OT: Employees Staying On-Task vs. Internet Abuse

Yep, already use it, but not for everything.

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix / Picometrix
    bspolarich@... ~ 734-864-5618 ~ www.advancedphotonix.com


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Employees Staying On-Task vs. Internet Abuse

Brian -

Check out OpenDNS.com - it doesn't report on a per-user basis, but you
can remove the temptation in the first place, and that might solve the
problem.

Oh - and it's free.

--A

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out




I've had the same kind of issues with supervisors asking me if I can
tell them "what web sites so-and-so was looking at and when" because
we've had some problems with employees not staying on task.

While there are IT-based things one can do to address this situation
(and I'm taking steps to assert more control in that area), the larger
problem is "why do we have an employee who can't stay on task without
babysitting". It's a management problem, not a technology one.

Some of those folks no longer work here. :-)

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotonix.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of robertb_versa@... <mailto:robertb_versa%40yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

Joe is dead on target. Its a managment/policy enforcement issue (not
computer based magic bullet issue).
Write a report supervisors MUST use daily to check who has NOT clocked
out - and have consequences for repeat offendors.
Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Joe Rojas" <jrojas@... <mailto:jrojas%40matsinc.com> >
Sent:Fri 5/21/10 8:35 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
work in the past.

I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
effectively in this situation.

For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
software.

Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
(or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).

Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
suspension.

We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
bad punch.

Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
and it seem to be effective.

I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
it works well.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken

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I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use? Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
work in the past.



I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
effectively in this situation.

For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
software.

Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
(or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).

Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
suspension.



We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
bad punch.

Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
and it seem to be effective.



I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
it works well.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out





I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I have to agree with Joe. I was responsible for 140 employees at one
time. I put the responsibility on 2 people, the employee and the
supervisor. The supervisor had the responsibility of checking the shop
tracker at the end of the shift to verify that all of their employees
were clocked out and if not to get it done. It was their responsibility
to work with the employee to get the time fixed and to council the
employee on the importance of getting the job done. Letting employees
know that production is not the only part of their job that they have to
pay attention to is a big deal.



I remember the old bathroom joke, "the jobs not done till the paperwork
is finished."



Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out





I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
work in the past.

I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
effectively in this situation.

For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
software.

Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
(or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).

Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
suspension.

We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
bad punch.

Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
and it seem to be effective.

I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
it works well.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Joe is dead on target. Its a managment/policy enforcement issue (not computer based magic bullet issue).
Write a report supervisors MUST use daily to check who has NOT clocked out - and have consequences for repeat offendors.
Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Joe Rojas" <jrojas@...>
Sent:Fri 5/21/10 8:35 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
work in the past.



I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
effectively in this situation.

For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
software.

Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
(or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).

Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
suspension.



We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
bad punch.

Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
and it seem to be effective.



I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
it works well.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out





I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I've had the same kind of issues with supervisors asking me if I can tell them "what web sites so-and-so was looking at and when" because we've had some problems with employees not staying on task.

While there are IT-based things one can do to address this situation (and I'm taking steps to assert more control in that area), the larger problem is "why do we have an employee who can't stay on task without babysitting". It's a management problem, not a technology one.

Some of those folks no longer work here. :-)

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix / Picometrix
    bspolarich@... ~ 734-864-5618 ~ www.advancedphotonix.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of robertb_versa@...
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

Joe is dead on target. Its a managment/policy enforcement issue (not computer based magic bullet issue).
Write a report supervisors MUST use daily to check who has NOT clocked out - and have consequences for repeat offendors.
Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Joe Rojas" <jrojas@...>
Sent:Fri 5/21/10 8:35 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
work in the past.



I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
effectively in this situation.

For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
software.

Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
(or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).

Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
suspension.



We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
bad punch.

Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
and it seem to be effective.



I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
it works well.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out





I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
I agree with you guys, but to Ken's credit.... You can have the best of both worlds! You can enforce your Management Policy as tough as you want from a report (the fault is there and you don't have to wait for the impact on your operation) and still, have an automatic process (if available) to avoid operational/financial issues.... Isn't that the ultimate goal?

Regards.

Roel Martinez
ERP Analyst

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www.sabretubularstructures.com<http://www.sabretubularstructures.com/>
8653 E. Hwy 67 | Alvarado, TX 76009
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of robertb_versa@...
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out



Joe is dead on target. Its a managment/policy enforcement issue (not computer based magic bullet issue).
Write a report supervisors MUST use daily to check who has NOT clocked out - and have consequences for repeat offendors.
Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Joe Rojas" <jrojas@...<mailto:jrojas%40matsinc.com>>
Sent:Fri 5/21/10 8:35 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
work in the past.

I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
effectively in this situation.

For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
software.

Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
(or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).

Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
suspension.

We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
bad punch.

Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
and it seem to be effective.

I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
it works well.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Boy, lots of animosity this morning :).

To Roel's point (and to everyone else's really), we're just trying to have the best of both worlds. We do review labor daily, supervisors are in the loop, etc....we're just trying to help on operational/financial issues side.

I still thought someone had done this in the past. My good friend at Nexus Software has contacted me with a potential solution he can likely develop, so I suppose I'll venture that route.

Thanks for the feedback, I forwarded it on to the HR department as reminders of the importance of supervisor level reinforcement. I'm sure they're aware but a simple forward is easy enough.

Ken

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roel Martinez
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:01 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out - Bayesian Filter detected spam



I agree with you guys, but to Ken's credit.... You can have the best of both worlds! You can enforce your Management Policy as tough as you want from a report (the fault is there and you don't have to wait for the impact on your operation) and still, have an automatic process (if available) to avoid operational/financial issues.... Isn't that the ultimate goal?

Regards.

Roel Martinez
ERP Analyst

SABRE TUBULAR STRUCTURES (tm)
www.sabretubularstructures.com<http://www.sabretubularstructures.com/>
8653 E. Hwy 67 | Alvarado, TX 76009
Phone: 817-852-1700 ext. 11858 | Direct Line: 817-852-1858 |Fax: 817-852-1705

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of robertb_versa@...<mailto:robertb_versa%40yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

Joe is dead on target. Its a managment/policy enforcement issue (not computer based magic bullet issue).
Write a report supervisors MUST use daily to check who has NOT clocked out - and have consequences for repeat offendors.
Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Joe Rojas" <jrojas@...<mailto:jrojas%40matsinc.com><mailto:jrojas%40matsinc.com>>
Sent:Fri 5/21/10 8:35 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
work in the past.

I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
effectively in this situation.

For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
software.

Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
(or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).

Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
suspension.

We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
bad punch.

Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
and it seem to be effective.

I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
it works well.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Again, the simplest way to do it is to have the last person out, check
the shop tracker for who's here and clock them out. But write down the
names because whether it is automatic or manual, you will still have to
adjust the time card and you should do the discipline.



Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out - Bayesian Filter detected spam





Boy, lots of animosity this morning :).

To Roel's point (and to everyone else's really), we're just trying to
have the best of both worlds. We do review labor daily, supervisors are
in the loop, etc....we're just trying to help on operational/financial
issues side.

I still thought someone had done this in the past. My good friend at
Nexus Software has contacted me with a potential solution he can likely
develop, so I suppose I'll venture that route.

Thanks for the feedback, I forwarded it on to the HR department as
reminders of the importance of supervisor level reinforcement. I'm sure
they're aware but a simple forward is easy enough.

Ken

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Roel Martinez
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:01 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out - Bayesian Filter detected spam

I agree with you guys, but to Ken's credit.... You can have the best of
both worlds! You can enforce your Management Policy as tough as you want
from a report (the fault is there and you don't have to wait for the
impact on your operation) and still, have an automatic process (if
available) to avoid operational/financial issues.... Isn't that the
ultimate goal?

Regards.

Roel Martinez
ERP Analyst

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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On Behalf Of robertb_versa@... <mailto:robertb_versa%40yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

Joe is dead on target. Its a managment/policy enforcement issue (not
computer based magic bullet issue).
Write a report supervisors MUST use daily to check who has NOT clocked
out - and have consequences for repeat offendors.
Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Joe Rojas" <jrojas@... <mailto:jrojas%40matsinc.com>
<mailto:jrojas%40matsinc.com><mailto:jrojas%40matsinc.com>>
Sent:Fri 5/21/10 8:35 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
work in the past.

I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
effectively in this situation.

For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
software.

Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
(or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).

Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
suspension.

We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
bad punch.

Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
and it seem to be effective.

I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
it works well.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken

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Hi Joe,

Your comment about negative reinforcement reminded me of my own experience many moons ago. I'm not sure if many companies do this, but it seemed like a great idea at the time.

We were paid an hourly wage of $X. We were told that if we clocked in and out within 6 minutes + or - of our start and end times, that we would be paid an "incentive" of $X + 5% (or some percentage, I can't remember for sure how much). The percentage was enough to make a difference - and to make one conscientious to clock in and out on time.

I can't remember if it was just enforced for the day - or enforced for a week, but as an hourly worker, you were certainly aware of those times when you only got $X. I'm not sure how it affects Accounting and Payroll - but this company must have felt that it was worth the cost of administration (I would guess that they assumed that the wage was actually $X + the percentage for budgeting purposes).

Whether positive or negative reinforcement, I suppose that it comes down to "whatever works".

Laraine




--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Joe Rojas <jrojas@...> wrote:
>
> I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
> work in the past.
>
>
>
> I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
> effectively in this situation.
>
> For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
> accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
> our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
> software.
>
> Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
> getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
> (or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).
>
> Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
> reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
> disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
> suspension.
>
>
>
> We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
> consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
> bad punch.
>
> Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
> and it seem to be effective.
>
>
>
> I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
> it works well.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ken Williams
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out
>
>
>
>
>
> I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
> sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.
>
> I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
> there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
> Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
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>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Brian -

Check out OpenDNS.com - it doesn't report on a per-user basis, but you
can remove the temptation in the first place, and that might solve the
problem.

Oh - and it's free.

--A

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out




I've had the same kind of issues with supervisors asking me if I can
tell them "what web sites so-and-so was looking at and when" because
we've had some problems with employees not staying on task.

While there are IT-based things one can do to address this situation
(and I'm taking steps to assert more control in that area), the larger
problem is "why do we have an employee who can't stay on task without
babysitting". It's a management problem, not a technology one.

Some of those folks no longer work here. :-)

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotonix.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of robertb_versa@... <mailto:robertb_versa%40yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

Joe is dead on target. Its a managment/policy enforcement issue (not
computer based magic bullet issue).
Write a report supervisors MUST use daily to check who has NOT clocked
out - and have consequences for repeat offendors.
Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Joe Rojas" <jrojas@... <mailto:jrojas%40matsinc.com> >
Sent:Fri 5/21/10 8:35 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I don't have an automated approach to this but I can share what I've see
work in the past.

I am not a fan of negative reinforcement but I have seen it work
effectively in this situation.

For us, it was very important that people clocked in an out of MES very
accurately because their activity was being pulled as punches over to
our time and attendance software which ultimately feed our payroll
software.

Failure to not punch in an out on time could result in an employee not
getting their paycheck in discrepancies could not be resolved in time
(or short pay. They did get the month in the next check once resolved).

Additionally supervisors shared the responsibility of their direct
reports punching in an out accurately and the supervisors had a
disciplinary path that they could take, which could lead up to
suspension.

We started this policy with companywide training and explained the
consequences of not punching in accurately and what to do if you had a
bad punch.

Honestly, we had very few instances where someone was getting written up
and it seem to be effective.

I don't know if you have the payroll link we did to help enforce it but
it works well.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Ken Williams
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Clock Out

I seem to recall many years ago someone posting perhaps a BPM or some
sort of code that would auto clock everyone out at midnight.

I've searched the archives and I'm not finding anything. Does anyone out
there know what I'm talking about? Have the tools that we could use?
Have other suggestions for getting people clocked out daily?

Thanks,
Ken

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