Regarding PC licensing

Thanks Ted, I knew there was something I was missing. Great call.

Troy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Kitch
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...


You can use both. The VNC server has a very small http server built in. It
normally runs on port 5800. Any browser can connect to VNC, as long as it
supports Java. There are also native viewers for Windows, Unix, Linux, Mac,
etc. There is even a plain Java Client for VNC. The website
http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ <http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/>
has a FAQ and loads of great info about VNC. It is an extremely flexible
product and you can't beat the price.

Ted Kitch
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc. [mailto:hiattmfg@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...

Is there an IE client for VNC? Or you mean if you have Internet access you
can connect using the VNC client connecting to the server's static IP?

John Mueske
IS Manager
Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc.
SBS 4.5 - Vantage 3.00.632


Any machine with Internet Explorer can view a workstation with VNC server
installed on it.


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Since we are on the conversation today about PcAnywhere.

PcAnywhere can be put to some interesting uses.

For one:

Setup one PC in your server room - Load -1- copy of MS-VB, -1- copy of
Crystal Reports, -1- copy each of other packages that are only used rarely
or infrequently. Let people connect across your internal LAN/WAN via
PcAnywhere to use these apps.

Why?

Add up the cost of 3 or 4 copies of VB or 3 or 4 copies of Crystal reports
... you could buy one PC to "Host" these applications for allot less money
then the cost of the software and from a maintenance perspective you have
only one PC to maintain.

Compared to the cost of Windows Terminal Server / CITRIX Metaframe
PcAnywhere and a few PC's are a VERY cheap alternative for low volume
situations.

We have 10 or 15 packages around here that are installed on 3-5 PC's each
and are only used rarely. 2 or 3 "Host" PC's and a bunch of PcAnywhere
licenses would save us a ton of money. I wish the thought would have
occurred to me several years ago.

This is, buy the way, perfectly legal. If you setup a WTS/Citrix box for
this application MS will tell you that you have to purchase a License for
each person who may use the box ---- NOT ---- for the number of concurrent
users. So if 30 people where setup to use a Citrix box where you expected
no more than 5 concurrent users you would need 30 licenses.

However, using PcAnywhere as a host application totally side steps this
logic.
Very good Todd.... excellent suggestion.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:17 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...


Since we are on the conversation today about PcAnywhere.

PcAnywhere can be put to some interesting uses.

For one:

Setup one PC in your server room - Load -1- copy of MS-VB, -1- copy of
Crystal Reports, -1- copy each of other packages that are only used rarely
or infrequently. Let people connect across your internal LAN/WAN via
PcAnywhere to use these apps.

Why?

Add up the cost of 3 or 4 copies of VB or 3 or 4 copies of Crystal reports
... you could buy one PC to "Host" these applications for allot less money
then the cost of the software and from a maintenance perspective you have
only one PC to maintain.

Compared to the cost of Windows Terminal Server / CITRIX Metaframe
PcAnywhere and a few PC's are a VERY cheap alternative for low volume
situations.

We have 10 or 15 packages around here that are installed on 3-5 PC's each
and are only used rarely. 2 or 3 "Host" PC's and a bunch of PcAnywhere
licenses would save us a ton of money. I wish the thought would have
occurred to me several years ago.

This is, buy the way, perfectly legal. If you setup a WTS/Citrix box for
this application MS will tell you that you have to purchase a License for
each person who may use the box ---- NOT ---- for the number of concurrent
users. So if 30 people where setup to use a Citrix box where you expected
no more than 5 concurrent users you would need 30 licenses.

However, using PcAnywhere as a host application totally side steps this
logic.


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
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This is a great idea Todd, I did something similar to this with VNC. We had
a statistical analysis package that cost about 10k. We had three engineers
that swore up and down that they each needed this package or life, as we
know it, would end. I purchased one PC and installed the package there.
Ran the VNC server on that computer and gave them all access to that
computer. In the 3 years that I had that package only once did more than
one person try to use it. It saved us about 18k after buying the computer.
Management was thrilled.

Ted Kitch
ted@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:17 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...

Since we are on the conversation today about PcAnywhere.

PcAnywhere can be put to some interesting uses.

For one:

Setup one PC in your server room - Load -1- copy of MS-VB, -1- copy of
Crystal Reports, -1- copy each of other packages that are only used rarely
or infrequently. Let people connect across your internal LAN/WAN via
PcAnywhere to use these apps.

Why?

Add up the cost of 3 or 4 copies of VB or 3 or 4 copies of Crystal reports
... you could buy one PC to "Host" these applications for allot less money
then the cost of the software and from a maintenance perspective you have
only one PC to maintain.

Compared to the cost of Windows Terminal Server / CITRIX Metaframe
PcAnywhere and a few PC's are a VERY cheap alternative for low volume
situations.

We have 10 or 15 packages around here that are installed on 3-5 PC's each
and are only used rarely. 2 or 3 "Host" PC's and a bunch of PcAnywhere
licenses would save us a ton of money. I wish the thought would have
occurred to me several years ago.

This is, buy the way, perfectly legal. If you setup a WTS/Citrix box for
this application MS will tell you that you have to purchase a License for
each person who may use the box ---- NOT ---- for the number of concurrent
users. So if 30 people where setup to use a Citrix box where you expected
no more than 5 concurrent users you would need 30 licenses.

However, using PcAnywhere as a host application totally side steps this
logic.




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At 04:49 PM 4/4/2001 , you wrote:
>Ran the VNC server on that computer and gave them all access to that
>computer. In the 3 years that I had that package only once did more than
>one person try to use it. It saved us about 18k after buying the computer.

I've been considering the same thing here. We have a software package for
processing automotive industry PPAPs (MPACT from Integral Solutions.)

A dozen people here use it, as new parts go through the engineering
process. But generally only ONE guy at a time is in it. Couple years ago,
they sold us a "2 seat floating license" to cover this at ~$1500/per. Now
they're going to renege on that, and change it to a per-PC scheme next time
they try to collect annual maintenance. I'm hoping the "dedicated host
with PCAW" argument will sway them. (gonna screw us? Ok, we'll only be
needing ONE unit of annual support...)

-Wayne
One question, I have used PCAnywhere before modem to modem, but not on a
network. My corp. financial person is asking for access to Vantage. Could
this be done with PCAW across our wide area network the same as Todd has
suggested. It certainly would satisfy an intermittent need without all the
Citrix cost.

Warren R. Eddy
Information Services Manager
National Tube Form, LLC
Phone: (219) 478-2363 ext 217
Fax: (219) 478-1043
Warren.Eddy@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Heisey, Lois [mailto:lheisey@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:29 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...

Very good Todd.... excellent suggestion.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:17 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...


Since we are on the conversation today about PcAnywhere.

PcAnywhere can be put to some interesting uses.

For one:

Setup one PC in your server room - Load -1- copy of MS-VB, -1- copy of
Crystal Reports, -1- copy each of other packages that are only used rarely
or infrequently. Let people connect across your internal LAN/WAN via
PcAnywhere to use these apps.

Why?

Add up the cost of 3 or 4 copies of VB or 3 or 4 copies of Crystal reports
... you could buy one PC to "Host" these applications for allot less money
then the cost of the software and from a maintenance perspective you have
only one PC to maintain.

Compared to the cost of Windows Terminal Server / CITRIX Metaframe
PcAnywhere and a few PC's are a VERY cheap alternative for low volume
situations.

We have 10 or 15 packages around here that are installed on 3-5 PC's each
and are only used rarely. 2 or 3 "Host" PC's and a bunch of PcAnywhere
licenses would save us a ton of money. I wish the thought would have
occurred to me several years ago.

This is, buy the way, perfectly legal. If you setup a WTS/Citrix box for
this application MS will tell you that you have to purchase a License for
each person who may use the box ---- NOT ---- for the number of concurrent
users. So if 30 people where setup to use a Citrix box where you expected
no more than 5 concurrent users you would need 30 licenses.

However, using PcAnywhere as a host application totally side steps this
logic.


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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
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Yes, ... Use the "Network" connect option ... Give the destination ( host )
PC a fixed IP address and connect via that.

Works great without the Citrix hassle.

We use PcAnywhere to control all of our servers and all remote PC's via WAN.
I can open a PcAnywhere session to each of my 3 main servers and to several
clients at the same time. It can be a handy way of watching the CPU
utilization on the client and the server at the same time from my desk
without putting on my jogging suit.

Just remember to setup security within PcAnywhere so that only specified
people can connect to various boxes.

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Eddy, Warren [mailto:warren.eddy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:23 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...


One question, I have used PCAnywhere before modem to modem, but not on a
network. My corp. financial person is asking for access to Vantage. Could
this be done with PCAW across our wide area network the same as Todd has
suggested. It certainly would satisfy an intermittent need without all the
Citrix cost.

Warren R. Eddy
Information Services Manager
National Tube Form, LLC
Phone: (219) 478-2363 ext 217
Fax: (219) 478-1043
Warren.Eddy@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Heisey, Lois [mailto:lheisey@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:29 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...

Very good Todd.... excellent suggestion.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:17 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...


Since we are on the conversation today about PcAnywhere.

PcAnywhere can be put to some interesting uses.

For one:

Setup one PC in your server room - Load -1- copy of MS-VB, -1- copy of
Crystal Reports, -1- copy each of other packages that are only used rarely
or infrequently. Let people connect across your internal LAN/WAN via
PcAnywhere to use these apps.

Why?

Add up the cost of 3 or 4 copies of VB or 3 or 4 copies of Crystal reports
... you could buy one PC to "Host" these applications for allot less money
then the cost of the software and from a maintenance perspective you have
only one PC to maintain.

Compared to the cost of Windows Terminal Server / CITRIX Metaframe
PcAnywhere and a few PC's are a VERY cheap alternative for low volume
situations.

We have 10 or 15 packages around here that are installed on 3-5 PC's each
and are only used rarely. 2 or 3 "Host" PC's and a bunch of PcAnywhere
licenses would save us a ton of money. I wish the thought would have
occurred to me several years ago.

This is, buy the way, perfectly legal. If you setup a WTS/Citrix box for
this application MS will tell you that you have to purchase a License for
each person who may use the box ---- NOT ---- for the number of concurrent
users. So if 30 people where setup to use a Citrix box where you expected
no more than 5 concurrent users you would need 30 licenses.

However, using PcAnywhere as a host application totally side steps this
logic.


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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It's a beautiful thing !

If you don't truly need concurrent access ---- WHY --- pay for it
?????????????????????

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...


At 04:49 PM 4/4/2001 , you wrote:
>Ran the VNC server on that computer and gave them all access to that
>computer. In the 3 years that I had that package only once did more than
>one person try to use it. It saved us about 18k after buying the computer.

I've been considering the same thing here. We have a software package for
processing automotive industry PPAPs (MPACT from Integral Solutions.)

A dozen people here use it, as new parts go through the engineering
process. But generally only ONE guy at a time is in it. Couple years ago,
they sold us a "2 seat floating license" to cover this at ~$1500/per. Now
they're going to renege on that, and change it to a per-PC scheme next time
they try to collect annual maintenance. I'm hoping the "dedicated host
with PCAW" argument will sway them. (gonna screw us? Ok, we'll only be
needing ONE unit of annual support...)

-Wayne




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We use VNC all the time to access the Vantage server (which is upstairs in a closet), and to access the Crystal Server running Crystal Enterprise. Like Todd said, this allows use of one copy of Crystal, and all the reports are on that machine as well. If I need to modify a report, I can 'VNC' to the Crystal server, make the change, and never leave my workstation. Any machine with Internet Explorer can view a workstation with VNC server installed on it. It is password protected, and works through the network. And very fast (on a network). We don't use compression over the network, only when dialing in through the internet.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Anderson
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...


Since we are on the conversation today about PcAnywhere.

PcAnywhere can be put to some interesting uses.

For one:

Setup one PC in your server room - Load -1- copy of MS-VB, -1- copy of
Crystal Reports, -1- copy each of other packages that are only used rarely
or infrequently. Let people connect across your internal LAN/WAN via
PcAnywhere to use these apps.

Why?

Add up the cost of 3 or 4 copies of VB or 3 or 4 copies of Crystal reports
... you could buy one PC to "Host" these applications for allot less money
then the cost of the software and from a maintenance perspective you have
only one PC to maintain.

Compared to the cost of Windows Terminal Server / CITRIX Metaframe
PcAnywhere and a few PC's are a VERY cheap alternative for low volume
situations.

We have 10 or 15 packages around here that are installed on 3-5 PC's each
and are only used rarely. 2 or 3 "Host" PC's and a bunch of PcAnywhere
licenses would save us a ton of money. I wish the thought would have
occurred to me several years ago.

This is, buy the way, perfectly legal. If you setup a WTS/Citrix box for
this application MS will tell you that you have to purchase a License for
each person who may use the box ---- NOT ---- for the number of concurrent
users. So if 30 people where setup to use a Citrix box where you expected
no more than 5 concurrent users you would need 30 licenses.

However, using PcAnywhere as a host application totally side steps this
logic.

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Is there an IE client for VNC? Or you mean if you have Internet access you can connect using the VNC client connecting to the server's static IP?

John Mueske
IS Manager
Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc.
SBS 4.5 - Vantage 3.00.632


Any machine with Internet Explorer can view a workstation with VNC server installed on it.


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Within your LAN, any PC with Internet Explorer can view a VNC workstation (it uses IE's activex or something, I don't know the technology) without going over the internet. You just type in the line: "http://workstation_name: portaddress". It also works over the internet using an IP address.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics


----- Original Message -----
From: Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc.
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...


Is there an IE client for VNC? Or you mean if you have Internet access you can connect using the VNC client connecting to the server's static IP?

John Mueske
IS Manager
Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc.
SBS 4.5 - Vantage 3.00.632


Any machine with Internet Explorer can view a workstation with VNC server installed on it.


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You can use both. The VNC server has a very small http server built in. It
normally runs on port 5800. Any browser can connect to VNC, as long as it
supports Java. There are also native viewers for Windows, Unix, Linux, Mac,
etc. There is even a plain Java Client for VNC. The website
http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ <http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/>
has a FAQ and loads of great info about VNC. It is an extremely flexible
product and you can't beat the price.

Ted Kitch
ted@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc. [mailto:hiattmfg@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:15 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Regarding PC licensing ...

Is there an IE client for VNC? Or you mean if you have Internet access you
can connect using the VNC client connecting to the server's static IP?

John Mueske
IS Manager
Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc.
SBS 4.5 - Vantage 3.00.632


Any machine with Internet Explorer can view a workstation with VNC server
installed on it.


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