OT - Move from NT to W2003 server

Here is the link to the documentation for the upgrade:

http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/8f492d26-379b-4743-a2
0a-5c5467108e491033.mspx

You can upgrade from NT 4 to Windows 2003 directly. After the upgrade all
you have to do is to raise the functional level of the domain from Windows
2000 mixed mode to Windows 2003 native. It doesn't require an interim
system or the installation of Windows server 2000.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
maurojm
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT - Move from NT to W2003 server

Lydia,

When naming your domain, you do not want your internal domain name to end
with .com, .net, etc. You should name it .int or .local (microsoft has docs
on this). As I recall there is no direct upgrade from NT4.0 to Win2003.
You must step to Win2000 first.

You should get a disposable machine to use as your upgrade path (even if it
is a desktop running server software). You will use it as a stepping stone.
Load NT4 on it, sycn the domain, upgrade the temp server to Win 2000, then
to Win2003. Load a new server with Win2003 and transfer FSMO and PDC
emulator roles. That way you can have a clean new server.

The new domain name is not a big deal. Once you configure AD it will handle
the conversion, and your desktops (except for Win98) will still log in to
the domain as usual.

There are a lot of steps to get there, but it isnt that bad. Read up on the
roles of the server and how to transfer them.

Good luck
Hi, all hardware/network specialists:

I just found out that for Christmas vacation this year, I get to change our
network from NT 4 to Windows 2003!

Currently, Vantage 6.1 is running on a W2003 server (a member server on our
NT4 net), another W2003 server is installed and currently only running
Symantec, Spysweeper and such. We want to get Exchange 2003 running on the
second server, so I will have to change my network over -- Exchange needs
Active Directory. Put it off as long as possible, now I have to move! I
have always had a very smoothly running network, even adding the two new
servers went well.

Any advice? We have a hardware/network guy coming in to help, and he is
already talking about adding another domain, or renaming the old domain --
all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting Vantage (and
all those reports,etc)to run correctly again. Is it possible to keep the
same domain name, demote the old PDC, then promote the new server? When I
took a class a few months ago, that seemed to be the general thinking.

Since many of you have already done this -- and you understand the impact to
Vantage of adding domains and changing server names, I have a much higher
level of trust in your advice.

Answer off list if you think that is best.

Thanks in advance,

Lydia
Canyon Engineering Products
lcoffman@...
661-294-0084
I haven't done this myself (yet, but will be soon in Singapore) but I have heard that this is one method to make this happen.

In order to accomplish this, you will need a spare workstation to install NT 4 Server. You will need to install NT4 Server on this machine as a BDC to the existing NT 4 domain, this is only a temporary server. Once this is completed, you will need to transfer the PDC role from the current PDC to the new temporary server and allow the domain to synchronize. Once the domain is synchronized, you will install windows 2003 server in-place on the temporary server. This will automatically run the AD configuration wizard since it is the PDC for the upgrading domain.

The benefit of this is all the user accounts are transferred over w/o a lot of overhead on your part. I believe this is termed "the swing method" of upgrading an NT 4 domain to AD. Definitely get some input from a networking guru before attempting this method! (I must maintain plausible deniability!)

Have fun!

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lydia Coffman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:31 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT - Move from NT to W2003 server


Hi, all hardware/network specialists:

I just found out that for Christmas vacation this year, I get to change our
network from NT 4 to Windows 2003!

Currently, Vantage 6.1 is running on a W2003 server (a member server on our
NT4 net), another W2003 server is installed and currently only running
Symantec, Spysweeper and such. We want to get Exchange 2003 running on the
second server, so I will have to change my network over -- Exchange needs
Active Directory. Put it off as long as possible, now I have to move! I
have always had a very smoothly running network, even adding the two new
servers went well.

Any advice? We have a hardware/network guy coming in to help, and he is
already talking about adding another domain, or renaming the old domain --
all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting Vantage (and
all those reports,etc)to run correctly again. Is it possible to keep the
same domain name, demote the old PDC, then promote the new server? When I
took a class a few months ago, that seemed to be the general thinking.

Since many of you have already done this -- and you understand the impact to
Vantage of adding domains and changing server names, I have a much higher
level of trust in your advice.

Answer off list if you think that is best.

Thanks in advance,

Lydia
Canyon Engineering Products
lcoffman@...
661-294-0084


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I am part way through this exact process but I am doing it stepwise a little at a time. About a year ago we upgraded to Exchange-2000 (from 5.5) on a Windows-2000 Server (licensed for 2003 but installed 2000 for the time being). The Vantage server remained NT 4.0. Then, this past fall, I obtained a new server to dedicate to Exchange-2000 and made the old server our AD domain controller. Later I added one more server to be a dedicated AD Domain controller and replicated the AD to it - running Windows-2003 Server. At the same time we upgraded the NT 4.0 Vantage server to Windows-2000 server. In all of this I hav enot had to change our domain name but because our web site is hosted remotely (same domain name) and our email MX DNS record points to our Exchange server (via firewall) there was some DNS issues that were finally only resolved by setting up DNS on the AD server and pointing all network PCs there for DNS info. Had to make some manual DNS entries for the external web site so people within the domain could access it.

Next step will be to upgrade the Exchange server to Windows-2003 server and go to Exchange-2003 - only factor now is cost for new CALs. The oldest Win2K-Server is a simple printer sharing server and might remain Win2K until replaced. The Vantage server will remain Win2K-Server until it is replaced with a new one for Vantage 8.0.

One gotcha about Windows-2003 Server.....none of the Win98 PCs (we stil ahve some on shop floor) will share printers. Win2K3 refuses to authenticate for them. I finally gave up and ugpraded some Win98 to Win2K and otherwise added some really slick mini-printer servers from Netgear (converts ethernet to parallel). Win2K3 is the death knell for Win98 (which is not supported anymore anyway).

But as far as Vantage is concerned we have not changed anything that affects it at all...domain name or IP address of the server...so there was no impact.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lydia Coffman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:31 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT - Move from NT to W2003 server


Hi, all hardware/network specialists:

I just found out that for Christmas vacation this year, I get to change our
network from NT 4 to Windows 2003!

Currently, Vantage 6.1 is running on a W2003 server (a member server on our
NT4 net), another W2003 server is installed and currently only running
Symantec, Spysweeper and such. We want to get Exchange 2003 running on the
second server, so I will have to change my network over -- Exchange needs
Active Directory. Put it off as long as possible, now I have to move! I
have always had a very smoothly running network, even adding the two new
servers went well.

Any advice? We have a hardware/network guy coming in to help, and he is
already talking about adding another domain, or renaming the old domain --
all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting Vantage (and
all those reports,etc)to run correctly again. Is it possible to keep the
same domain name, demote the old PDC, then promote the new server? When I
took a class a few months ago, that seemed to be the general thinking.

Since many of you have already done this -- and you understand the impact to
Vantage of adding domains and changing server names, I have a much higher
level of trust in your advice.

Answer off list if you think that is best.

Thanks in advance,

Lydia
Canyon Engineering Products
lcoffman@...
661-294-0084


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At 11:30 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
>all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting
>Vantage (and all those reports,etc)

The server restructuring will likely be a PITA.

But there should be any effect on reports. What are you expecting
trouble with?

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three, Inc. -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338
We did this last year but had the benefit of having a new 2003 server to use
as our AD DC. So we didn't "upgrade" our existing domain, but rather
migrated everything to a new domain. We migrated all the user accounts and
groups over and then used the active directory migration tool to get the
computers moved over. The Vantage server went over with the only hitch being
that we lost the ability for the network admin account to end dead Vantage
sessions with promon.

Believe it or not, MS actually has a lot of good documentation on this. Its
worth looking through to decide what method is best for you.

Brian
Lydia,

According to the following from our friends in Redmond:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/library/Serve
rHelp/aa8a4ec6-f6f1-4f43-92a8-207ec4620226.mspx

All that you have to do is to upgrade your NT4 PDC to 2k3 and the AD
installation wizard will create all of the necessary users, groups,
profiles, etc. At that point, your domain will be operating in "Windows
2000 mixed mode" supporting both AD and native NT authentication. Assuming
that you will not require the NT domain authentication going forward, all
you have to do is to raise the domain functional level to 2003 native and
you should be good to go. All in all the NT to 2k3 PDC upgrade is pretty
painless and since your other servers are already 2k3 they will already play
nicely on the new AD domain.

Good luck,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Lydia Coffman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:31 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT - Move from NT to W2003 server

Hi, all hardware/network specialists:

I just found out that for Christmas vacation this year, I get to change our
network from NT 4 to Windows 2003!

Currently, Vantage 6.1 is running on a W2003 server (a member server on our
NT4 net), another W2003 server is installed and currently only running
Symantec, Spysweeper and such. We want to get Exchange 2003 running on the
second server, so I will have to change my network over -- Exchange needs
Active Directory. Put it off as long as possible, now I have to move! I
have always had a very smoothly running network, even adding the two new
servers went well.

Any advice? We have a hardware/network guy coming in to help, and he is
already talking about adding another domain, or renaming the old domain --
all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting Vantage (and
all those reports,etc)to run correctly again. Is it possible to keep the
same domain name, demote the old PDC, then promote the new server? When I
took a class a few months ago, that seemed to be the general thinking.

Since many of you have already done this -- and you understand the impact to
Vantage of adding domains and changing server names, I have a much higher
level of trust in your advice.

Answer off list if you think that is best.

Thanks in advance,

Lydia
Canyon Engineering Products
lcoffman@...
661-294-0084



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
I have done this twice. The first point I should make is that if you
have a website hosted offsite and it has the same name as your NT
domain, it would be wise to setup a new domain witha different name,
(since I was with an international company both times, I simply
added US to the domain name ie...smith.com is now smithUS.com). If
you do not make this change, you will need to point to an outside
DNS server to resolve website requests from your in house clients.
Keep in mind that if you do this, the clients will also use this
server to resolve IP addresses of in house nodes unless they have
entries for them in their hosts file. (If you have a big network,
maintaining hosts files is not desirable)

If you host your website inhouse, I would still use a different
domain name but if you don't you will only have to add host entries
for the website on your primary DNS server (usually the same as your
Primary DC)

Creating a new domain and migrating to it is the safest way to
change the domain name without creating a disjointed namespace. A
disjointed namespace is when the comper name extension does not
match the domain name extension (No big deal for a member server or
computer, A major problem for a DC) If this does happen, Microsoft
has a VB script that will correct the problem.

I personnally would opt for migrating to a new domain, It won't take
that much longer to do.



As for Exchange 2xxx, you are correct it does require AD to run, It
also vies a user account and it's mailbox as one object, therefore
there can only be one mailbox per account. If you have any NT
accounts with more than one mailbox, you must decide which one is
primary to that account and replace the others with DLs with the
primary account mailbox as the member for each. If you forget to do
this exchange will map the first mailbox it finds to the account and
orphan any subsequent mailboxs that share the same account. (note
that this is fixable after the fact but why create more work for
yourself)

Good Luck.

















--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Lydia Coffman <lcoffman@c...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all hardware/network specialists:
>
> I just found out that for Christmas vacation this year, I get to
change our
> network from NT 4 to Windows 2003!
>
> Currently, Vantage 6.1 is running on a W2003 server (a member
server on our
> NT4 net), another W2003 server is installed and currently only
running
> Symantec, Spysweeper and such. We want to get Exchange 2003
running on the
> second server, so I will have to change my network over --
Exchange needs
> Active Directory. Put it off as long as possible, now I have to
move! I
> have always had a very smoothly running network, even adding the
two new
> servers went well.
>
> Any advice? We have a hardware/network guy coming in to help, and
he is
> already talking about adding another domain, or renaming the old
domain --
> all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting
Vantage (and
> all those reports,etc)to run correctly again. Is it possible to
keep the
> same domain name, demote the old PDC, then promote the new
server? When I
> took a class a few months ago, that seemed to be the general
thinking.
>
> Since many of you have already done this -- and you understand the
impact to
> Vantage of adding domains and changing server names, I have a much
higher
> level of trust in your advice.
>
> Answer off list if you think that is best.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lydia
> Canyon Engineering Products
> lcoffman@c...
> 661-294-0084
>
Thanks to you all -- and anyone else who may want to address this issue. I
have a server that is W2K, (currently only the engineering file server--and
they will all be gone the week between Christmas and New Years) so I believe
we may be able to use that as the stepping stone to migrate UP to W2003.
Vantage is already on a W2003 server, so my main worry is the "new domain"
thing.

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:25 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT - Move from NT to W2003 server


We did this last year but had the benefit of having a new 2003 server to use
as our AD DC. So we didn't "upgrade" our existing domain, but rather
migrated everything to a new domain. We migrated all the user accounts and
groups over and then used the active directory migration tool to get the
computers moved over. The Vantage server went over with the only hitch being
that we lost the ability for the network admin account to end dead Vantage
sessions with promon.

Believe it or not, MS actually has a lot of good documentation on this. Its
worth looking through to decide what method is best for you.

Brian




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
Gerard,

All you have to do to resolve the web site is manually add an A record named
"www" to your internal DNS tables that resolves to the IP of your external
web server. Then all internal requests to your web site will be properly
routed.

Best regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gerard Wadman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam [Vantage] Re: OT - Move from NT to W2003 server

I have done this twice. The first point I should make is that if you have a
website hosted offsite and it has the same name as your NT domain, it would
be wise to setup a new domain witha different name, (since I was with an
international company both times, I simply added US to the domain name
ie...smith.com is now smithUS.com). If you do not make this change, you will
need to point to an outside DNS server to resolve website requests from your
in house clients.
Keep in mind that if you do this, the clients will also use this server to
resolve IP addresses of in house nodes unless they have entries for them in
their hosts file. (If you have a big network, maintaining hosts files is not
desirable)

If you host your website inhouse, I would still use a different domain name
but if you don't you will only have to add host entries for the website on
your primary DNS server (usually the same as your Primary DC)

Creating a new domain and migrating to it is the safest way to change the
domain name without creating a disjointed namespace. A disjointed namespace
is when the comper name extension does not match the domain name extension
(No big deal for a member server or computer, A major problem for a DC) If
this does happen, Microsoft has a VB script that will correct the problem.

I personnally would opt for migrating to a new domain, It won't take that
much longer to do.



As for Exchange 2xxx, you are correct it does require AD to run, It
also vies a user account and it's mailbox as one object, therefore
there can only be one mailbox per account. If you have any NT
accounts with more than one mailbox, you must decide which one is
primary to that account and replace the others with DLs with the
primary account mailbox as the member for each. If you forget to do
this exchange will map the first mailbox it finds to the account and
orphan any subsequent mailboxs that share the same account. (note
that this is fixable after the fact but why create more work for
yourself)

Good Luck.

















--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Lydia Coffman <lcoffman@c...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all hardware/network specialists:
>
> I just found out that for Christmas vacation this year, I get to
change our
> network from NT 4 to Windows 2003!
>
> Currently, Vantage 6.1 is running on a W2003 server (a member
server on our
> NT4 net), another W2003 server is installed and currently only
running
> Symantec, Spysweeper and such. We want to get Exchange 2003
running on the
> second server, so I will have to change my network over --
Exchange needs
> Active Directory. Put it off as long as possible, now I have to
move! I
> have always had a very smoothly running network, even adding the
two new
> servers went well.
>
> Any advice? We have a hardware/network guy coming in to help, and
he is
> already talking about adding another domain, or renaming the old
domain --
> all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting
Vantage (and
> all those reports,etc)to run correctly again. Is it possible to
keep the
> same domain name, demote the old PDC, then promote the new
server? When I
> took a class a few months ago, that seemed to be the general
thinking.
>
> Since many of you have already done this -- and you understand the
impact to
> Vantage of adding domains and changing server names, I have a much
higher
> level of trust in your advice.
>
> Answer off list if you think that is best.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lydia
> Canyon Engineering Products
> lcoffman@c...
> 661-294-0084
>








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Thanks for the exchange tips -- this is becoming more clear the more info I
receive.

Our website (hosted offsite) is canyonengineering.com -- our domain name is
not, so that shouldn't present any problems, right?

Network is very small - 50 users.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard Wadman [mailto:gwadman@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT - Move from NT to W2003 server


I have done this twice. The first point I should make is that if you
have a website hosted offsite and it has the same name as your NT
domain, it would be wise to setup a new domain witha different name,
(since I was with an international company both times, I simply
added US to the domain name ie...smith.com is now smithUS.com). If
you do not make this change, you will need to point to an outside
DNS server to resolve website requests from your in house clients.
Keep in mind that if you do this, the clients will also use this
server to resolve IP addresses of in house nodes unless they have
entries for them in their hosts file. (If you have a big network,
maintaining hosts files is not desirable)

If you host your website inhouse, I would still use a different
domain name but if you don't you will only have to add host entries
for the website on your primary DNS server (usually the same as your
Primary DC)

Creating a new domain and migrating to it is the safest way to
change the domain name without creating a disjointed namespace. A
disjointed namespace is when the comper name extension does not
match the domain name extension (No big deal for a member server or
computer, A major problem for a DC) If this does happen, Microsoft
has a VB script that will correct the problem.

I personnally would opt for migrating to a new domain, It won't take
that much longer to do.



As for Exchange 2xxx, you are correct it does require AD to run, It
also vies a user account and it's mailbox as one object, therefore
there can only be one mailbox per account. If you have any NT
accounts with more than one mailbox, you must decide which one is
primary to that account and replace the others with DLs with the
primary account mailbox as the member for each. If you forget to do
this exchange will map the first mailbox it finds to the account and
orphan any subsequent mailboxs that share the same account. (note
that this is fixable after the fact but why create more work for
yourself)

Good Luck.

















--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Lydia Coffman <lcoffman@c...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all hardware/network specialists:
>
> I just found out that for Christmas vacation this year, I get to
change our
> network from NT 4 to Windows 2003!
>
> Currently, Vantage 6.1 is running on a W2003 server (a member
server on our
> NT4 net), another W2003 server is installed and currently only
running
> Symantec, Spysweeper and such. We want to get Exchange 2003
running on the
> second server, so I will have to change my network over --
Exchange needs
> Active Directory. Put it off as long as possible, now I have to
move! I
> have always had a very smoothly running network, even adding the
two new
> servers went well.
>
> Any advice? We have a hardware/network guy coming in to help, and
he is
> already talking about adding another domain, or renaming the old
domain --
> all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting
Vantage (and
> all those reports,etc)to run correctly again. Is it possible to
keep the
> same domain name, demote the old PDC, then promote the new
server? When I
> took a class a few months ago, that seemed to be the general
thinking.
>
> Since many of you have already done this -- and you understand the
impact to
> Vantage of adding domains and changing server names, I have a much
higher
> level of trust in your advice.
>
> Answer off list if you think that is best.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lydia
> Canyon Engineering Products
> lcoffman@c...
> 661-294-0084
>








Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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Exactly what we did. Now all users point to our AD server for DNS and it in turn point outward to ISP DNS address when it can't resolve something. Great thing is if we change ISP or want to use a different DNS server the change is made only on the AD server. Eventually, this coming year I hope, we will pull all the websites (3 under 5 domain names) "inside" (on the firewall DMZ) and host them ourself. Then I can just change the the www record IP address and it will still work to ahve the same domain name.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Barry
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Spam [Vantage] Re: OT - Move from NT to W2003 server


Gerard,

All you have to do to resolve the web site is manually add an A record named
"www" to your internal DNS tables that resolves to the IP of your external
web server. Then all internal requests to your web site will be properly
routed.

Best regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gerard Wadman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam [Vantage] Re: OT - Move from NT to W2003 server

I have done this twice. The first point I should make is that if you have a
website hosted offsite and it has the same name as your NT domain, it would
be wise to setup a new domain witha different name, (since I was with an
international company both times, I simply added US to the domain name
ie...smith.com is now smithUS.com). If you do not make this change, you will
need to point to an outside DNS server to resolve website requests from your
in house clients.
Keep in mind that if you do this, the clients will also use this server to
resolve IP addresses of in house nodes unless they have entries for them in
their hosts file. (If you have a big network, maintaining hosts files is not
desirable)

If you host your website inhouse, I would still use a different domain name
but if you don't you will only have to add host entries for the website on
your primary DNS server (usually the same as your Primary DC)

Creating a new domain and migrating to it is the safest way to change the
domain name without creating a disjointed namespace. A disjointed namespace
is when the comper name extension does not match the domain name extension
(No big deal for a member server or computer, A major problem for a DC) If
this does happen, Microsoft has a VB script that will correct the problem.

I personnally would opt for migrating to a new domain, It won't take that
much longer to do.



As for Exchange 2xxx, you are correct it does require AD to run, It
also vies a user account and it's mailbox as one object, therefore
there can only be one mailbox per account. If you have any NT
accounts with more than one mailbox, you must decide which one is
primary to that account and replace the others with DLs with the
primary account mailbox as the member for each. If you forget to do
this exchange will map the first mailbox it finds to the account and
orphan any subsequent mailboxs that share the same account. (note
that this is fixable after the fact but why create more work for
yourself)

Good Luck.

















--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Lydia Coffman <lcoffman@c...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all hardware/network specialists:
>
> I just found out that for Christmas vacation this year, I get to
change our
> network from NT 4 to Windows 2003!
>
> Currently, Vantage 6.1 is running on a W2003 server (a member
server on our
> NT4 net), another W2003 server is installed and currently only
running
> Symantec, Spysweeper and such. We want to get Exchange 2003
running on the
> second server, so I will have to change my network over --
Exchange needs
> Active Directory. Put it off as long as possible, now I have to
move! I
> have always had a very smoothly running network, even adding the
two new
> servers went well.
>
> Any advice? We have a hardware/network guy coming in to help, and
he is
> already talking about adding another domain, or renaming the old
domain --
> all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting
Vantage (and
> all those reports,etc)to run correctly again. Is it possible to
keep the
> same domain name, demote the old PDC, then promote the new
server? When I
> took a class a few months ago, that seemed to be the general
thinking.
>
> Since many of you have already done this -- and you understand the
impact to
> Vantage of adding domains and changing server names, I have a much
higher
> level of trust in your advice.
>
> Answer off list if you think that is best.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lydia
> Canyon Engineering Products
> lcoffman@c...
> 661-294-0084
>








Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









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... commonly called "split brain" DNS. I do that presently at my
company for many IP addresses (websites, VPN, etc.) that have one set of
IP addresses pointing to an IP address internally (DNS server
internally), and the same name pointing to a different IP address for
external access (DNS hosted by AT&T). This way, you can keep your
domain name the same internally and externally, but you should use DHCP
configuration for IP addresses for machines that go inside and outside
your LAN as it is cumbersome for fixed DNS settings.



Some prefer to choose a non-routable domain name using a different
suffix (e.g. domainname.local vs domainname.com)



Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

_____

From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Spam [Vantage] Re: OT - Move from NT to W2003 server



Gerard,

All you have to do to resolve the web site is manually add an A record
named
"www" to your internal DNS tables that resolves to the IP of your
external
web server. Then all internal requests to your web site will be properly
routed.

Best regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Gerard Wadman
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam [Vantage] Re: OT - Move from NT to W2003 server

I have done this twice. The first point I should make is that if you
have a
website hosted offsite and it has the same name as your NT domain, it
would
be wise to setup a new domain witha different name, (since I was with an
international company both times, I simply added US to the domain name
ie...smith.com is now smithUS.com). If you do not make this change, you
will
need to point to an outside DNS server to resolve website requests from
your
in house clients.
Keep in mind that if you do this, the clients will also use this server
to
resolve IP addresses of in house nodes unless they have entries for them
in
their hosts file. (If you have a big network, maintaining hosts files is
not
desirable)

If you host your website inhouse, I would still use a different domain
name
but if you don't you will only have to add host entries for the website
on
your primary DNS server (usually the same as your Primary DC)

Creating a new domain and migrating to it is the safest way to change
the
domain name without creating a disjointed namespace. A disjointed
namespace
is when the comper name extension does not match the domain name
extension
(No big deal for a member server or computer, A major problem for a DC)
If
this does happen, Microsoft has a VB script that will correct the
problem.

I personnally would opt for migrating to a new domain, It won't take
that
much longer to do.



As for Exchange 2xxx, you are correct it does require AD to run, It
also vies a user account and it's mailbox as one object, therefore
there can only be one mailbox per account. If you have any NT
accounts with more than one mailbox, you must decide which one is
primary to that account and replace the others with DLs with the
primary account mailbox as the member for each. If you forget to do
this exchange will map the first mailbox it finds to the account and
orphan any subsequent mailboxs that share the same account. (note
that this is fixable after the fact but why create more work for
yourself)

Good Luck.

















--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Lydia Coffman <lcoffman@c...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all hardware/network specialists:
>
> I just found out that for Christmas vacation this year, I get to
change our
> network from NT 4 to Windows 2003!
>
> Currently, Vantage 6.1 is running on a W2003 server (a member
server on our
> NT4 net), another W2003 server is installed and currently only
running
> Symantec, Spysweeper and such. We want to get Exchange 2003
running on the
> second server, so I will have to change my network over --
Exchange needs
> Active Directory. Put it off as long as possible, now I have to
move! I
> have always had a very smoothly running network, even adding the
two new
> servers went well.
>
> Any advice? We have a hardware/network guy coming in to help, and
he is
> already talking about adding another domain, or renaming the old
domain --
> all of which sounds like a week's worth of work for me getting
Vantage (and
> all those reports,etc)to run correctly again. Is it possible to
keep the
> same domain name, demote the old PDC, then promote the new
server? When I
> took a class a few months ago, that seemed to be the general
thinking.
>
> Since many of you have already done this -- and you understand the
impact to
> Vantage of adding domains and changing server names, I have a much
higher
> level of trust in your advice.
>
> Answer off list if you think that is best.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lydia
> Canyon Engineering Products
> lcoffman@c...
> 661-294-0084
>








Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Lydia,

When naming your domain, you do not want your internal domain name to
end with .com, .net, etc. You should name it .int or .local
(microsoft has docs on this). As I recall there is no direct upgrade
from NT4.0 to Win2003. You must step to Win2000 first.

You should get a disposable machine to use as your upgrade path (even
if it is a desktop running server software). You will use it as a
stepping stone. Load NT4 on it, sycn the domain, upgrade the temp
server to Win 2000, then to Win2003. Load a new server with Win2003
and transfer FSMO and PDC emulator roles. That way you can have a
clean new server.

The new domain name is not a big deal. Once you configure AD it will
handle the conversion, and your desktops (except for Win98) will
still log in to the domain as usual.

There are a lot of steps to get there, but it isnt that bad. Read up
on the roles of the server and how to transfer them.

Good luck



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Lydia Coffman <lcoffman@c...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to you all -- and anyone else who may want to address this
issue. I
> have a server that is W2K, (currently only the engineering file
server--and
> they will all be gone the week between Christmas and New Years) so
I believe
> we may be able to use that as the stepping stone to migrate UP to
W2003.
> Vantage is already on a W2003 server, so my main worry is the "new
domain"
> thing.
>
> Lydia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@p...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:25 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT - Move from NT to W2003 server
>
>
> We did this last year but had the benefit of having a new 2003
server to use
> as our AD DC. So we didn't "upgrade" our existing domain, but rather
> migrated everything to a new domain. We migrated all the user
accounts and
> groups over and then used the active directory migration tool to
get the
> computers moved over. The Vantage server went over with the only
hitch being
> that we lost the ability for the network admin account to end dead
Vantage
> sessions with promon.
>
> Believe it or not, MS actually has a lot of good documentation on
this. Its
> worth looking through to decide what method is best for you.
>
> Brian
>
>