Qty/Parent on Operation

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Vantage 8.03.406A




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From: Manasa Reddy <manasa@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:32:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Qty/Parent on Operation


Oh good, I thought I was going nuts!!!

I have the same problems in vista 8.0. What version are you on?



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@weldcoa. com
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


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From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of sgotschall
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] Qty/Parent on Operation

Vantage 8.03.406A

I started using the Qty/Parent field under Quantity Factors of the
operation on some of our parts. An example in the help file is an
operation to make a door on a car you would set this to 4 to make 4
doors. Makes sense.

The problem is when I look at a quote worksheet where I have two
identical parts, the only difference being the Qty/Parent operation on
one part is 1 and on the other it is 2, the materials for that
operation are not doubled as I expected. There is exactly the same
amount of material on both parts. The labor is different as I would
expect, but not the amount of materials. Am I missing something here?
Am I wrong to assume that changing the Qty/Parent on an operation will
change the amout of all materials under that operation?

Confused!

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Vantage 8.03.406A

I started using the Qty/Parent field under Quantity Factors of the
operation on some of our parts. An example in the help file is an
operation to make a door on a car you would set this to 4 to make 4
doors. Makes sense.

The problem is when I look at a quote worksheet where I have two
identical parts, the only difference being the Qty/Parent operation on
one part is 1 and on the other it is 2, the materials for that
operation are not doubled as I expected. There is exactly the same
amount of material on both parts. The labor is different as I would
expect, but not the amount of materials. Am I missing something here?
Am I wrong to assume that changing the Qty/Parent on an operation will
change the amout of all materials under that operation?

Confused!
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Oh good, I thought I was going nuts!!!

I have the same problems in vista 8.0. What version are you on?



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of sgotschall
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Qty/Parent on Operation



Vantage 8.03.406A

I started using the Qty/Parent field under Quantity Factors of the
operation on some of our parts. An example in the help file is an
operation to make a door on a car you would set this to 4 to make 4
doors. Makes sense.

The problem is when I look at a quote worksheet where I have two
identical parts, the only difference being the Qty/Parent operation on
one part is 1 and on the other it is 2, the materials for that
operation are not doubled as I expected. There is exactly the same
amount of material on both parts. The labor is different as I would
expect, but not the amount of materials. Am I missing something here?
Am I wrong to assume that changing the Qty/Parent on an operation will
change the amout of all materials under that operation?

Confused!






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Operations have no effect on material specs. The qty material per parent
is the total amount of material one unit of that part requires (plus any
scrap materials).



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of sgotschall
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Qty/Parent on Operation



Vantage 8.03.406A

I started using the Qty/Parent field under Quantity Factors of the
operation on some of our parts. An example in the help file is an
operation to make a door on a car you would set this to 4 to make 4
doors. Makes sense.

The problem is when I look at a quote worksheet where I have two
identical parts, the only difference being the Qty/Parent operation on
one part is 1 and on the other it is 2, the materials for that
operation are not doubled as I expected. There is exactly the same
amount of material on both parts. The labor is different as I would
expect, but not the amount of materials. Am I missing something here?
Am I wrong to assume that changing the Qty/Parent on an operation will
change the amout of all materials under that operation?

Confused!





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Two totally unrelated things (OP qty/parent and Materials Qty per) even though materials MUST be associated with an OP in Vantage.

For a change, I have to defend Epicor on this one as they shouldn't be related.

OP qty/parent (say of "4") is simply indicating this single OP must be done 4 times (possibly in parallel if the resources exist to do so).

It doesn't mean you will need 4 matched sets of the materials associated with that OP. HAD Epicor made this a dependent relationship they would have frankly made the feature much less useful. It is really just another tool to make your methods behave (when scheduled as job details within your resource/capacity model - rarely perfectly representing day to day reality) CLOSER to the reality of your actual process.

You could also model this as 4 absolutely identical (sequential or parallel) OPs with qty/parent of "1" in the method and resulting job details. That might better free you to set up Material requirement associations with each of the 4 OPs in whatever manner you wish. (Whatever the design & process actually require.)

Rob

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, sgotschall <sgotschall@...> wrote:
From: sgotschall <sgotschall@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Qty/Parent on Operation
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 5:14 PM











Vantage 8.03.406A



I started using the Qty/Parent field under Quantity Factors of the

operation on some of our parts. An example in the help file is an

operation to make a door on a car you would set this to 4 to make 4

doors. Makes sense.



The problem is when I look at a quote worksheet where I have two

identical parts, the only difference being the Qty/Parent operation on

one part is 1 and on the other it is 2, the materials for that

operation are not doubled as I expected. There is exactly the same

amount of material on both parts. The labor is different as I would

expect, but not the amount of materials. Am I missing something here?

Am I wrong to assume that changing the Qty/Parent on an operation will

change the amout of all materials under that operation?



Confused!