# Payroll and Labor Hours Differences **URL:** \ **Category:** Epicor ERP 10\ **Tags:** e10\ **Created:** [November 27, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053 "2018-11-27T13:11:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/user_avatar/www.epiusers.help/hmwillett/32/93207_2.png) [@hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/u/hmwillett)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/1 "2018-11-27T13:11:12Z")
Can anyone explain to me why there’s a 0.01 difference between the labor and payroll hours for this employee? ![image](https://epiusers.help/uploads/default/original/2X/2/24194bb35e5b107c03a93bc44f7f23136564e910.png) ![image](https://epiusers.help/uploads/default/original/2X/0/035e3b48b1e13a25584623b265ad45d4dd33683e.png) ---
**Author:** ![bfraseraepl](https://www.epiusers.help/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bfraseraepl](https://www.epiusers.help/u/bfraseraepl)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/2 "2018-11-27T13:30:29Z")
Do you have any payroll rounding rules? We consistently have Payroll different than Production Hours due to this. The fact you are seeing it on just one transaction is a little odd. Perhaps the Grace Period rounding sees it differently than 49/60 = 0.81666666666 ? ---
**Author:** ![hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/user_avatar/www.epiusers.help/hmwillett/32/93207_2.png) [@hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/u/hmwillett)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/3 "2018-11-27T13:31:04Z")
Where would I find those rounding rules? ---
**Author:** ![bfraseraepl](https://www.epiusers.help/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bfraseraepl](https://www.epiusers.help/u/bfraseraepl)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/4 "2018-11-27T13:34:38Z")
Are you running the modules Epicor Payroll or External Payroll Integration? ---
**Author:** ![hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/user_avatar/www.epiusers.help/hmwillett/32/93207_2.png) [@hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/u/hmwillett)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/5 "2018-11-27T13:34:47Z")
Epicor’s. ---
**Author:** ![bfraseraepl](https://www.epiusers.help/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bfraseraepl](https://www.epiusers.help/u/bfraseraepl)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/6 "2018-11-27T13:36:33Z")
We are running “External Payroll Integration” which is an Epicor module (not the standard Payroll one you are running) and there is “External Payroll Class Maintenance”. Here is the screenshot: ![image](https://epiusers.help/uploads/default/original/2X/9/91f8d87765effd893de96c9054b94319b6cc85c0.png) Unfortunately I can’t speak to Epicor’s Payroll. ---
**Author:** ![hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/user_avatar/www.epiusers.help/hmwillett/32/93207_2.png) [@hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/u/hmwillett)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/7 "2018-11-27T13:47:27Z")
We have some clock in/out allowances, but it doesn’t seem to be close to those.v ![image](https://epiusers.help/uploads/default/original/2X/2/20da6a9359c6f803947741df82c8c8feef08a233.png) ---
**Author:** ![bfraseraepl](https://www.epiusers.help/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bfraseraepl](https://www.epiusers.help/u/bfraseraepl)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/8 "2018-11-27T13:49:43Z")
That’s weird then. Are there other records that are a minute off or just this one? ---
**Author:** ![hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/user_avatar/www.epiusers.help/hmwillett/32/93207_2.png) [@hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/u/hmwillett)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/9 "2018-11-27T13:50:24Z")
This is the only one that we’ve found this week that has had a discrepancy we couldn’t explain. ---
**Author:** ![sedwards](https://www.epiusers.help/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@sedwards](https://www.epiusers.help/u/sedwards)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/10 "2018-12-06T18:52:40Z")
We are experiencing the same .01 difference and have not been able to identify where it is coming from either. ---
**Author:** ![MikeGross](https://www.epiusers.help/user_avatar/www.epiusers.help/mikegross/32/14500_2.png) [@MikeGross](https://www.epiusers.help/u/MikeGross)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/11 "2018-12-06T19:28:05Z")
Perhaps it’s this other thing we found. The clock out-clock in difference may not equal to the same hour total that people have clocked in to operations. We don’t use the payroll or external payroll modules, so those options outlined above are not available to us. BUT we’ve found under Company Maint -\> Modules -\> Production -\>Data Collection there is a check box for Calc Idle Time. This creates an entry automatically when a user logs out, that accounts for the difference in Clock In/Out vs Job Operation total time. If you are not using those modules and do not ‘calc idle time’ then perhaps you are seeing the rounding difference between clock in/out and job clocking entries. ---
**Author:** ![hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/user_avatar/www.epiusers.help/hmwillett/32/93207_2.png) [@hmwillett](https://www.epiusers.help/u/hmwillett)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/12 "2018-12-06T20:34:25Z")
We do have the Calc Idle Time enabled, but it usually creates a record for “Dead Time”–the code we have set up for that. That’s always been visible to us when the idle time is captured. That doesn’t seem like the case in this instance. ---
**Author:** ![Tim1](https://www.epiusers.help/user_avatar/www.epiusers.help/tim1/32/17954_2.png) [@Tim1](https://www.epiusers.help/u/Tim1)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/13 "2019-04-15T15:02:36Z")
I’m experiencing the same issue. Has anyone come with a solution? We have idle time set up. ---
**Author:** ![dgross](https://www.epiusers.help/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@dgross](https://www.epiusers.help/u/dgross)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 11:29am UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/14 "2024-04-03T11:29:56Z")
I know this is a old post but did anyone figure out a solution/cause? We are seeing an increase in differences between Payroll and Labor Hours since more of our users are using Kinetic Office MES to clock in and out of jobs…especially since the 2023.2 upgrade. Most differences are off by 1 minute but over the course of the day it can add up to several minutes difference which has to be adjusted. ---
**Author:** ![Ernie](https://www.epiusers.help/user_avatar/www.epiusers.help/ernie/32/69401_2.png) [@Ernie](https://www.epiusers.help/u/Ernie)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 1:07pm UTC](https://www.epiusers.help/t/payroll-and-labor-hours-differences/50053/15 "2024-04-03T13:07:51Z")
Yesterday a new user brought up a question I’ve never been asked before. When an operator clocks off a job in MES (or Data Collection, in browser-based Kinetic), what TIME value is stored on the LaborDtl record? Is it the time the click the “End Activity” button on the front screen or the time the click “OK” on the End Activity screen? I don’t know for sure, but I THINK it would be the “OK” on the End Activity screen, since that is when the LaborDtl record is written… but I could be wrong, and it may have changed at some point.