So I ran this.
Part creation is QTY Bearing and Non-Stock = FALSE; Type: Purchase
PO Sugg and MRP Process = FALSE;
BACKFLUSH = TRUE (did this so that the material looks issued and no warnings at job closing)
No new operation. Set the material with QTY 1 fixed to my last OP.
Created Job, verified material is set as BF.
Released Job and ran PO Suggestions.
No suggestions since setting set to false
Data collected through out.
Last Op completed, job traveler shows material is issued.
Part Tracker On Hand is QTY 0, which it didn't go negative.
Part History shows Qty 1 was issued, but running total is still 0.
Closed Job without issues.
This is the result I wanted.
Thanks for all the help everyone....
Miguel A. Santillan
Compass Components, Inc.
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of that_guyy
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 3:07 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Part Reference in a MOM
I think I understand what you are after, though I don't understand the need for it to be listed as a material, why not just use an Operation Comment or Operation Text?
Qty cannot be zero because the purpose of a Material Seq is to drive demand, so why would you want demand be 0? ...Rhetorical...
Either way the Qty doesn't matter if the Part is setup right, which sounds like you have correct:
Part creation is QTY Bearing and Non-Stock = FALSE;
PO Sugg and MRP Process = FALSE;
BACKFLUSH = FALSE (don't think this is required since Qty Bearing = false)
And the new Backflush Op is to hide Material demand from employees?
Along with Kristin: You should be able to mark the part as Backflush anyways and since the part is not Qty Bearing, the backflush from the Current Op you have setup will, do nothing but record a backflush transaction that does nothing to inventory balances.... 'into oblivion.'
Seems to me that this setup will net you want you are after, No Job or PO suggestions, no on hand inventory tracking and backflushing it will keep employees away from it. And having to enter a qty/per (or fixed) on the Material really shouldn't matter in this setup. Heck I would just enter the Qty as fixed for the number of crates needed (but checkmark 'fixed qty' so to avoid the multiplier affect and getting confusing mtl requirements printing on the job traveler).
I would be interested in hearing back if this works for you.
-Rick Bird
IT Software Administrator
Rowmark, LLC.
Part creation is QTY Bearing and Non-Stock = FALSE; Type: Purchase
PO Sugg and MRP Process = FALSE;
BACKFLUSH = TRUE (did this so that the material looks issued and no warnings at job closing)
No new operation. Set the material with QTY 1 fixed to my last OP.
Created Job, verified material is set as BF.
Released Job and ran PO Suggestions.
No suggestions since setting set to false
Data collected through out.
Last Op completed, job traveler shows material is issued.
Part Tracker On Hand is QTY 0, which it didn't go negative.
Part History shows Qty 1 was issued, but running total is still 0.
Closed Job without issues.
This is the result I wanted.
Thanks for all the help everyone....
Miguel A. Santillan
Compass Components, Inc.
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of that_guyy
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 3:07 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Part Reference in a MOM
I think I understand what you are after, though I don't understand the need for it to be listed as a material, why not just use an Operation Comment or Operation Text?
Qty cannot be zero because the purpose of a Material Seq is to drive demand, so why would you want demand be 0? ...Rhetorical...
Either way the Qty doesn't matter if the Part is setup right, which sounds like you have correct:
Part creation is QTY Bearing and Non-Stock = FALSE;
PO Sugg and MRP Process = FALSE;
BACKFLUSH = FALSE (don't think this is required since Qty Bearing = false)
And the new Backflush Op is to hide Material demand from employees?
Along with Kristin: You should be able to mark the part as Backflush anyways and since the part is not Qty Bearing, the backflush from the Current Op you have setup will, do nothing but record a backflush transaction that does nothing to inventory balances.... 'into oblivion.'
Seems to me that this setup will net you want you are after, No Job or PO suggestions, no on hand inventory tracking and backflushing it will keep employees away from it. And having to enter a qty/per (or fixed) on the Material really shouldn't matter in this setup. Heck I would just enter the Qty as fixed for the number of crates needed (but checkmark 'fixed qty' so to avoid the multiplier affect and getting confusing mtl requirements printing on the job traveler).
I would be interested in hearing back if this works for you.
-Rick Bird
IT Software Administrator
Rowmark, LLC.
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Brian Roberts" <broberts@...<mailto:broberts@...>> wrote:
>
> You wrote: "...As for the documents, this would let us know to print
> certain docs...".
>
>
>
> We attach documents (typically PDF files) to the part revision for
> assembly drawings, packaging instructions (eg your shipping crate),
> customer documents to include in the box, etc. Links to these documents
> are copied to a job made from that part revision, and can be printed
> from job traveler etc. Epicor supports attaching documents directly, no
> need to add them as a fake part in the BOM.
>
>
>
> Brian.
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Miguel Santillan
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 4:55 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Part Reference in a MOM
>
>
>
>
>
> 9.05.607A
>
> I would like a Part Number that is not going to process through MRP to
> be on the MOM. I want it listed as a Material.
>
> Here is a scenario....
>
> In my previous work, (SAP), I would have a BOM with all the material the
> machine was built with AND the shipping crates as well. All the build to
> material had a QTY to them, but not the Shipping Crates. We would do the
> same with install manuals, procedures and what not for the install team.
> For the shipping crates, this would let shipping know to build the
> crate, but we wouldn't necessarily order anything. As for the documents,
> this would let us know to print certain docs. These were just on the BOM
> a reference material.
>
> In Epicor, the MOM and Jobs require a QTY. I really want my QTY to be
> ZERO. I don't understand why a QTY cant be zero.
>
> I have been messing around with issue and this is what I have came up
> with so far.
>
> Part creation is QTY Bearing and Non-Stock = FALSE; PO Sugg and MRP
> Process = FALSE; BACKFLUSH = FALSE
> New Resource Group has a backflush Employee attached.
> New Operation has new resource
>
> Create MOM and insert New Op into MOM with Labor Entry as backflush. (Op
> cannot last OP, read up on Backflush Labor)
> Add reference material and put a QTY/per of 1
> When you data collect, you will not see the new Op from the Pull down,
> but you will see it on the reports and MOM.
> Once the last op is completed and you try to close the job, the NEW op
> will be backflushed with the Run Qty, but the material will not be
> issued.
> Close the job and then the demand disappears.
>
> We are probably going to create the new op so that the employees don't
> have to worry about seeing material related to their op and having to
> issue that material.
>
> Similar to Kristin's thought.
>
> Miguel A. Santillan
> Compass Components, Inc.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of Kirstin Brandt
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Part Reference in a MOM
>
> We create these parts with Non-Stock Item = False and Quantity Bearing =
> False. Quantity bearing keeps you from having to track any inventory,
> but if you make it non-stock, it either tries to purchase it to the job
> or doesn't let you add it to the MOM (the memory, she grows fuzzy). I
> believe this particular combination of settings was made available with
> 8.03.404b. It will show demand, but that will disappear when the job is
> done (we backflush them into oblivion).
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Len Hartka"
> <len.hartka@<mailto:len.hartka@<mailto:len.hartka@%3cmailto:len.hartka@>>> wrote:
> >
> > Good Day Miguel:
> >
> > Give the drawing a Part# and mark it as "Not Qty Brg" ( uncheck the
> > "qty-bearing") box.
> > Probably need to make it Non-Stock also.
> >
> > I think you can then add it to the BOM with a qty and stick it
> > anywhere in a MOM that a real part would go.
> >
> >
> > Len
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > Of that_guyy
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 1:14 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Part Reference in a MOM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Miguel,
> > Not sure exactly what you are trying to accomplish, perhaps you can
> > clarify.
> > So why do you need 'Drawing' to be a Material Requirement, that's what
> > 'materials' are, requirements of inventory or purchase direct
> materials.
> > So I would not recommend using a Material Seq for anything other than
> > that.
> > What version are you on? 9.05.700 has options some prior versions did
> > not.
> > Two key words in your question makes me think you want to specify a
> > Drawing Bubble number? Or are you saying you want to note the Drawing
> ID
> > on the MOM?
> > In most versions I thought the Part Revision in Engineering Workbench
> > has a field for the Drawing #.
> > If one of the Material Requirements is an Assembly (which has it's own
> > Revision) you can put the drawing # on that Parts Rev and it should
> show
> > up on the Job Traveler.
> > Another option is to use the Manufacturing Comments for the Assembly
> or
> > the last Material on the MOM, this should then print on the traveler.
> > Another option is, if you have the drawing in digital form, to attach
> it
> > to the Method Assembly and it will be a link in the system to the
> > drawing.
> > Another option would be, depending on what 'Drawing' actually is, how
> it
> > is used, who owns it, and how many there are, you could setup your
> > drawings as resources and then per method specify which drawing is
> > needed. Without understanding the context of your problem, I would
> this
> > this would be the best way to handle your problem since (based on my
> > understanding of drawings) a drawing is not consumable inventory but
> is
> > rather a tool resource to facilitate the operation. I can see many
> > advantages to this method since, usually you have a finite number of
> > physical drawings, you could basically 'schedule' the drawing and that
> > way everyone know's where the drawing is and what job has it.
> > I'd love to experiment with this idea further in a system, seems like
> > there would be a lot of cool things one could do with this.
> > I'd like to hear back from you on more information on your scenario.
> >
> > -Rick Bird
> > IT Software Administrator
> > Rowmark, LLC.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > Miguel Santillan <msantillan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > How do you all handle or try to handle a part that you want on a MOM
> > as a Reference.
> > >
> > > Example
> > >
> > > MTL Seq Mtl Qty
> > > 10 A 2
> > > 20 B 1
> > > 30 C 5
> > > 40 Drawing 0
> > >
> > > The system doesn't let you have a QTY of 0...so we put .00001 but
> then
> > we have negatives
> > >
> > > I don't want to order, process or build Drawing...I just want it on
> > the MOM.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Miguel A. Santillan
> > > ERP Administrator
> > > Compass Components, Inc.
> > > 510-661-6666 Office
> > > 510-656-0603 Fax
> > > msantillan@<mailto:msantillan@>
> > > www.ccicms.com<http://www.ccicms.com/>
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