[OT] MS Pushing Vista

I have contrary information direct from Microsoft. If you buy a machine with a Vista license, and are in PHYSICAL POsSESSION OF A XP CD, you can call the activation line and they will active XP on your new computer without question and without penalty. This is a documented accepted practice at Microsoft.
The caveat according to the Microsoft licensing rep is being in possession of the physical CD. Apparently possession of an OEM XP install does not qualify..

Also, and article yesterday on infoweek stated that Dell has decided, due to customer demand, to continue selling new machines with XP despite pressure from Microsoft to only offer Vista.
Carey


To: Vantage@yahoogroups.comFrom: caugheyt@...: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:56:08 -0500Subject: [Vantage] [OT] MS Pushing Vista




I need to get a new CAD station. HP will only sell with Vista. MS maybe is twisting their corporate arm. Our CAD software is gauranteed to choke on Vista. To downgrade to XP-Pro I'm told we have to buy minimum of five licenses with Software Assurance. Only other solution seems to be to just buy XP-Pro while I still can (OEM version with hardware...one 5 cent screw) and scrub/load that.Anyone run into something that will work better to get XP on the new PC?Thanks,Todd CaugheyHarvey Vogel Mfg. Co.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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I need to get a new CAD station. HP will only sell with Vista. MS maybe is twisting their corporate arm. Our CAD software is gauranteed to choke on Vista. To downgrade to XP-Pro I'm told we have to buy minimum of five licenses with Software Assurance. Only other solution seems to be to just buy XP-Pro while I still can (OEM version with hardware...one 5 cent screw) and scrub/load that.

Anyone run into something that will work better to get XP on the new PC?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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You might not want to change, but Dell is still selling XP Pro on their
Optiplex line.

I read where MS will ban all OEM's from selling XP after 12/31/07.



Jim Moore



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:56 PM
To: Vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] MS Pushing Vista



I need to get a new CAD station. HP will only sell with Vista. MS maybe
is twisting their corporate arm. Our CAD software is gauranteed to choke
on Vista. To downgrade to XP-Pro I'm told we have to buy minimum of five
licenses with Software Assurance. Only other solution seems to be to
just buy XP-Pro while I still can (OEM version with hardware...one 5
cent screw) and scrub/load that.

Anyone run into something that will work better to get XP on the new PC?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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Nice thing about when XP came out....Win2K could be installed anywhere and did not have the license activation "feature". I could buy new machines with XP and load Win2K all I wanted. Legal and easy. Would be nice if they could let XP activate with a Vista code. I don't mind buying Vista and even running it someday (we are just now getting all the Win2K machines on to XP) but software and driver issues with Vista make it unusable for us.
-Todd C.


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Moore, Jim (Anniston)
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] MS Pushing Vista



You might not want to change, but Dell is still selling XP Pro on their
Optiplex line.

I read where MS will ban all OEM's from selling XP after 12/31/07.

Jim Moore

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:56 PM
To: Vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:Vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] MS Pushing Vista

I need to get a new CAD station. HP will only sell with Vista. MS maybe
is twisting their corporate arm. Our CAD software is gauranteed to choke
on Vista. To downgrade to XP-Pro I'm told we have to buy minimum of five
licenses with Software Assurance. Only other solution seems to be to
just buy XP-Pro while I still can (OEM version with hardware...one 5
cent screw) and scrub/load that.

Anyone run into something that will work better to get XP on the new PC?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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Moore, Jim (Anniston) wrote:
> You might not want to change, but Dell is still selling XP Pro on their
> Optiplex line.

I just looked at Dell's "small business desktop" selection, and they still advertise XP for the Precision (cad station) Optiplex and Dimension lines. Good for them. You can also find returned / reconditioned Dells in their outlet selection with XP.

-Wayne
Todd,

Here is a link directly to HP's online store, this is the
4400 workstation page, as you can see every one of the model listed here
all come with XP w/ the Vista upgrade option.

Perhaps you should also show this link to your reseller.



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:56 PM
To: Vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] MS Pushing Vista



I need to get a new CAD station. HP will only sell with Vista. MS maybe
is twisting their corporate arm. Our CAD software is gauranteed to choke
on Vista. To downgrade to XP-Pro I'm told we have to buy minimum of five
licenses with Software Assurance. Only other solution seems to be to
just buy XP-Pro while I still can (OEM version with hardware...one 5
cent screw) and scrub/load that.

Anyone run into something that will work better to get XP on the new PC?

Thanks,
Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.

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At 01:56 PM 4/20/2007, Todd Caughey wrote:
>Anyone run into something that will work better to get XP on the new PC?

Oh! This is interesting. I just discovered that Dell's XP offerings
came about just this week in something of a market shake-up.

On Google News:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=dell+windows+xp&btnG=Search+News
or go to news.google.com and punch up: dell windows xp
if the link is uncooperative.

Also... NewEgg.com still has XP Pro OEM for $134. Apparently they
just sell it with the warning that the license isn't valid unless you
have new hardware to go with, and compliance or lack thereof is the
buyer's responsibility. So if you have the new HP of your dreams, order up!

-Wayne
As of this week you can get XP on ALL machines through Dell now. Just
so you know.

On 4/20/07, Wayne <wmc20@...> wrote:
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> Moore, Jim (Anniston) wrote:
> > You might not want to change, but Dell is still selling XP Pro on their
> > Optiplex line.
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> I just looked at Dell's "small business desktop" selection, and they still
> advertise XP for the Precision (cad station) Optiplex and Dimension lines.
> Good for them. You can also find returned / reconditioned Dells in their
> outlet selection with XP.
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> -Wayne
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