spectrum.
I was curious if this is the norm in manufacturing?
This is my first Manufacturing company that I have worked for and
company policies are very vague when it comes to matter such as this
My situation seems to be changing on a daily basis.
Please feel free to contact me off list about this at admin@...
Does your company offer tuition reimbursement and how far does it go
I am not looking to get my bachelors degree so I can "leave the company"
but want to improve my skills and marketability if I ever get in the
unemployment realm again.

Thanks a lot
James Piper - Systems Administrator
MECO, Inc
2121 S. Main St
Paris, IL 61944
(217) 465-7575 ext 201
Fax (217) 465-5230
Email: <mailto:admin@...> admin@...

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Can I go way off topic here, feeling a little down about my situation
and I wanted to see where you guys are at
I have gotten myself into a little bit of a pickle
How does your company handle additional educational training?
I am enrolled in a online program to get my bachelors degree and to make
a long story short I went from the company paying 100% tuition
reimbursement to something
almost at the other end of the spectrum.
I was curious if this is the norm in manufacturing?
This is my first Manufacturing company that I have worked for and
company policies are very vague when it comes to matter such as this
My situation seems to be changing on a daily basis.
Please feel free to contact me off list about this at admin@...
Does your company offer tuition reimbursement and how far does it go
I am not looking to get my bachelors degree so I can "leave the company"
but want to improve my skills and marketability if I ever get in the
unemployment realm again.

Thanks a lot
James Piper - Systems Administrator
MECO, Inc
2121 S. Main St
Paris, IL 61944
(217) 465-7575 ext 201
Fax (217) 465-5230
Email: <mailto:admin@...> admin@...



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My company pays 80% reimbursement for a 'pre-approved' course taken at an
accredited school as long as a grade of "c" or better is earned
undergraduate ("B" or better graduate). There is a maximum payout of $3500
per year for undergraduate course and $5000 per year graduate. I've never
seen a course not get approved. They pay 100% for company recommended or
required courses.



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Ours is the exact same as Sarah's

-----Original Message-----
From: sarah.vareschi@... [mailto:sarah.vareschi@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Education issues


My company pays 80% reimbursement for a 'pre-approved' course taken at an
accredited school as long as a grade of "c" or better is earned
undergraduate ("B" or better graduate). There is a maximum payout of $3500
per year for undergraduate course and $5000 per year graduate. I've never
seen a course not get approved. They pay 100% for company recommended or
required courses.



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I would not mind seeing the feedback "on-list". My experience at a variety of manufacturing places has been all across the board. Most often it is something like "100% paid on a case by case basis as required for specific job duties". So a networking admin class might be OK but a general requirement class like Modern Literature would not. Then there is always the budget crunch issue where all expenses are get throttled and education goes out the window. I've also noticed changes in policies due to changes in tax treatment of employee training and whether company can expense it or has to charge it as a taxable benefit to the employee.

Look on the bright side, you probably have tuition just for you. I've got 3 kids in college at the moment!

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Piper [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:19 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Education issues


Can I go way off topic here, feeling a little down about my situation
and I wanted to see where you guys are at
I have gotten myself into a little bit of a pickle
How does your company handle additional educational training?
I am enrolled in a online program to get my bachelors degree and to make
a long story short I went from the company paying 100% tuition
reimbursement to something
almost at the other end of the spectrum.
I was curious if this is the norm in manufacturing?
This is my first Manufacturing company that I have worked for and
company policies are very vague when it comes to matter such as this
My situation seems to be changing on a daily basis.
Please feel free to contact me off list about this at admin@...
Does your company offer tuition reimbursement and how far does it go
I am not looking to get my bachelors degree so I can "leave the company"
but want to improve my skills and marketability if I ever get in the
unemployment realm again.

Thanks a lot
James Piper - Systems Administrator
MECO, Inc
2121 S. Main St
Paris, IL 61944
(217) 465-7575 ext 201
Fax (217) 465-5230
Email: <mailto:admin@...> admin@...



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Our company doesn't believe in training or education. You are on your
own when it comes to that. You aren't even permitted flexibility in
hours to participate in any sort of training program.

Shirley





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Shirley,

And I thought we were the only company that believed in osmosis as a
training program ...

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:32 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Education issues


Our company doesn't believe in training or education. You are on your
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hours to participate in any sort of training program.

Shirley





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At 11:19 AM 6/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>How does your company handle additional educational training?
>I am enrolled in a online program to get my bachelors degree and to make a
>long story short I went from the company paying 100% tuition reimbursement
>to something almost at the other end of the spectrum.

At my previous job (when I was last employed directly in the mfg biz) they
had a lot of restrictions:
* It had to be related to your profession or trade [they wouldn't pay for
me to take welding :( ]
* Had to be pre-approved by your supervisor or higher up.
* Was on a sliding scale of 100% for "A"s, down to no reimbursement for Ds
or Fs.
* Some annual cap per employee, dept, and company-wide

I know they shot down a couple requests, like a sales guy that had a BSME
and wanted to get his MBA ("we can give you comparable training in house
via our executive team" haha, right!) and some other guys that were far
enough up the ladder that they could only advance to another company.


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



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They consider it unnecessary employee enrichment.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:39 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Education issues

Shirley,

And I thought we were the only company that believed in osmosis as a
training program ...

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:32 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Education issues


Our company doesn't believe in training or education. You are on your
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hours to participate in any sort of training program.

Shirley





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I must admit I am fortunate. My previous firm was the same as Sara, 80% for
pre-approved with me paying up front and getting reimbursed, provided I
passed with a mark of C or better. My current employer is a firm believer
in Employee development, and as a result I receive 100% coverage up front. I
am finishing my bachelor's degree and this makes it extremely easy to
pursue. A $1,000 a credit doesn't come easy to me.

Bob Goss
BC Instruments

-----Original Message-----
From: James Piper [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Education issues

Can I go way off topic here, feeling a little down about my situation
and I wanted to see where you guys are at
I have gotten myself into a little bit of a pickle
How does your company handle additional educational training?
I am enrolled in a online program to get my bachelors degree and to make
a long story short I went from the company paying 100% tuition
reimbursement to something
almost at the other end of the spectrum.
I was curious if this is the norm in manufacturing?
This is my first Manufacturing company that I have worked for and
company policies are very vague when it comes to matter such as this
My situation seems to be changing on a daily basis.
Please feel free to contact me off list about this at admin@...
Does your company offer tuition reimbursement and how far does it go
I am not looking to get my bachelors degree so I can "leave the company"
but want to improve my skills and marketability if I ever get in the
unemployment realm again.

Thanks a lot
James Piper - Systems Administrator
MECO, Inc
2121 S. Main St
Paris, IL 61944
(217) 465-7575 ext 201
Fax (217) 465-5230
Email: <mailto:admin@...> admin@...



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Our company is pretty generous. We pay on a scale where A gets 100%, B gets
90%, C gets 80%. D and below get nothing. Any class is approved, no matter
what the subject is, or what level. There is no cap on pay out, max 2
classes per semester.

We are also member of a few MFG associations and trade associations. Your
company might also be a member of one of those. Usually, if it is related
to the industry, these groups will have a continuing education program as
well. You might want to check into that route as a back up.

Our company also pays if you have gotten reimbursed for the same course by a
third party.

Business related seminars and conferences are paid 100%, but within reason.
They had no problem funding my MCSE boot camp, which was about $2500.

As a side note; even with a policy this generous, I have a hard time finding
other employees who have taken advantage of it.


HTH,

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: James Piper [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Education issues

Can I go way off topic here, feeling a little down about my situation
and I wanted to see where you guys are at
I have gotten myself into a little bit of a pickle
How does your company handle additional educational training?
I am enrolled in a online program to get my bachelors degree and to make
a long story short I went from the company paying 100% tuition
reimbursement to something
almost at the other end of the spectrum.
I was curious if this is the norm in manufacturing?
This is my first Manufacturing company that I have worked for and
company policies are very vague when it comes to matter such as this
My situation seems to be changing on a daily basis.
Please feel free to contact me off list about this at admin@...
Does your company offer tuition reimbursement and how far does it go
I am not looking to get my bachelors degree so I can "leave the company"
but want to improve my skills and marketability if I ever get in the
unemployment realm again.

Thanks a lot
James Piper - Systems Administrator
MECO, Inc
2121 S. Main St
Paris, IL 61944
(217) 465-7575 ext 201
Fax (217) 465-5230
Email: <mailto:admin@...> admin@...



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