PO Promise Dates 6.1 - sales order....Customer Request Date...?

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Knowing our vendors do this as well....I would love a 3rd field of
this sort in the sales order (and job info). I want to use the Need
by date as the date I am promising based on current lead times, the
shipping date as the date it would need to ship by to be delivered
by need by....and then a 3rd date field as Customer Request Date -
so if they are requesting ealier than promised - production tries to
reach that date if possible. I don't want to modify the Need By
date to when they request due to 'late shipments' if not met.
Anyone have any ideas here????




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> I couldn't agree more with this process. It is exactly what we
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> "Promise Date is purely for vendor performance measurement. It has
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> Your Promise Dates should reflect the best date your vendor
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> Due Date).
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> As time passes and you get updates from the vendor that the date is
> either improving or slipping, re-adjust your Due Dates so the
planning
> system (and your people) are working with accurate info.
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> If you re-request an changed date, the Promise Date can be changed
based
> on the vendor's new (re)Promise commitment.
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> Following this paradigm gives your planning system & people
accurate
> info - and still leaves you with the ability to measure vendor on-
time
> performance (to Promise Date).
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> Rob Brown"
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Good Afternoon,

Our Purchasing group has begun using the Promise Date as the expected delivery date of materials. The problem we are running into is now nobody else can "see" in Vantage when the parts are really going to arrive. Are other companies handling PO's this way? If so how do you keep Production and Sales informed of when parts are really going to arrive? Or does your Purchase group update the due date with the "real" expected delivery date and keep the Promise Date when the originally said they would deliver? Time phase only shows the Due Date. We could have 2,000 or more lines on order at any given time so we are looking for something simple. We primarily buy parts to stock, not directly to jobs.

Liz




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Liz, we do not adjust our promise dates when we receive notices about delivery delays.
By showing the discrepancy between the dates, the supplier performance cubes can report on supplier delivery stats.

What is prompting the new usage of "Promise dates" specifically? Have they not been using Due Dates and are just trying to figure out a process?
Carey


To: vantage@yahoogroups.comFrom: ehahn@...: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:14:53 -0700Subject: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1




Good Afternoon,Our Purchasing group has begun using the Promise Date as the expected delivery date of materials. The problem we are running into is now nobody else can "see" in Vantage when the parts are really going to arrive. Are other companies handling PO's this way? If so how do you keep Production and Sales informed of when parts are really going to arrive? Or does your Purchase group update the due date with the "real" expected delivery date and keep the Promise Date when the originally said they would deliver? Time phase only shows the Due Date. We could have 2,000 or more lines on order at any given time so we are looking for something simple. We primarily buy parts to stock, not directly to jobs. Liz[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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Promise Date is purely for vendor performance measurement. It has no impact on planning whatsoever.

Your Promise Dates should reflect the best date your vendor confirmed they COULD do (and, on initial PO creation, should be the same as the Due Date).

As time passes and you get updates from the vendor that the date is either improving or slipping, re-adjust your Due Dates so the planning system (and your people) are working with accurate info.

If you re-request an changed date, the Promise Date can be changed based on the vendor's new (re)Promise commitment.

Following this paradigm gives your planning system & people accurate info - and still leaves you with the ability to measure vendor on-time performance (to Promise Date).

Rob Brown

--- On Fri, 4/25/08, Elizabeth Hahn <ehahn@...> wrote:
From: Elizabeth Hahn <ehahn@...>
Subject: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 25, 2008, 3:14 PM











Good Afternoon,



Our Purchasing group has begun using the Promise Date as the expected delivery date of materials. The problem we are running into is now nobody else can "see" in Vantage when the parts are really going to arrive. Are other companies handling PO's this way? If so how do you keep Production and Sales informed of when parts are really going to arrive? Or does your Purchase group update the due date with the "real" expected delivery date and keep the Promise Date when the originally said they would deliver? Time phase only shows the Due Date. We could have 2,000 or more lines on order at any given time so we are looking for something simple. We primarily buy parts to stock, not directly to jobs.



Liz





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Are there any reports that actually measure supplier performance based on promise dates?

Regards,

Andrew Best
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Brown" <robertb_versa@...>
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 4/26/08 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1

Promise Date is purely for vendor performance measurement. It has no impact on planning whatsoever.

Your Promise Dates should reflect the best date your vendor confirmed they COULD do (and, on initial PO creation, should be the same as the Due Date).

As time passes and you get updates from the vendor that the date is either improving or slipping, re-adjust your Due Dates so the planning system (and your people) are working with accurate info.

If you re-request an changed date, the Promise Date can be changed based on the vendor's new (re)Promise commitment.

Following this paradigm gives your planning system & people accurate info - and still leaves you with the ability to measure vendor on-time performance (to Promise Date).

Rob Brown

--- On Fri, 4/25/08, Elizabeth Hahn <ehahn@...> wrote:
From: Elizabeth Hahn <ehahn@...>
Subject: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 25, 2008, 3:14 PM











Good Afternoon,



Our Purchasing group has begun using the Promise Date as the expected delivery date of materials. The problem we are running into is now nobody else can "see" in Vantage when the parts are really going to arrive. Are other companies handling PO's this way? If so how do you keep Production and Sales informed of when parts are really going to arrive? Or does your Purchase group update the due date with the "real" expected delivery date and keep the Promise Date when the originally said they would deliver? Time phase only shows the Due Date. We could have 2,000 or more lines on order at any given time so we are looking for something simple. We primarily buy parts to stock, not directly to jobs.



Liz





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Don't know about 6.1 as we are on v8 404. V8 has numerous vendor quality trackers and reports that I don't intend to dig into until we are live and stable.

Every company has their own acceptable tolerance for PO on-time delivery (that may even differ within a company based upon the commodity being purchased). Similarly, how OTD comparitively ranks with % QC pass/fail & relative (vendor to vendor) cost/unit is company tolerance dependent so combinatory formulaic vendor ratings vary wildly company to company.

That being true, the pre-canned in stuff in v8 is likely very generic and will require customization.

Rob Brown

--- On Sat, 4/26/08, Andrew Best <abest@...> wrote:
From: Andrew Best <abest@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 1:50 PM











Are there any reports that actually measure supplier performance based on promise dates?



Regards,



Andrew Best

Sent from a cell phone



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From: "Robert Brown" <robertb_versa@ yahoo.com>

To: "vantage@yahoogroups .com" <vantage@yahoogroups .com>

Sent: 4/26/08 10:05 AM

Subject: Re: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1



Promise Date is purely for vendor performance measurement. It has no impact on planning whatsoever.



Your Promise Dates should reflect the best date your vendor confirmed they COULD do (and, on initial PO creation, should be the same as the Due Date).



As time passes and you get updates from the vendor that the date is either improving or slipping, re-adjust your Due Dates so the planning system (and your people) are working with accurate info.



If you re-request an changed date, the Promise Date can be changed based on the vendor's new (re)Promise commitment.



Following this paradigm gives your planning system & people accurate info - and still leaves you with the ability to measure vendor on-time performance (to Promise Date).



Rob Brown



--- On Fri, 4/25/08, Elizabeth Hahn <ehahn@guntert. com> wrote:

From: Elizabeth Hahn <ehahn@guntert. com>

Subject: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Friday, April 25, 2008, 3:14 PM



Good Afternoon,



Our Purchasing group has begun using the Promise Date as the expected delivery date of materials. The problem we are running into is now nobody else can "see" in Vantage when the parts are really going to arrive. Are other companies handling PO's this way? If so how do you keep Production and Sales informed of when parts are really going to arrive? Or does your Purchase group update the due date with the "real" expected delivery date and keep the Promise Date when the originally said they would deliver? Time phase only shows the Due Date. We could have 2,000 or more lines on order at any given time so we are looking for something simple. We primarily buy parts to stock, not directly to jobs.



Liz



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In v8, Vantage does offer pre-defined analytical cubes that are modeate in use.
You can adjust the threshold (# of days) > promise date = late/on-time etc.

Carey


To: vantage@yahoogroups.comFrom: abest@...: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:50:48 -0500Subject: RE: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1




Are there any reports that actually measure supplier performance based on promise dates?Regards,Andrew BestSent from a cell phone-----Original Message-----From: "Robert Brown" <robertb_versa@...>To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>Sent: 4/26/08 10:05 AMSubject: Re: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1Promise Date is purely for vendor performance measurement. It has no impact on planning whatsoever.Your Promise Dates should reflect the best date your vendor confirmed they COULD do (and, on initial PO creation, should be the same as the Due Date).As time passes and you get updates from the vendor that the date is either improving or slipping, re-adjust your Due Dates so the planning system (and your people) are working with accurate info.If you re-request an changed date, the Promise Date can be changed based on the vendor's new (re)Promise commitment.Following this paradigm gives your planning system & people accurate info - and still leaves you with the ability to measure vendor on-time performance (to Promise Date).Rob Brown--- On Fri, 4/25/08, Elizabeth Hahn <ehahn@...> wrote:From: Elizabeth Hahn <ehahn@...>Subject: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1To: vantage@yahoogroups.comDate: Friday, April 25, 2008, 3:14 PMGood Afternoon,Our Purchasing group has begun using the Promise Date as the expected delivery date of materials. The problem we are running into is now nobody else can "see" in Vantage when the parts are really going to arrive. Are other companies handling PO's this way? If so how do you keep Production and Sales informed of when parts are really going to arrive? Or does your Purchase group update the due date with the "real" expected delivery date and keep the Promise Date when the originally said they would deliver? Time phase only shows the Due Date. We could have 2,000 or more lines on order at any given time so we are looking for something simple. We primarily buy parts to stock, not directly to jobs. Liz[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]__________________________________________________________Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ






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Hi Andrew,

We have a Crystal report that compares delivery date to both the Promise and Due dates.

And thanks Rob for the nice summary, that is close to how the dates used to be maintained (and what the Crystal report was based on).

Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Best
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 10:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1



Are there any reports that actually measure supplier performance based on promise dates?

Regards,

Andrew Best
Sent from a cell phone

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Brown" < robertb_versa@ <mailto:robertb_versa%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com>
To: " vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com" < vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com>
Sent: 4/26/08 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1

Promise Date is purely for vendor performance measurement. It has no impact on planning whatsoever.

Your Promise Dates should reflect the best date your vendor confirmed they COULD do (and, on initial PO creation, should be the same as the Due Date).

As time passes and you get updates from the vendor that the date is either improving or slipping, re-adjust your Due Dates so the planning system (and your people) are working with accurate info.

If you re-request an changed date, the Promise Date can be changed based on the vendor's new (re)Promise commitment.

Following this paradigm gives your planning system & people accurate info - and still leaves you with the ability to measure vendor on-time performance (to Promise Date).

Rob Brown

--- On Fri, 4/25/08, Elizabeth Hahn < ehahn@guntert. <mailto:ehahn%40guntert.com> com> wrote:
From: Elizabeth Hahn < ehahn@guntert. <mailto:ehahn%40guntert.com> com>
Subject: [Vantage] PO Promise Dates 6.1
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Date: Friday, April 25, 2008, 3:14 PM

Good Afternoon,

Our Purchasing group has begun using the Promise Date as the expected delivery date of materials. The problem we are running into is now nobody else can "see" in Vantage when the parts are really going to arrive. Are other companies handling PO's this way? If so how do you keep Production and Sales informed of when parts are really going to arrive? Or does your Purchase group update the due date with the "real" expected delivery date and keep the Promise Date when the originally said they would deliver? Time phase only shows the Due Date. We could have 2,000 or more lines on order at any given time so we are looking for something simple. We primarily buy parts to stock, not directly to jobs.

Liz

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I couldn't agree more with this process. It is exactly what we do....







"Promise Date is purely for vendor performance measurement. It has no
impact on planning whatsoever.

Your Promise Dates should reflect the best date your vendor confirmed
they COULD do (and, on initial PO creation, should be the same as the
Due Date).

As time passes and you get updates from the vendor that the date is
either improving or slipping, re-adjust your Due Dates so the planning
system (and your people) are working with accurate info.

If you re-request an changed date, the Promise Date can be changed based
on the vendor's new (re)Promise commitment.

Following this paradigm gives your planning system & people accurate
info - and still leaves you with the ability to measure vendor on-time
performance (to Promise Date).

Rob Brown"







-Ben Belzer



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