SAP to Acquire Business Objects

Actually the market tier that SAP, MS, Oracle are in is saturated
leaving them no choice but to look at other markets. Over the last few
years I have been contacted by SAP sales a half dozen times. They have
a scaled down ERP product which is targeted for small manufacturing
companies. They were looking at providing an alternative to Vantage.



Mark



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:47 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SAP to Acquire Business Objects



Competition (and Justice Department anti-trust investigators' zeal) make
for strange bedfellows.

From Epicor's perspective, is it really a bad thing if Business Objects
is owned by SAP?

Doesn't that just entice Microsoft to attempt to work with Epicor more
closely for Office app integration? (Making Epicor a more attractive
potential acquisition in the future?)

Doesn't maintaining the Crystal Reports support in Epicor products give
SAP a similar "in" to Epicor's inner workings (and it's growing, large
user base - also as a potential future acquisition)?

None of these companies are (yet) significantly competing with each
other in their specific business areas. It is a win/win for all.

It isn't like Epicor is Oracle (which DOES compete within the same tier
markets as both SAP & MS).





Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...
<mailto:caugheyt%40harveyvogel.com> > wrote:
I thought of this too. Figured it would be a topic of conversation at
Perspectives for sure. Can Epicor support a competitor by depending on
Crystal still as the main report tool? Is there any alternative that is
better?
-Todd C.

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Subject: [Vantage] SAP to Acquire Business Objects

It seems a little slow today so I thought I would open this up for
discussion. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts, comments on
SAPs acquisition of Business Objects. Especially in regards to how this
could impact the Vantage user base going forward.

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It seems a little slow today so I thought I would open this up for
discussion. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts, comments on
SAPs acquisition of Business Objects. Especially in regards to how this
could impact the Vantage user base going forward.

Mike Lowe
Corporate I.T. Manager
Connor Manufacturing Services
Direct: (949) 713-3328
Fax: (949) 666-5268
Cell: (949) 973-7621
Skype: Mike.Lowe
Email: MLowe@... <mailto:MLowe@...>
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I thought of this too. Figured it would be a topic of conversation at Perspectives for sure. Can Epicor support a competitor by depending on Crystal still as the main report tool? Is there any alternative that is better?
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Lowe
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] SAP to Acquire Business Objects


It seems a little slow today so I thought I would open this up for
discussion. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts, comments on
SAPs acquisition of Business Objects. Especially in regards to how this
could impact the Vantage user base going forward.

Mike Lowe
Corporate I.T. Manager
Connor Manufacturing Services
Direct: (949) 713-3328
Fax: (949) 666-5268
Cell: (949) 973-7621
Skype: Mike.Lowe
Email: MLowe@...<mailto:MLowe%40connorms.com> <mailto:MLowe@...<mailto:MLowe%40connorms.com>>
Web: www.connorms.com <http://www.connorms.com/>


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> ... Can Epicor support a competitor by depending on
> Crystal still as the main report tool? Is there any alternative that is
> better?

Well, Business Objects is more than just Crystal. If Epicor depended on
Business Objects instead of CorVu for its BI then I would think it might be a
bigger deal. I can't speak to any alternatives but I would assume that Office
2007 can consume and report ADO.Net data files, which is what Vantage presents
to Crystal today. I'd hate to make the user base to rewrite their reports a
third time (RB - > Crystal -> ???) but it's probably doable if it became
necessary.

Mark W.
Competition (and Justice Department anti-trust investigators' zeal) make for strange bedfellows.

From Epicor's perspective, is it really a bad thing if Business Objects is owned by SAP?

Doesn't that just entice Microsoft to attempt to work with Epicor more closely for Office app integration? (Making Epicor a more attractive potential acquisition in the future?)

Doesn't maintaining the Crystal Reports support in Epicor products give SAP a similar "in" to Epicor's inner workings (and it's growing, large user base - also as a potential future acquisition)?

None of these companies are (yet) significantly competing with each other in their specific business areas. It is a win/win for all.

It isn't like Epicor is Oracle (which DOES compete within the same tier markets as both SAP & MS).





Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
I thought of this too. Figured it would be a topic of conversation at Perspectives for sure. Can Epicor support a competitor by depending on Crystal still as the main report tool? Is there any alternative that is better?
-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Lowe
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] SAP to Acquire Business Objects

It seems a little slow today so I thought I would open this up for
discussion. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts, comments on
SAPs acquisition of Business Objects. Especially in regards to how this
could impact the Vantage user base going forward.

Mike Lowe
Corporate I.T. Manager
Connor Manufacturing Services
Direct: (949) 713-3328
Fax: (949) 666-5268
Cell: (949) 973-7621
Skype: Mike.Lowe
Email: MLowe@...<mailto:MLowe%40connorms.com> <mailto:MLowe@...<mailto:MLowe%40connorms.com>>
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Hi,

I don't think this will be too much of an issue in the short to mid
term. The vast majority of erp systems use crystal in some shape as
there main reporting tool. A significant amount of systems SAP
doesn't even want to compete against. Maybe epicor will cosy up with
microsoft on the reporting front?

SAP purchased Business Objects to increase revenue and build in the
high end analsysis, it missed a trick in its war with Oracle. Any
further acquistions will probably include linkage to crystal. But it
is still a bit strange considering they acquired outlooksoft etc
previously. I think SAP will be on the hunt for midmarket ERP authors.

One option is that it may even spin out the standard reporting such
as crystal reports and concentrate on the BI/BPM.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:
>
> I thought of this too. Figured it would be a topic of conversation
at Perspectives for sure. Can Epicor support a competitor by
depending on Crystal still as the main report tool? Is there any
alternative that is better?
> -Todd C.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Lowe
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:10 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] SAP to Acquire Business Objects
>
>
> It seems a little slow today so I thought I would open this up for
> discussion. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts, comments on
> SAPs acquisition of Business Objects. Especially in regards to how
this
> could impact the Vantage user base going forward.
>
> Mike Lowe
> Corporate I.T. Manager
> Connor Manufacturing Services
> Direct: (949) 713-3328
> Fax: (949) 666-5268
> Cell: (949) 973-7621
> Skype: Mike.Lowe
> Email: MLowe@...<mailto:MLowe%40connorms.com>
<mailto:MLowe@...<mailto:MLowe%40connorms.com>>
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