OT: Network Attached Storage

system · January 22, 2004, 7:56am

Does anybody know of a good IDE Raid controller that can do Raid 0,1 and 5?

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Drumeller [mailto:cliff@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

I setup a Pentium 200 with two 250 GB IDE drives and an Adaptec 1200 Raid 1
controller for about $700. I moved all of my CAD files from previous years
(165 GB) to it and made them Read-Only. My attitude is if you want to work
on a drawing from 2002 copy it to the CAD04 folder and work away.

Cliff Drumeller
IT Manager
Mass Precision Sheetmetal
408 954 0200

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Smalley [mailto:esmalley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

Anyone using NAS servers for file storage? Our general file server is
running out of space and I'm looking at a Snap or Iomega unit that'll
run RAID 1. Any other unit I should check out, things to watch out
for? TIA!

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system · January 21, 2004, 1:48pm

Anyone using NAS servers for file storage? Our general file server is
running out of space and I'm looking at a Snap or Iomega unit that'll
run RAID 1. Any other unit I should check out, things to watch out
for? TIA!

Erik

system · January 21, 2004, 2:04pm

I've been using a plain old PC running Windows-98 with a 100GB disk as a dirt cheap NAS respository for seldom used files. Mostly to prove the concept so I can buy something more durable.

I'm currently debating the Iomega 400m unit with 640GB which offers RAID 1 and 4 X 160GB hot swap drives. Also 2.6Ghz CPU, 1GB RAM and Dual 10/100/1000 NICs. For my uses I will probably JBOD it rather than RAID. It runs about $3,700.

The alternative seems to be to build a server and load it with some large SATA disks (as opposed to more expensive SCSI) and see what I can do to beat that price point. Mostly what I want it for is storing user desktop backups, user Outlook PSTs and documents used by Vantage document management (QA photos, CAD drawings, part work notes, etc...). Maybe even intra-day Vantage backups and near-line backup at night of the other servers before going to tape. So performance is not a huge issue. Seperate server would also allow adding a new tape drive for backups - I don't think the Iomega box has a tape option.

Since I am not going to RAID my main concern is "bang for the buck" and future expandability hence looking at a seperate server - but the Iomega box sure looks easier to set up.

I too would welcome other opinions.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Smalley [mailto:esmalley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

Anyone using NAS servers for file storage? Our general file server is
running out of space and I'm looking at a Snap or Iomega unit that'll
run RAID 1. Any other unit I should check out, things to watch out
for? TIA!

Erik

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system · January 21, 2004, 2:11pm

I recently purchased a NAS unit from Dell for $2200. 100GB of RAID
storage, Dual 1000MB NICS, 2U Rack Mount. Set-up took like five minutes
and I have all but forgotten that it exists. It serves as a file
repository for my engineering department where performance is an issue.
Users are very happy with it. I use Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection
(new version of Terminal Services Client) to connect to it if
necessary(it is in California I am in Michigan.) Couldn't be happier
with it. Don't know that I will ever buy another "file" server.

Check them out before you buy.

Todd Hofert
IT Director
Spartan Graphics, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

I've been using a plain old PC running Windows-98 with a 100GB disk as a
dirt cheap NAS respository for seldom used files. Mostly to prove the
concept so I can buy something more durable.

I'm currently debating the Iomega 400m unit with 640GB which offers RAID
1 and 4 X 160GB hot swap drives. Also 2.6Ghz CPU, 1GB RAM and Dual
10/100/1000 NICs. For my uses I will probably JBOD it rather than RAID.
It runs about $3,700.

The alternative seems to be to build a server and load it with some
large SATA disks (as opposed to more expensive SCSI) and see what I can
do to beat that price point. Mostly what I want it for is storing user
desktop backups, user Outlook PSTs and documents used by Vantage
document management (QA photos, CAD drawings, part work notes, etc...).
Maybe even intra-day Vantage backups and near-line backup at night of
the other servers before going to tape. So performance is not a huge
issue. Seperate server would also allow adding a new tape drive for
backups - I don't think the Iomega box has a tape option.

Since I am not going to RAID my main concern is "bang for the buck" and
future expandability hence looking at a seperate server - but the Iomega
box sure looks easier to set up.

I too would welcome other opinions.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Smalley [mailto:esmalley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

Anyone using NAS servers for file storage? Our general file server is
running out of space and I'm looking at a Snap or Iomega unit that'll
run RAID 1. Any other unit I should check out, things to watch out for?
TIA!

Erik

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system · January 21, 2004, 2:15pm

Which Dell is that? How many drives are there?

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Hofert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

I recently purchased a NAS unit from Dell for $2200. 100GB of RAID
storage, Dual 1000MB NICS, 2U Rack Mount. Set-up took like five minutes
and I have all but forgotten that it exists. It serves as a file
repository for my engineering department where performance is an issue.
Users are very happy with it. I use Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection
(new version of Terminal Services Client) to connect to it if
necessary(it is in California I am in Michigan.) Couldn't be happier
with it. Don't know that I will ever buy another "file" server.

Check them out before you buy.

Todd Hofert
IT Director
Spartan Graphics, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

I've been using a plain old PC running Windows-98 with a 100GB disk as a
dirt cheap NAS respository for seldom used files. Mostly to prove the
concept so I can buy something more durable.

I'm currently debating the Iomega 400m unit with 640GB which offers RAID
1 and 4 X 160GB hot swap drives. Also 2.6Ghz CPU, 1GB RAM and Dual
10/100/1000 NICs. For my uses I will probably JBOD it rather than RAID.
It runs about $3,700.

The alternative seems to be to build a server and load it with some
large SATA disks (as opposed to more expensive SCSI) and see what I can
do to beat that price point. Mostly what I want it for is storing user
desktop backups, user Outlook PSTs and documents used by Vantage
document management (QA photos, CAD drawings, part work notes, etc...).
Maybe even intra-day Vantage backups and near-line backup at night of
the other servers before going to tape. So performance is not a huge
issue. Seperate server would also allow adding a new tape drive for
backups - I don't think the Iomega box has a tape option.

Since I am not going to RAID my main concern is "bang for the buck" and
future expandability hence looking at a seperate server - but the Iomega
box sure looks easier to set up.

I too would welcome other opinions.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Smalley [mailto:esmalley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

Anyone using NAS servers for file storage? Our general file server is
running out of space and I'm looking at a Snap or Iomega unit that'll
run RAID 1. Any other unit I should check out, things to watch out for?
TIA!

Erik

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system · January 21, 2004, 2:20pm

PowerVault 725N
I have 4 40GB Drives in mine I think it will take four a max of 4 -
250GB drives. I have 512MB RAM in mine and I back it up with a DDS4 tape
auto loader that is connected to my Vantage server.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jasper Recto [mailto:jrecto@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

Which Dell is that? How many drives are there?

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Hofert [mailto:todd@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

I recently purchased a NAS unit from Dell for $2200. 100GB of RAID
storage, Dual 1000MB NICS, 2U Rack Mount. Set-up took like five minutes
and I have all but forgotten that it exists. It serves as a file
repository for my engineering department where performance is an issue.
Users are very happy with it. I use Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection
(new version of Terminal Services Client) to connect to it if
necessary(it is in California I am in Michigan.) Couldn't be happier
with it. Don't know that I will ever buy another "file" server.

Check them out before you buy.

Todd Hofert
IT Director
Spartan Graphics, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

I've been using a plain old PC running Windows-98 with a 100GB disk as a
dirt cheap NAS respository for seldom used files. Mostly to prove the
concept so I can buy something more durable.

I'm currently debating the Iomega 400m unit with 640GB which offers RAID
1 and 4 X 160GB hot swap drives. Also 2.6Ghz CPU, 1GB RAM and Dual
10/100/1000 NICs. For my uses I will probably JBOD it rather than RAID.
It runs about $3,700.

The alternative seems to be to build a server and load it with some
large SATA disks (as opposed to more expensive SCSI) and see what I can
do to beat that price point. Mostly what I want it for is storing user
desktop backups, user Outlook PSTs and documents used by Vantage
document management (QA photos, CAD drawings, part work notes, etc...).
Maybe even intra-day Vantage backups and near-line backup at night of
the other servers before going to tape. So performance is not a huge
issue. Seperate server would also allow adding a new tape drive for
backups - I don't think the Iomega box has a tape option.

Since I am not going to RAID my main concern is "bang for the buck" and
future expandability hence looking at a seperate server - but the Iomega
box sure looks easier to set up.

I too would welcome other opinions.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Smalley [mailto:esmalley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

Anyone using NAS servers for file storage? Our general file server is
running out of space and I'm looking at a Snap or Iomega unit that'll
run RAID 1. Any other unit I should check out, things to watch out for?
TIA!

Erik

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system · January 21, 2004, 2:27pm

Along the same lines ... does anyone have any good ideas for a stand alone
tape backup device ?

aka an embedded operating system ( linux? ) with a tape drive that can be
programmed to access MS servers...

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

I've been using a plain old PC running Windows-98 with a 100GB disk as a
dirt cheap NAS respository for seldom used files. Mostly to prove the
concept so I can buy something more durable.

I'm currently debating the Iomega 400m unit with 640GB which offers RAID 1
and 4 X 160GB hot swap drives. Also 2.6Ghz CPU, 1GB RAM and Dual
10/100/1000 NICs. For my uses I will probably JBOD it rather than RAID. It
runs about $3,700.

The alternative seems to be to build a server and load it with some large
SATA disks (as opposed to more expensive SCSI) and see what I can do to beat
that price point. Mostly what I want it for is storing user desktop
backups, user Outlook PSTs and documents used by Vantage document management
(QA photos, CAD drawings, part work notes, etc...). Maybe even intra-day
Vantage backups and near-line backup at night of the other servers before
going to tape. So performance is not a huge issue. Seperate server would
also allow adding a new tape drive for backups - I don't think the Iomega
box has a tape option.

Since I am not going to RAID my main concern is "bang for the buck" and
future expandability hence looking at a seperate server - but the Iomega box
sure looks easier to set up.

I too would welcome other opinions.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Smalley [mailto:esmalley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Network Attached Storage

Anyone using NAS servers for file storage? Our general file server is
running out of space and I'm looking at a Snap or Iomega unit that'll
run RAID 1. Any other unit I should check out, things to watch out
for? TIA!

Erik

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system · January 21, 2004, 2:53pm

>dirt cheap NAS repository for seldom used files. ... Mostly to prove the
>concept so I can buy something more durable. ... main concern is "bang for
>the buck" and future expandability hence looking at a separate server

How about FreeBSD unix www.freebsd.org with Samba www.samba.org ? That'll
get any old [or new] PC emulating a windoze file server in short time for
zero software cost. With a little more effort, it can authenticate users
from an NT PDC or act as your PDC.

>...does anyone have any good ideas for a stand alone tape backup device ?
>aka an embedded operating system ( linux? ) with a tape drive that can be
>programmed to access MS servers...

I just ran across this article about "Bacula" that sounds very
promising [I've not used it myself, nor read the whole thing yet]:

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2004/01/09/bacula.html

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system · January 21, 2004, 3:43pm

I setup a Pentium 200 with two 250 GB IDE drives and an Adaptec 1200 Raid 1
controller for about $700. I moved all of my CAD files from previous years
(165 GB) to it and made them Read-Only. My attitude is if you want to work
on a drawing from 2002 copy it to the CAD04 folder and work away.

Cliff Drumeller
IT Manager
Mass Precision Sheetmetal
408 954 0200

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Anyone using NAS servers for file storage? Our general file server is
running out of space and I'm looking at a Snap or Iomega unit that'll
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