Replacing Vantage Server

Jasper -

It should work just as it does for the print-server, in that it will
respond to the alias. Of course, this assumes you made the
registry-changes and can effectively map a drive to the alias-name. The
client-install asks for the name of the server so the client can
establish the connection to the server; if the server responds, the
client should be happy and not really care what the *real* name of the
server is.

Let us all know how it goes.
--Ari
________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server



Ari,

Just started playing with the DNS alias on our printer server and it
works nicely.

However, I have a question about how it would work with Vantage. If I
mapped a drive to Vantage using the DNS alias,
doesn't the name of the computer play a part in the client installation.
As I recall, it ask for the computer name of the vantage server.

Would that be an issue?

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

Jasper, you could IF:

You rename the existing server and then create a DNS-alias with the old
name. Renaming the existing server will force a reboot, of course, so
you'd have to do it during a regular maintenance window. You would also
want to implement the registry-change before renaming the machine,
because the registry-change requires a restart of the "Server" service,
which will effectively do the same thing as a reboot, so you might as
well consolidate reboots...

I'd try playing around with DNS-aliases for something other than your
production Vantage server before implementing. Also - a PING test will
not suffice - a server will respond to an alias-PING as soon as the
alias (C-name) is created. The acid test is to try connecting to the
server by using its alias in a UNC path (or mapping a drive).

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>'
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

Ari,

That's a very cleaver idea. If I wanted to do this for our new server,
can I start doing this even though the current clients are not pointed
to a DNS alias?

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
]On
Behalf Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

There is what perhaps may be a more desirable way to accomplish this
task:

Instead of using literal names for the servers, I have begun to use
DNS-aliases whenever possible, which will allow me in the future to swap
machines at will with very little thought given to how it will affect
users.

Basically, say we have a server named "SERVER-01.yourdomain.local"
Instead of mapping drive X: to \\server-01\epicor, I create a DNS-alias
called "VANTAGE.yourdomain.local" which points to "SERVER-01." Then the
drive is mapped to \\vantage\epicor

If I ever need to replace a server, I can simply re-create the DNS-alias
pointing to a different actual host-name, and nobody will ever know.
Best of all, both servers can remain online the entire time!

There is a registry tweak that needs to be implemented on the target
server(s) in order to allow responses to a DNS-alias (because Windows,
despite Active-Directory, is still a NetBIOS system). See this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308> >
< http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308> >>
< http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308> >
< http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308> >> >

I've tried this successfully with Vantage 6.1 and 8.03.x BUT it doesn't
work with Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition, because the 64-bit edition
doesn't support use of the aliases.

Good luck - let me know if you need more detail.

--Ari Footlik
IT Manager
R. A. Zweig, Inc
Glenview, IL

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

It has been awhile but I replaced our email server like that.

If I remember correctly, Before I took the server offline I made sure it
was
only a Member Server in the domain (your Vantage server should only be a
member server). After I took the server offline I then removed the
Server
from AD and all its DNS Entries. When I brought the new one online, I
made
it part of the domain as a member server, check AD to make sure that it
was,
and made sure DNS had the new entries for the new server. Never touched
a
client computer.

Scott Litzau, MCP
Olympus Flag & Banner
Information Systems Manager
scott.litzau@... <mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
P: 414-365-9732
F: 414-355-1931

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
Behalf Of
Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:37 PM
To: Vantage Groups (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

I wanted to see if anybody has every tried this.

I need to replace our Vantage server. What I would like to do is setup
this
server offline with the same computer name and IP address. Then I would
remove the old server and add this server to the network.

Since each client workstation installation is pointing to a mapped
drive,
would it still work without having to go to each workstation and
reinstall
the software?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jasper

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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >> >>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >> >>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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I wanted to see if anybody has every tried this.

I need to replace our Vantage server. What I would like to do is setup this server offline with the same computer name and IP address. Then I would remove the old server and add this server to the network.

Since each client workstation installation is pointing to a mapped drive, would it still work without having to go to each workstation and reinstall the software?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jasper



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Trying it as we speak...I'll let ya know how it goes...

Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:37 PM
To: Vantage Groups (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server



I wanted to see if anybody has every tried this.

I need to replace our Vantage server. What I would like to do is setup
this server offline with the same computer name and IP address. Then I
would remove the old server and add this server to the network.

Since each client workstation installation is pointing to a mapped
drive, would it still work without having to go to each workstation and
reinstall the software?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jasper

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
It has been awhile but I replaced our email server like that.

If I remember correctly, Before I took the server offline I made sure it was
only a Member Server in the domain (your Vantage server should only be a
member server). After I took the server offline I then removed the Server
from AD and all its DNS Entries. When I brought the new one online, I made
it part of the domain as a member server, check AD to make sure that it was,
and made sure DNS had the new entries for the new server. Never touched a
client computer.

Scott Litzau, MCP
Olympus Flag & Banner
Information Systems Manager
scott.litzau@...
P: 414-365-9732
F: 414-355-1931


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:37 PM
To: Vantage Groups (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

I wanted to see if anybody has every tried this.

I need to replace our Vantage server. What I would like to do is setup this
server offline with the same computer name and IP address. Then I would
remove the old server and add this server to the network.

Since each client workstation installation is pointing to a mapped drive,
would it still work without having to go to each workstation and reinstall
the software?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jasper



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
There is what perhaps may be a more desirable way to accomplish this
task:

Instead of using literal names for the servers, I have begun to use
DNS-aliases whenever possible, which will allow me in the future to swap
machines at will with very little thought given to how it will affect
users.

Basically, say we have a server named "SERVER-01.yourdomain.local"
Instead of mapping drive X: to \\server-01\epicor, I create a DNS-alias
called "VANTAGE.yourdomain.local" which points to "SERVER-01." Then the
drive is mapped to \\vantage\epicor

If I ever need to replace a server, I can simply re-create the DNS-alias
pointing to a different actual host-name, and nobody will ever know.
Best of all, both servers can remain online the entire time!

There is a registry tweak that needs to be implemented on the target
server(s) in order to allow responses to a DNS-alias (because Windows,
despite Active-Directory, is still a NetBIOS system). See this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308

I've tried this successfully with Vantage 6.1 and 8.03.x BUT it doesn't
work with Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition, because the 64-bit edition
doesn't support use of the aliases.

Good luck - let me know if you need more detail.

--Ari Footlik
IT Manager
R. A. Zweig, Inc
Glenview, IL

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server



It has been awhile but I replaced our email server like that.

If I remember correctly, Before I took the server offline I made sure it
was
only a Member Server in the domain (your Vantage server should only be a
member server). After I took the server offline I then removed the
Server
from AD and all its DNS Entries. When I brought the new one online, I
made
it part of the domain as a member server, check AD to make sure that it
was,
and made sure DNS had the new entries for the new server. Never touched
a
client computer.

Scott Litzau, MCP
Olympus Flag & Banner
Information Systems Manager
scott.litzau@... <mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
P: 414-365-9732
F: 414-355-1931

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:37 PM
To: Vantage Groups (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

I wanted to see if anybody has every tried this.

I need to replace our Vantage server. What I would like to do is setup
this
server offline with the same computer name and IP address. Then I would
remove the old server and add this server to the network.

Since each client workstation installation is pointing to a mapped
drive,
would it still work without having to go to each workstation and
reinstall
the software?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jasper

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
Yahoo! Groups Links






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Ari,

That's a very cleaver idea. If I wanted to do this for our new server, can I start doing this even though the current clients are not pointed to a DNS alias?

Thanks,
Jasper



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server



There is what perhaps may be a more desirable way to accomplish this
task:

Instead of using literal names for the servers, I have begun to use
DNS-aliases whenever possible, which will allow me in the future to swap
machines at will with very little thought given to how it will affect
users.

Basically, say we have a server named "SERVER-01.yourdomain.local"
Instead of mapping drive X: to \\server-01\epicor, I create a DNS-alias
called "VANTAGE.yourdomain.local" which points to "SERVER-01." Then the
drive is mapped to \\vantage\epicor

If I ever need to replace a server, I can simply re-create the DNS-alias
pointing to a different actual host-name, and nobody will ever know.
Best of all, both servers can remain online the entire time!

There is a registry tweak that needs to be implemented on the target
server(s) in order to allow responses to a DNS-alias (because Windows,
despite Active-Directory, is still a NetBIOS system). See this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>

I've tried this successfully with Vantage 6.1 and 8.03.x BUT it doesn't
work with Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition, because the 64-bit edition
doesn't support use of the aliases.

Good luck - let me know if you need more detail.

--Ari Footlik
IT Manager
R. A. Zweig, Inc
Glenview, IL

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

It has been awhile but I replaced our email server like that.

If I remember correctly, Before I took the server offline I made sure it
was
only a Member Server in the domain (your Vantage server should only be a
member server). After I took the server offline I then removed the
Server
from AD and all its DNS Entries. When I brought the new one online, I
made
it part of the domain as a member server, check AD to make sure that it
was,
and made sure DNS had the new entries for the new server. Never touched
a
client computer.

Scott Litzau, MCP
Olympus Flag & Banner
Information Systems Manager
scott.litzau@...<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com> <mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
P: 414-365-9732
F: 414-355-1931

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:37 PM
To: Vantage Groups (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

I wanted to see if anybody has every tried this.

I need to replace our Vantage server. What I would like to do is setup
this
server offline with the same computer name and IP address. Then I would
remove the old server and add this server to the network.

Since each client workstation installation is pointing to a mapped
drive,
would it still work without having to go to each workstation and
reinstall
the software?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jasper

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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Jasper, you could IF:

You rename the existing server and then create a DNS-alias with the old
name. Renaming the existing server will force a reboot, of course, so
you'd have to do it during a regular maintenance window. You would also
want to implement the registry-change before renaming the machine,
because the registry-change requires a restart of the "Server" service,
which will effectively do the same thing as a reboot, so you might as
well consolidate reboots...

I'd try playing around with DNS-aliases for something other than your
production Vantage server before implementing. Also - a PING test will
not suffice - a server will respond to an alias-PING as soon as the
alias (C-name) is created. The acid test is to try connecting to the
server by using its alias in a UNC path (or mapping a drive).

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server



Ari,

That's a very cleaver idea. If I wanted to do this for our new server,
can I start doing this even though the current clients are not pointed
to a DNS alias?

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

There is what perhaps may be a more desirable way to accomplish this
task:

Instead of using literal names for the servers, I have begun to use
DNS-aliases whenever possible, which will allow me in the future to swap
machines at will with very little thought given to how it will affect
users.

Basically, say we have a server named "SERVER-01.yourdomain.local"
Instead of mapping drive X: to \\server-01\epicor, I create a DNS-alias
called "VANTAGE.yourdomain.local" which points to "SERVER-01." Then the
drive is mapped to \\vantage\epicor

If I ever need to replace a server, I can simply re-create the DNS-alias
pointing to a different actual host-name, and nobody will ever know.
Best of all, both servers can remain online the entire time!

There is a registry tweak that needs to be implemented on the target
server(s) in order to allow responses to a DNS-alias (because Windows,
despite Active-Directory, is still a NetBIOS system). See this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308> >

I've tried this successfully with Vantage 6.1 and 8.03.x BUT it doesn't
work with Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition, because the 64-bit edition
doesn't support use of the aliases.

Good luck - let me know if you need more detail.

--Ari Footlik
IT Manager
R. A. Zweig, Inc
Glenview, IL

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

It has been awhile but I replaced our email server like that.

If I remember correctly, Before I took the server offline I made sure it
was
only a Member Server in the domain (your Vantage server should only be a
member server). After I took the server offline I then removed the
Server
from AD and all its DNS Entries. When I brought the new one online, I
made
it part of the domain as a member server, check AD to make sure that it
was,
and made sure DNS had the new entries for the new server. Never touched
a
client computer.

Scott Litzau, MCP
Olympus Flag & Banner
Information Systems Manager
scott.litzau@... <mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
P: 414-365-9732
F: 414-355-1931

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
Behalf Of
Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:37 PM
To: Vantage Groups (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

I wanted to see if anybody has every tried this.

I need to replace our Vantage server. What I would like to do is setup
this
server offline with the same computer name and IP address. Then I would
remove the old server and add this server to the network.

Since each client workstation installation is pointing to a mapped
drive,
would it still work without having to go to each workstation and
reinstall
the software?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jasper

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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >
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Ari,

Just started playing with the DNS alias on our printer server and it works nicely.

However, I have a question about how it would work with Vantage. If I mapped a drive to Vantage using the DNS alias,
doesn't the name of the computer play a part in the client installation. As I recall, it ask for the computer name of the vantage server.

Would that be an issue?

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server



Jasper, you could IF:

You rename the existing server and then create a DNS-alias with the old
name. Renaming the existing server will force a reboot, of course, so
you'd have to do it during a regular maintenance window. You would also
want to implement the registry-change before renaming the machine,
because the registry-change requires a restart of the "Server" service,
which will effectively do the same thing as a reboot, so you might as
well consolidate reboots...

I'd try playing around with DNS-aliases for something other than your
production Vantage server before implementing. Also - a PING test will
not suffice - a server will respond to an alias-PING as soon as the
alias (C-name) is created. The acid test is to try connecting to the
server by using its alias in a UNC path (or mapping a drive).

--Ari

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:%27vantage%40yahoogroups.com>'
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

Ari,

That's a very cleaver idea. If I wanted to do this for our new server,
can I start doing this even though the current clients are not pointed
to a DNS alias?

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

There is what perhaps may be a more desirable way to accomplish this
task:

Instead of using literal names for the servers, I have begun to use
DNS-aliases whenever possible, which will allow me in the future to swap
machines at will with very little thought given to how it will affect
users.

Basically, say we have a server named "SERVER-01.yourdomain.local"
Instead of mapping drive X: to \\server-01\epicor, I create a DNS-alias
called "VANTAGE.yourdomain.local" which points to "SERVER-01." Then the
drive is mapped to \\vantage\epicor

If I ever need to replace a server, I can simply re-create the DNS-alias
pointing to a different actual host-name, and nobody will ever know.
Best of all, both servers can remain online the entire time!

There is a registry tweak that needs to be implemented on the target
server(s) in order to allow responses to a DNS-alias (because Windows,
despite Active-Directory, is still a NetBIOS system). See this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>
< http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>>
< http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>
< http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281308>> >

I've tried this successfully with Vantage 6.1 and 8.03.x BUT it doesn't
work with Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition, because the 64-bit edition
doesn't support use of the aliases.

Good luck - let me know if you need more detail.

--Ari Footlik
IT Manager
R. A. Zweig, Inc
Glenview, IL

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

It has been awhile but I replaced our email server like that.

If I remember correctly, Before I took the server offline I made sure it
was
only a Member Server in the domain (your Vantage server should only be a
member server). After I took the server offline I then removed the
Server
from AD and all its DNS Entries. When I brought the new one online, I
made
it part of the domain as a member server, check AD to make sure that it
was,
and made sure DNS had the new entries for the new server. Never touched
a
client computer.

Scott Litzau, MCP
Olympus Flag & Banner
Information Systems Manager
scott.litzau@...<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com> <mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
<mailto:scott.litzau%40olympus-flag.com>
P: 414-365-9732
F: 414-355-1931

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
Behalf Of
Jasper Recto
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:37 PM
To: Vantage Groups (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Replacing Vantage Server

I wanted to see if anybody has every tried this.

I need to replace our Vantage server. What I would like to do is setup
this
server offline with the same computer name and IP address. Then I would
remove the old server and add this server to the network.

Since each client workstation installation is pointing to a mapped
drive,
would it still work without having to go to each workstation and
reinstall
the software?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jasper

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>> >
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>> >>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>> >
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< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>> >>
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>>
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