OT / Network Switches

system · September 14, 2005, 9:13am

That's just because I'm just so wonderful ;D

Thomas Wojewoda

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:09 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I think you have actually redeemed yourself, Tom.....

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Yeah, well, I'd rather, if you have it, give it to the New
Orleans
hurricane victims and I'll just wait till I'm stink 'n
rich and buy that
cliff :D

Thomas Wojewoda

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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:49 AM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Yep, and considering it is a wealthy area you may have to
pay top dollar. ;)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

So I'll have to pay for my suicide? That sucks. I can't
afford it, I'll
have to stay alive for a while.

Thomas Wojewoda

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Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I think you are right...all the cliffs are owned by
someone
or other....

It has been a while since I've been there...... :)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Charles
Paluska - HPN
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Whose Cliff ?

Charles

:-)

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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

> >From a former Illinoian, there is a cliff in
Winnetka,
IL,
> up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom!
;)
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> ERP Specialist
> Crestview Aerospace Corporation
> Email: mmreddy@...
> Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
>
> I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad
we're
in
IL,
> it'll be a
> long walk.
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Shirley Graver
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been
jumpy in
> ... HOURS!!
>
> Shirley
>
> "1. stability - wireless is very, lets say,
"jumpy" -
> it's like a
> woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that
one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)"
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> Todd Hofert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
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> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Oh Boy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thomas Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't
see
the
> difference
> between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one,
and
> attach an AP to
> that. But use Wireless only for "complicated"
situations.
> Run wire where
> you can. Why? Well:
>
> 1. stability - wireless is very, lets say,
"jumpy" -
it's
> like a woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that
one
day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean
absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm
talking
> about)
>
> 2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches,
means
> almost 0
> latency, communication between you servers and the
last
> hop before the
> WS is crucial.
>
> 3. the future of your phone system - there will
come
a
> day, where VIOP
> will become a subject in your company, and
wireless,
even
> G, is not an
> answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.
>
> 4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I
have
> wireless all over
> the company, but my laptop users look for cables
when
they
> need to use
> Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use
citrix.
>
>
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
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system · September 12, 2005, 11:40am

Hi all,

We "lost" one of our 3Com SuperStack 24port switches over the
weekend. It was a managable switch with a fiber module added to run
a timeclock in our warehouse. Instead of doing a straight
replacement we're thinking about upgrading the switch and replacing
the fiber with wireless.

We could purchase an unmanaged switch and wireless router/access
point for less. We would be upgrading to a gigabit switch and have
further expansion capabilities to the shop.

The big questions is, what is the big advantage of a managable
switch over an unmanagable? When we purchaced the 3300 we needed it
to have the fiber module expandability which only came with a
managable switch at the time.

Thanks!

- Erik

system · September 12, 2005, 11:45am

I think the best deal is on Ebay for an HP Procurve 4000. Awsome managed switch, very inexpensive and totaly configurable to just about any module you need.

I have purchased around 20 of these units on ebay without a problem.

Jeremy

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Smalley <esmalley@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:39:22 -0000
Subject: [Vantage] OT / Network Switches

Hi all,

We "lost" one of our 3Com SuperStack 24port switches over the
weekend. It was a managable switch with a fiber module added to run
a timeclock in our warehouse. Instead of doing a straight
replacement we're thinking about upgrading the switch and replacing
the fiber with wireless.

We could purchase an unmanaged switch and wireless router/access
point for less. We would be upgrading to a gigabit switch and have
further expansion capabilities to the shop.

The big questions is, what is the big advantage of a managable
switch over an unmanagable? When we purchaced the 3300 we needed it
to have the fiber module expandability which only came with a
managable switch at the time.

Thanks!

- Erik

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system · September 12, 2005, 11:54am

We are sort of going the opposite direction...migrating gradually to all managable. At the strong urging of our network consultants too. We are all 3Com SuperStacks (either straight gigabit or at the least with two gigabit up/down links) and now buying only manageable switches. After I saw some of the reporting and "discovery" tricks identifying problem links and PCs is much easier. I can configure individual ports via web interface from my desk or any PC with a browser. Had a problem last Friday with a gigabit link to our new email server and was able to "see" info info to determine it was a cabling issue that was throttling it to 100Mbps.

So for now at least our gagabit server/switch backbone switch now connects only to managed switches. I still have a few Tier III switches in remote parts of the plant that may or may not get upgraded as they are replaced. Only hesitation there is expense versus dirty environment so where possible I put the managed units inside offices. I think, too, if you ever adopt VOIP you might need managed units anyway.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Smalley [mailto:esmalley@...]
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 10:39 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT / Network Switches

Hi all,

We "lost" one of our 3Com SuperStack 24port switches over the
weekend. It was a managable switch with a fiber module added to run
a timeclock in our warehouse. Instead of doing a straight
replacement we're thinking about upgrading the switch and replacing
the fiber with wireless.

We could purchase an unmanaged switch and wireless router/access
point for less. We would be upgrading to a gigabit switch and have
further expansion capabilities to the shop.

The big questions is, what is the big advantage of a managable
switch over an unmanagable? When we purchaced the 3300 we needed it
to have the fiber module expandability which only came with a
managable switch at the time.

Thanks!

- Erik

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system · September 12, 2005, 4:39pm

Replacing Fiber with Wireless????
What is the benefit?
Wouldn't you be giving up great stability and speed for flaky and slow
wireless?
I just want to make sure I am not missing something here...
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Erik Smalley
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:39 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT / Network Switches

Hi all,

We "lost" one of our 3Com SuperStack 24port switches over the
weekend. It was a managable switch with a fiber module added to run
a timeclock in our warehouse. Instead of doing a straight
replacement we're thinking about upgrading the switch and replacing
the fiber with wireless.

We could purchase an unmanaged switch and wireless router/access
point for less. We would be upgrading to a gigabit switch and have
further expansion capabilities to the shop.

The big questions is, what is the big advantage of a managable
switch over an unmanagable? When we purchaced the 3300 we needed it
to have the fiber module expandability which only came with a
managable switch at the time.

Thanks!

- Erik

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system · September 13, 2005, 8:08am

We started running a timeclock on wireless and it's been working
quite well. The benefit will be the ability to use wireless devices
in the shop should we ever have the need. Also, if we would like to
add a workstation or timeclock we won't need a new cable run.

The other option is keeping the existing fiber and getting a $150
converter box to connect instead of $400 fiber modules for switches
that cost twice as much.

- Erik

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Hoyt" <aaron.hoyt@v...> wrote:
> Replacing Fiber with Wireless????
> What is the benefit?
> Wouldn't you be giving up great stability and speed for flaky and
slow
> wireless?
> I just want to make sure I am not missing something here...
> Aaron Hoyt
> Vantage Plastics

system · September 13, 2005, 8:42am

Erik,

How were you testing ?

First - wireless is half-duplex - trans then receive - not both at the same
time.
Second - available bandwidth will decrease drastically with additional
workstations
i.e. 54mbs / 20 workstations = 2.7 mbs
As you add more wireless workstations they compete for AP time futher
degrading performance.

Unless all your wireless workstations are running Citrix - I would still go
with fiber for the bulk of your network (at least from wiring closet to
closet), gigibit copper to the workstations, and wireless where you really
need it.

Have you benchmarked your fiber ? If it running slower then you think it
should, bring in a network wiring contractor to verify the fiber - too much
attenuation and your errors go up and speed goes down.

Also, what speed was your original fiber module ? I had some hp procurve
hubs with fiber modules that I had inherited when I took a job - the fiber
was only running at 10mbs - half duplex because of the modules. Needless to
say - that got replaced with gigabit switches and fiber modules. 10 gig is
out for the real speed freaks.

Good luck,

Charles

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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:08 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

> We started running a timeclock on wireless and it's been working
> quite well. The benefit will be the ability to use wireless devices
> in the shop should we ever have the need. Also, if we would like to
> add a workstation or timeclock we won't need a new cable run.
>
> The other option is keeping the existing fiber and getting a $150
> converter box to connect instead of $400 fiber modules for switches
> that cost twice as much.
>
> - Erik
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Hoyt" <aaron.hoyt@v...> wrote:
> > Replacing Fiber with Wireless????
> > What is the benefit?
> > Wouldn't you be giving up great stability and speed for flaky and
> slow
> > wireless?
> > I just want to make sure I am not missing something here...
> > Aaron Hoyt
> > Vantage Plastics
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system · September 13, 2005, 9:51am

Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the difference
between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and attach an AP to
that. But use Wireless only for "complicated" situations. Run wire where
you can. Why? Well:

1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)

2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means almost 0
latency, communication between you servers and the last hop before the
WS is crucial.

3. the future of your phone system - there will come a day, where VIOP
will become a subject in your company, and wireless, even G, is not an
answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.

4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have wireless all over
the company, but my laptop users look for cables when they need to use
Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave
60155 Broadview IL
phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
fax: (708) 865 7632
cell: (708) 259 4864
http://www.principalmfg.com

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system · September 13, 2005, 9:55am

Oh Boy!

-----Original Message-----
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Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the difference
between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and attach an AP to
that. But use Wireless only for "complicated" situations. Run wire where
you can. Why? Well:

1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)

2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means almost 0
latency, communication between you servers and the last hop before the
WS is crucial.

3. the future of your phone system - there will come a day, where VIOP
will become a subject in your company, and wireless, even G, is not an
answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.

4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have wireless all over
the company, but my laptop users look for cables when they need to use
Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave
60155 Broadview IL
phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
fax: (708) 865 7632
cell: (708) 259 4864
http://www.principalmfg.com

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system · September 13, 2005, 10:02am

I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been jumpy in ... HOURS!!

Shirley

"1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)"

_____

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Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Oh Boy!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the difference
between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and attach an AP to
that. But use Wireless only for "complicated" situations. Run wire where
you can. Why? Well:

1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)

2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means almost 0
latency, communication between you servers and the last hop before the
WS is crucial.

3. the future of your phone system - there will come a day, where VIOP
will become a subject in your company, and wireless, even G, is not an
answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.

4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have wireless all over
the company, but my laptop users look for cables when they need to use
Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave
60155 Broadview IL
phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
fax: (708) 865 7632
cell: (708) 259 4864
http://www.principalmfg.com

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system · September 13, 2005, 10:03am

We used to have all managed switches and now they are unmanaged. The
only thing we might have lost is troubleshooting capabilities but
after three years of using the unmanaged switches we haven't had a
problem. The other thing you lose is port replication, as in, if you
wanted to filter/monitor network traffic across a switch, in a managed
switch you could mirror all ports across a single port but with an
unmanaged switch you cannot do this.

Wireless nowadays is probably very stable, especially in a shop area
but the tradeoff is convenience vs. security. If you run wireless,
make sure you enable the best security features the device can handle.
I'm not a security guru so you'll have to study the manual.

When we went from ethernet hubs to fast-ethernet switches, we also had
to swap out all of our fiber adapters and the fiber concentrator
(fiber hub if you will). At each switch we used a converter that
plugged into the switch, as an add-in module. We replaced the
original fiber concentrator with a block of fiber-to-ethernet
adapters. The concentrator originally cost about $30K but the new
block of adapters was only about $2,500 if I remember right. I think
the brand was Allied Telnesen or something like that.

Hope this helps,

Bruce Brannan
Engineered Products Dept.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Smalley" <esmalley@m...> wrote:
> We started running a timeclock on wireless and it's been working
> quite well. The benefit will be the ability to use wireless devices
> in the shop should we ever have the need. Also, if we would like to
> add a workstation or timeclock we won't need a new cable run.
>
> The other option is keeping the existing fiber and getting a $150
> converter box to connect instead of $400 fiber modules for switches
> that cost twice as much.
>
> - Erik
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Hoyt" <aaron.hoyt@v...> wrote:
> > Replacing Fiber with Wireless????
> > What is the benefit?
> > Wouldn't you be giving up great stability and speed for flaky and
> slow
> > wireless?
> > I just want to make sure I am not missing something here...
> > Aaron Hoyt
> > Vantage Plastics

system · September 13, 2005, 10:17am

How did I know Shirley would be the first to respond to that
comment...lol...

Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirley Graver
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
To: Darren Mann
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been jumpy in ... HOURS!!

Shirley

"1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's life
and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to women,
but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)"

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Oh Boy!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the difference between
managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and attach an AP to that. But use
Wireless only for "complicated" situations. Run wire where you can. Why?
Well:

1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a woman, you
love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's life and
you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to women, but
ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)

2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means almost 0 latency,
communication between you servers and the last hop before the WS is crucial.

3. the future of your phone system - there will come a day, where VIOP will
become a subject in your company, and wireless, even G, is not an answer.
Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.

4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have wireless all over the
company, but my laptop users look for cables when they need to use Vantage.
If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave
60155 Broadview IL
phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
fax: (708) 865 7632
cell: (708) 259 4864
http://www.principalmfg.com

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system · September 13, 2005, 10:22am

I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're in IL, it'll be a
long walk.

Thomas Wojewoda

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been jumpy in ... HOURS!!

Shirley

"1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a
woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)"

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Oh Boy!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the difference
between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and attach an AP to
that. But use Wireless only for "complicated" situations. Run wire where
you can. Why? Well:

1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)

2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means almost 0
latency, communication between you servers and the last hop before the
WS is crucial.

3. the future of your phone system - there will come a day, where VIOP
will become a subject in your company, and wireless, even G, is not an
answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.

4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have wireless all over
the company, but my laptop users look for cables when they need to use
Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave
60155 Broadview IL
phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
fax: (708) 865 7632
cell: (708) 259 4864
http://www.principalmfg.com

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system · September 13, 2005, 10:25am

I'm here but we are way out west where the are also Cliffs and Oceans.

Cliff
Mass precision Sheetmetal
San Jose,Ca.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're in IL, it'll be a
long walk.

Thomas Wojewoda

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been jumpy in ... HOURS!!

Shirley

"1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a
woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)"

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Oh Boy!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the difference
between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and attach an AP to
that. But use Wireless only for "complicated" situations. Run wire where
you can. Why? Well:

1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)

2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means almost 0
latency, communication between you servers and the last hop before the
WS is crucial.

3. the future of your phone system - there will come a day, where VIOP
will become a subject in your company, and wireless, even G, is not an
answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.

4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have wireless all over
the company, but my laptop users look for cables when they need to use
Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave
60155 Broadview IL
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system · September 13, 2005, 10:27am

>From a former Illinoian, there is a cliff in Winnetka, IL,

up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom! ;)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're in IL,
it'll be a
long walk.

Thomas Wojewoda

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been jumpy in
... HOURS!!

Shirley

"1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
it's like a
woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day
in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely
no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking
about)"

_____

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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Oh Boy!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the
difference
between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and
attach an AP to
that. But use Wireless only for "complicated" situations.
Run wire where
you can. Why? Well:

1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's
like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day
in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely
no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking
about)

2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means
almost 0
latency, communication between you servers and the last
hop before the
WS is crucial.

3. the future of your phone system - there will come a
day, where VIOP
will become a subject in your company, and wireless, even
G, is not an
answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.

4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have
wireless all over
the company, but my laptop users look for cables when they
need to use
Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave
60155 Broadview IL
phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
fax: (708) 865 7632
cell: (708) 259 4864
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system · September 13, 2005, 10:31am

Never one to stir the pot but boy are you getting off easy.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're in IL, it'll be a
long walk.

Thomas Wojewoda

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been jumpy in ... HOURS!!

Shirley

"1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a
woman, you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a
woman's life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no
offence to women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking
about)"

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Oh Boy!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the difference
between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and attach an AP to
that. But use Wireless only for "complicated" situations. Run wire where
you can. Why? Well:

1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking about)

2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means almost 0
latency, communication between you servers and the last hop before the
WS is crucial.

3. the future of your phone system - there will come a day, where VIOP
will become a subject in your company, and wireless, even G, is not an
answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.

4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have wireless all over
the company, but my laptop users look for cables when they need to use
Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave
60155 Broadview IL
phone: (708) 865 7500 ext 544
fax: (708) 865 7632
cell: (708) 259 4864
http://www.principalmfg.com

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system · September 13, 2005, 10:36am

Switches have 100M of bandwidth to each port. Wireless is sharing 54M
minus the overhead for WEP with all the devices connected to each AP.
In my opinion wireless works well for Data Collection clients because it
uses very little bandwidth and allows you flexibility to move you
clients in your warehouse or shop. You can also get wireless
printservers so you can print Job Travelers, Pick Lists and Packing
Slips to the warehouse and shop.

But when it comes to Servers, Power Users, and Uplinks or Backbones
wireless should never be an option. Bottom line is both have a place in
your network but make sure you pick the right one for your application.

Just me 2 cents,

Rich

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From: brucewbrannan [mailto:bruce.brannan@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

We used to have all managed switches and now they are unmanaged. The
only thing we might have lost is troubleshooting capabilities but
after three years of using the unmanaged switches we haven't had a
problem. The other thing you lose is port replication, as in, if you
wanted to filter/monitor network traffic across a switch, in a managed
switch you could mirror all ports across a single port but with an
unmanaged switch you cannot do this.

Wireless nowadays is probably very stable, especially in a shop area
but the tradeoff is convenience vs. security. If you run wireless,
make sure you enable the best security features the device can handle.
I'm not a security guru so you'll have to study the manual.

When we went from ethernet hubs to fast-ethernet switches, we also had
to swap out all of our fiber adapters and the fiber concentrator
(fiber hub if you will). At each switch we used a converter that
plugged into the switch, as an add-in module. We replaced the
original fiber concentrator with a block of fiber-to-ethernet
adapters. The concentrator originally cost about $30K but the new
block of adapters was only about $2,500 if I remember right. I think
the brand was Allied Telnesen or something like that.

Hope this helps,

Bruce Brannan
Engineered Products Dept.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Smalley" <esmalley@m...> wrote:
> We started running a timeclock on wireless and it's been working
> quite well. The benefit will be the ability to use wireless devices
> in the shop should we ever have the need. Also, if we would like to
> add a workstation or timeclock we won't need a new cable run.
>
> The other option is keeping the existing fiber and getting a $150
> converter box to connect instead of $400 fiber modules for switches
> that cost twice as much.
>
> - Erik
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Hoyt" <aaron.hoyt@v...> wrote:
> > Replacing Fiber with Wireless????
> > What is the benefit?
> > Wouldn't you be giving up great stability and speed for flaky and
> slow
> > wireless?
> > I just want to make sure I am not missing something here...
> > Aaron Hoyt
> > Vantage Plastics

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system · September 13, 2005, 11:41am

The unmanaged gigabit switches just arrived, just have to decide on
the fiber. If we go wireless maybe we'll stick to 1 timeclock per
access point. We may just keep the fiber up with a 10mbs converter
box since that's the speed it's been running since it was installed.

Thanks for all the info!

- Erik

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "RICH WAGNER" <rwagner@b...> wrote:
> Switches have 100M of bandwidth to each port. Wireless is sharing
54M
> minus the overhead for WEP with all the devices connected to each
AP.
> In my opinion wireless works well for Data Collection clients
because it
> uses very little bandwidth and allows you flexibility to move you
> clients in your warehouse or shop. You can also get wireless
> printservers so you can print Job Travelers, Pick Lists and Packing
> Slips to the warehouse and shop.
>
>
>
> But when it comes to Servers, Power Users, and Uplinks or Backbones
> wireless should never be an option. Bottom line is both have a
place in
> your network but make sure you pick the right one for your
application.
>
>
>
> Just me 2 cents,
>
>
>
> Rich

system · September 13, 2005, 12:00pm

Thanks, right now I'm very close to going there and using it.

Thomas Wojewoda

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:30 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

>From a former Illinoian, there is a cliff in Winnetka, IL,

up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom! ;)

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're in IL,
it'll be a
long walk.

Thomas Wojewoda

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been jumpy in
... HOURS!!

Shirley

"1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
it's like a
woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day
in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely
no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking
about)"

_____

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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Todd Hofert
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Oh Boy!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas Wojewoda
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the
difference
between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and
attach an AP to
that. But use Wireless only for "complicated" situations.
Run wire where
you can. Why? Well:

1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's
like a woman,
you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day
in a woman's
life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely
no offence to
women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking
about)

2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means
almost 0
latency, communication between you servers and the last
hop before the
WS is crucial.

3. the future of your phone system - there will come a
day, where VIOP
will become a subject in your company, and wireless, even
G, is not an
answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.

4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have
wireless all over
the company, but my laptop users look for cables when they
need to use
Vantage. If the can't find one, they'll use citrix.

Thomas Wojewoda
IS Manager
Principal Manufacturing Corp.
2800 South 19th Ave
60155 Broadview IL
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fax: (708) 865 7632
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system · September 13, 2005, 5:10pm

Whose Cliff ?

Charles

:-)

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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches

> >From a former Illinoian, there is a cliff in Winnetka, IL,
> up north from you.....lots of rocks at the bottom! ;)
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> ERP Specialist
> Crestview Aerospace Corporation
> Email: mmreddy@...
> Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
>
> I'm going to look for that cliff now. Too bad we're in IL,
> it'll be a
> long walk.
>
> Thomas Wojewoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> I just may break out the old whip; I haven't been jumpy in
> ... HOURS!!
>
> Shirley
>
> "1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" -
> it's like a
> woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:55 AM
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> Oh Boy!
>
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thomas Wojewoda
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:53 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT / Network Switches
>
> Well my $.02 is this. Get a switch, if you don't see the
> difference
> between managed and unmanaged get the cheaper one, and
> attach an AP to
> that. But use Wireless only for "complicated" situations.
> Run wire where
> you can. Why? Well:
>
> 1. stability - wireless is very, lets say, "jumpy" - it's
> like a woman,
> you love her 29 days of the month, but come that one day
> in a woman's
> life and you want to jump off a cliff. (I mean absolutely
> no offence to
> women, but ladies, be realistic, you know what I'm talking
> about)
>
> 2. backbone connectivity - fiber between switches, means
> almost 0
> latency, communication between you servers and the last
> hop before the
> WS is crucial.
>
> 3. the future of your phone system - there will come a
> day, where VIOP
> will become a subject in your company, and wireless, even
> G, is not an
> answer. Maybe wi-max, but that has to get cheaper.
>
> 4. Vantage hates slow and unstable connections, I have
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> the company, but my laptop users look for cables when they
> need to use
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>
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>
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